The "Dennis Kucinich is Unelectable" applet, version 0.9a

[no name no slogan]

(this is version 0.9 because I still consider it beta software, and as such, NO GUARANTEES are made for its suitability or reliability in a production environment.)

To make your "Dennis Kucinich is Unelectable" arguments (and/or slanderings) easier, I have compiled the following most popular reasons and put them in one convenient place.

PLEASE NOTE: 99.999999% of these responses are guaranteed to have been POSTED BY DUers (guarantee not valid in AK, HI, or in the contiguous lower 48 states of the USofA).

So, whenever you feel like hijacking a pro-DK thread, you no longer have to post your full reason and/or argument. Simply refer to the reason by number, and all the hard work is done for you.

Enough jibber-jabber, let's fire this baby up!

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1) "He's too liberal"

2) "He's funny-looking (because)"
a. "he looks like an gnome/dwarf/elf"
b. "he looks like he doesn't wash his hair"
c. "he looks like his mom dresses him"
d. "he's too short"

3) "He whines too much"

4) "He's not a serious candidate"

5) "Nobody who lived in a car can be president"

6) "He bankrupted Cleveland"

7) "He doesn't have executive experience"

8) "He's not a leader"

9) "He's too ethnic"

10) "He's too religious"

11) "His poll numbers are low"

12) "He can't raise money"

13) "Nobody knows who he is"

14) "He can't win"

15) "He'll probably run as a Green anyway"

16) "He'll drive away the moderates and conservatives"
a) With a black bean and hummous burrito
b) In a solar-powered Humvee
c) With his solo renditions of "My Country 'Tis of Thee"

17) "He can't win"

18) "The Yuppies would NEVER vote for him"

19) "He can't repeal NAFTA"

20) "A Department of Peace is too wacky to even think about"

21) "He won't compromise with anybody, ever"

22) "The Republicans would rip him apart"

23) "He's a vegan, and people hate vegans. I know, because I hate them too."

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Of course, this is still the BETA release, and continued development is planned, and future releases can be expected.

This applet is published under the GPL, and you are free to redistribute it as long as the copyright notice remains intact. Please send any corrections/contributions to the author.

:D

[donco6]

1. You forgot one . . .

Dennis who?

[helleborient]

2. LOL!...

So...when we execute the applet...does a nice lil glossy photo of DK pop out?

[helleborient]

3. Or...better yet...if you're the lucky one...

You get to go on a date with the eligible bachelor???

:-)

[no name no slogan]

5. Damn, that's a plan

I could get scans of all his baseball cards and rotate them when each quote comes up.

Thanks for the suggestion (and there goes MY weekend)! :hi:

[brainshrub]

4. You forgot another...

How the #$%@ do you spell Kucinich?

[JohnKleeb]

6. You just did :)

and Kucinich is easier to spell than some of the names in my family tree.

[Spock_is_Skeptical]

47. How do you prononce his name?! Here's help.

For those who need to know how to pronounce "Kucinich."

[JohnKleeb]

49. heh thats useful as well

Personally being somewhat ethnic myself, I like the fact hes Ethnic.

[goodhue]

7. thanks

Very funny and very useful. Looking forward to the next release.

Left off is one of my favorites:

Kucinich is a psycho!

See
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=108&topic_id=86539#88758

[xJlM]

22. The oddible monkey

I've never seen him support anyone, he just bashes Kucinich with his childish posts. Hell, even some of the Dean people post more intelligently than that.

[JohnKleeb]

25. umm first off they aint all childish

that is Dean supporters, I count some of em as friends, and second of all, I think that ass is a Dean supporter, hope he is no reflection on them as a whole because some of em really aint so bad.

[Name removed]

8. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[helleborient]

9. I don' think that's true...

If you look at all of the people posting on this thread, except the one right above you, they've all posted over 700 times and all given money to DU.

If you try the links, the text goes to the official Kucinich site, and the banner goes to a parody site. I don't know why they are organized that way, but perhaps ask the one who started the thread in a kind way instead of accusing a regular contributor of being a Republican.

[helleborient]

10. Looking again...

I think it's an accident...since the banner has the correct Kucinich URL on it, but the link is wrong.

