dajabr
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Fri Nov-21-03 12:09 PM
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"Howard Dean is the lapdog of the militant homosexuals" |
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Edited on Fri Nov-21-03 12:11 PM by dajabr
"Dick Gephart is their valet" -Randall Terry, founder of Operation Rescue, and President of the Society for Truth and Justice, with activists from Iowa and Nebraska. More: http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=109-11212003Edit to add: :puke:
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Egnever
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Fri Nov-21-03 12:10 PM
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Some guy named Howard Dean stole my lunch money
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Fri Nov-21-03 12:16 PM
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In algebra class, he reminded the teacher she hadn't given us our homework.
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Egnever
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Fri Nov-21-03 12:17 PM
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And I thought the lunch money thing sucked!
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Fri Nov-21-03 12:15 PM
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If he's talking about hardcore activists, then the "militants" are supporting two other candidates. They will never forgive Dean for not having a balloon drop at the signing of the civil unions bill.
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Fri Nov-21-03 12:18 PM
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5. Hamlet. Act iii. Sc. 2 |
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The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
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Fri Nov-21-03 12:27 PM
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7. Hamlet? I thought that was Rick Santorum! |
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:D For anyone who saw Monsignor Crybaby during the filibuster debate.
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Fri Nov-21-03 12:21 PM
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uhhh, Randall... some of us have "slightly" more important concerns in this election, than trying to dictate what goes on in the bedrooms of consenting adults... little things like the war, the economy, trying to find a job, health care, education, social security...
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Fri Nov-21-03 12:27 PM
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8. This is a huge time in history though |
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for the GLBT movement. I mean, every Dem candidate has now come out in support of Civil Unions, the MA supreme court just ruled that it's unconstitutional (state) to deny them equal rights on this front...things are really happening.
I know it's a bit paranoid, but my only worry is that this will give the Christian Coalition the ammo it needs to really energize its base in the Bible Belt states and get people angry enough to overlook the economy and foreign policy. You take that and combine it w/Bush pushing through the Partial Birth ban and you've got a very happy CC crowd with a taste for more religious intrusion on our secular gov't.
I just finished reading "Whatever it Takes" by Elizabeth Drew...great book. It really gives you an inside look at how the GOP powers that be operate during a campaign year. Just motivates me to get more organized and keep working towards winning in 2004!
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Fri Nov-21-03 12:41 PM
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Big push on talk radio and 'christian' radio to fight against the 'homosexual agenda.'
There was a big emphasis in Oct on this.
This issue is why I don't think Dean should be the candidate. The whole campaign, both public and private, will focus on this.
REMEMBER: the religious right is in every state. Something like this could get them all fired up. A big turnout might make the difference in some states.
ALSO: fundamentalist charismatic churches are especially targeting blacks and hispanics.
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Fri Nov-21-03 12:49 PM
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11. So, we're supposed to sit back and wait... |
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...until you think it's a good "strategic move" to ask for fundamental human rights?
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kang
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Fri Nov-21-03 01:24 PM
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13. I don't think we should, but it's still something we'll have to |
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deal w/politically in a smart way. It's unfortunate, but alot of states have large socially conservative populations. I think what we need to do is the same divide conquer strategy we're trying to do w/guns right now. We're not against gun collectors and hunters, but why in earth does somebody need a AK-47 or other assault weapon. Separate the extremists from the more moderate members of their group.
With Gay Civil Unions, I think we say that the gov't is simply recognizing equal rights for all couples, but that the question of calling it "marriage" is really a religious/cultural issue that the gov't has no business with. I know that this might be a watered down position, but I personally rather see those rights won and it being "officially" called civil unions (for now) and what's to stop people from taking ownership of their own relationship and calling it marriage? That way, it's harder for the Christian base to get fired up since they still have their precious marriage label and can feel like their own religious values aren't being infringed on (the more moderates in the group that is). If in fact they're claiming that all "marriages" are religious matters, then the state shouldn't even recognize heterosexual marriages and only recognize Civil Unions. sorry I'm a lawyer and tend to rant. You all get my point...i hope.