[goodhue]

11. surely not intentional

I'm sure its a simple error on the part of NNNS, who is an upstanding DU kucitizen.

[indigo32]

14. I've met this poster

He is DEFINITELY a strong Kucinich supporter.
I'm sure he'll be happy that the error in his link is pointed out.

[Sully]

23. Sorry

Whenever I see a Dem candidate juxtoposed with O.B.L. my hackles stand up! I like Dennis, I meant no disrespect to Kucinich supporters!

[JohnKleeb]

24. Hey its ok, thanks for your respect of our candiate

Just dont do the too ugly stuff, thats what gets me upset. Kerry, your guy is my second choice.

[diamondsoul]

26. Thanks for the concern, Sully.

It's nice to see someone show that for another candidate. I personally think it's important that people know about kucinich.com, though. Check the message-board there and you'll get an idea of the seriously warped people who visit the place, as well as some majorly committed Kucinich supporters. I don't have the stomach to post there after learning that a candidate in Ohio actually is willing to associate his name with the bile-pit.*shudders*

[JohnKleeb]

27. I dont have the stomach either

How do they do it? They must be brave, I would puke so much.

[no name no slogan]

38. Guilty as charged

Sorry the brain's slipping BADLY. My damned home computer of the last four years decided to cash it in on Thursday, and I'm WAY too broke to afford a new one, so I scraped together a little dough and have spent most of the weekend building a new one from various pieces/parts laying around the house from other computer cadavers. I toasted the main HD with the OS and most my files, and also the motherboard-- no mean feat, and I have a feeling there may be certain pet cats involved in it.... :D

And, I had hoped to spend a day or two this weekend catching up on some work- and non-work-related webdev stuff, which has been completely scuppered I might add....

I need a drink. Too bad it's Sunday in MN, and we just got half a foot of snow, and I can't leave the house :o

[sandnsea]

12. Ohio President's die early

I heard that on MSNBC this morning. Dennis completely cracked up. He's such a neat guy.

[helleborient]

13. LOL!

Spooky....

[redqueen]

15. Wish I could have seen that.

He has such a great smile!

Go Kooch!

[JohnKleeb]

16. You know he mentioned of all presidents

James Garfield once, I know little about Garfield honestly, if he knows a bit about him I would think that would mean hes well read. Yes that is true unfortunely, Ohio presidents do die young and in office, but Kucinich is a healthy guy, I think 3 of the Ohio presidents have died in office, Garfield, Harding, McKinley.

[MuseRider]

17. Funny!

You forgot that he is a cult leader, that was floated for a while but I think that one has gone over to the Dean camp for the moment. It will probably float back to us soon enough. Thanks for a laugh.

[JohnKleeb]

18. No we both get it, both us and Dean supporters alike

I love the hes too ethnic one honestly, being that I think its kinda neat, and I have names in my family tree that make Kucinich look Anglo-Saxon ;) nah not really thats hyperbole but Kovalcik is pretty ethnic too.

[MuseRider]

20. HI John!

I don't get why ethnicity comes into play but then I don't get why race or sex come into play either. It always makes for a new opportunity to learn and the more we learn about each other the hope is the more we can be empathetic.

[JohnKleeb]

21. They did the same thing to that guy who died 40 years ago tommorow

Oh hes too Irish :D. :hi: Muse

[goodhue]

19. another one

I think you may have omitted one of the most popular and powerful.

He's weird because he proposed a Mind Control Ban.

See, e.g., http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=751855#754374

Closely related are complaints that he looks like a romulan and is a hippy dippy space cadet.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

28. And there's always...

He can't win...just because!

[no name no slogan]

39. Absolutely correct

I don't know how I could have passed that one over. That was one of my all-time "DK is a wacko" excuses I'd ever read. That one will definately make it into version 0.9.1, or version 0.9b or whatever the next one ends up being. :P

[NNadir]

29. This an excellent list of truths about Kucinich, not comprehensive,

but extremely accurate.

Experimental verification of many of them is about to occur in the primaries.