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Fri Nov-21-03 02:28 PM
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15. Sadly, yes. Yes you are supposed to sit back and wait. |
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I don't just support civil unions, I support the idea of gay marriages. As Bruce Willis noted, It's always great to see people in love.
Unfortunately, this little wedge issue will get Democrats slaughtered in the south, midwest, and industrial Great Lakes areas. It will ensure a Bush reelection with an actual mandate and possibly a filibuster proof supermajority in the Senate. Think about what type of judge will replace John Paul Stevens.
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Fri Nov-21-03 03:01 PM
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17. This little wedge issue is my life you're talking about. |
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Edited on Fri Nov-21-03 03:07 PM by adamblast
This fight is already *on*, and I'm not the one who started it. It is the courts that have brought forth the possibility of real gay marriage. It's also the right thing to do. If gay marriage causes Democrats to get slaughtered in several areas of the country, it will be because they argued the issue poorly and lost, not because they shouldn't have argued the case at all.
It is an appalling shame that the major Democrats are simply afraid to take a leadership role on what is a major matter of civil rights. They'd rather pander to bigots to increase their electoral chances.
Gay rights will never be handed to me on a platter by the conservatives. And moderate Democrats will *always* tell me that it "costs too many votes."
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Sat Nov-22-03 08:29 PM
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21. Fundamentalist Churches aren't targetting blacks |
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Fundamentalist churches aren't targetting blacks. Blacks are and have for a very long time been overwhelmingly fundamentalist. Hispanics are of course heavily Catholic but increasingly charismatic fundamentalist.
No one seems to have noticed but blacks, who tend to be deeply religious and socially conservative, have no more use for gay rights than white fundamentalists do. On Super Tuesday fundamentalist southern blacks will pretty much decide the Democratic nominee.
There is a reason why Dean has had such trouble getting black support. Well, a Democratic candidate who strikes out with black primary voters is obviously not one who can win in November.
No Democratic candidate will ever be able to afford to alienate black and hispanic voters.
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Fri Nov-21-03 01:08 PM
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Edited on Fri Nov-21-03 01:09 PM by mikehiggins
That's funny. Some years back I helped a friend running for public office in Brooklyn, and came up with that slogan for the race. Even had a big styrofoam set-piece made up by a local artist(shout out to Mikey!) for the race that the candidate could stand in front of at photo ops.
Some other backers got nervous, claiming it carried too much in the way of negative connotations. As a fan of Saul Alinsky, I argued my case, but the more timid voices prevailed.
We lost, of course.
Looks like the GOP learned the truth, though.
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Fri Nov-21-03 12:36 PM
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Dean is the bastard son of James Dean and Dean Stockwell, two well-known Hollywood degenerates.
But if Gephardt is Dean's valet, he's doing a piss-poor job of pressing his shirts and trousers. Haven't seen so many wrinkles on a candidate since Reagan ran.
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Fri Nov-21-03 02:01 PM
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14. Help Randall out here |
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Ok if Dean is the lapdog and Gephardt is the valet, what are the other candidates?
Clark-doorman Kuchinich-chimneysweep Sharpton-huntsman Edwards-groomsman Lieberman-groundskeeper Braun-washingwoman Kerry-sous chef
WTF- is this Remains of the Day?
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Fri Nov-21-03 11:48 PM
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Kerry as Sous-Chef? I like it! He does have good policy positions and like any good chef seems to have the ingredients in the right proportions to make a lovely sauce. A little more garlic and "By George he's got it!"
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Fri Nov-21-03 02:32 PM
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16. Christ what a bastard that Terry is |
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Isnt Operation Rescue a really miltant pro life org too?
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Fri Nov-21-03 09:29 PM
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The repuke/facists will try to run against 'big gay Al', no matter who the nominee is, only Dean CAN defend himself well on this issue, and that IS the point.
Let them argue against monogomy. It will come back and bite them on the ass, big time. Ask ole bow tie Carlson or Drudge...234
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Sat Nov-22-03 04:49 PM
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20. Randall Terry is a freaking idiot |
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didn't he leave the Repuke Party and run for Congress or something on the RTL Party in NY?
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