I would go a bit more with the looney stuff, you know the psychics, the channelling, chemtrails and the like which will probably become more popular when he and his supporters begin to explain how getting the smallest number of votes is actually winning.

Of course, as you say, you have other versions planned.

[diamondsoul]

30. Mmm-hmmm. Read on, please-

Hey NNadir, you two-toned zebra-headed pimple farmin' paramecium brain, munchin' on yer own mucus, suffering from Dennis Kucinich envy!

Couldn't help it guys, delete as needed, but this seemed so fitting. :evilgrin:

[NNadir]

31. Thanks. Now a question I can't get answered...

One thing two-toned zebra-headed pimple farmin' paramecium brains would like to know...

Has Dennis Kucinich ever proposed a bill in congress that got passed and improved the life of anyone anywhere at any time? Or is it all just words from a congressman with no accomplishments?

Usually when I'm insulted, it's because I've asked this question. We can reverse the order. First I get insulted and then I ask the question. The answer to the question never seems to be included with the insult and it's sooooooo disappointing. Enquiring (paramecium) minds would like to know. :-)

[diamondsoul]

34. Ok then. A Search of Thomas pulled up these-

20. H.AMDT.316 to H.R.1995 Amendment authorizes the establishment of a National Clearinghouse for Teacher Entrepreneurship to encourage teacher interest and involvement in entrepreneurship education.
Sponsor: Rep Kucinich, Dennis J. (introduced 7/20/1999) Cosponsors: (none)
Latest Major Action: 7/20/1999 House amendment agreed to. Status: On agreeing to the Kucinich amendment (A007) Agreed to by voice vote.

I would imagine a great many schools and children were helped by this amendment and thus lives were improved.

18. H.AMDT.175 to H.R.1501 Amendment assists States in establishing and maintaining records of violent juvenile offenders.
Sponsor: Rep Kucinich, Dennis J. (introduced 6/16/1999) Cosponsors: (none)
Latest Major Action: 6/16/1999 House amendment agreed to. Status: On agreeing to the Kucinich amendment (A001) Agreed to by voice vote.

I'd say the potential victims' lives were pretty improved by the state being able to keep track of them.

19. H.AMDT.308 to H.R.2415 Amendment requires the Secretary of State to submit a report to Congress assessing the diplomatic initiatives of the United States and other interested parties in the period leading up to and during the war in Kosovo.
Sponsor: Rep Kucinich, Dennis J. (introduced 7/19/1999) Cosponsors: (none)
Latest Major Action: 7/19/1999 House amendment agreed to. Status: On agreeing to the Kucinich amendment (A008) Agreed to by voice vote.

Let's see, anyone potentially involved in a dispute with this country similar to the situation in Kosovo is likely to be helped by an assessment of this report and evaluation of these initiatives.

31. H.AMDT.359 to H.R.2646 Amendment, as modified, increases funding for biotechnology risk assessment grants from 1 percent to 3 percent of outlays for USDA biotechnology research.
Sponsor: Rep Kucinich, Dennis J. (introduced 10/4/2001) Cosponsors: (none)
Latest Major Action: 10/4/2001 House amendment agreed to. Status: On agreeing to the Kucinich amendment (A041) as modified Agreed to by voice vote.

Those people who will be employed in the biotechnology industry are assisted by this legislation, as are those of us who might be harmed by flawed biotechnology.

36. H.AMDT.514 to H.R.5010 Amendment withholds one percent of funding from certain Department of Defense components until the DOD Inspector General submits an audit of these components pursuant to section 3521(e) of title 31, United States Code.
Sponsor: Rep Kucinich, Dennis J. (introduced 6/27/2002) Cosponsors: (none)
Latest Major Action: 6/27/2002 House amendment agreed to. Status: On agreeing to the Kucinich amendment (A004) Agreed to by voice vote.

Everyone calling for acconting of our DoD budget is likely grateful for this amendment.

37. H.AMDT.550 to H.R.5120 Amendment strikes section 513 which exempted contracts under the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program from the cost accounting standards promulgated under section 26 of the Office of Federal Procurement Policy Act.
Sponsor: Rep Kucinich, Dennis J. (introduced 7/23/2002) Cosponsors: (none)
Latest Major Action: 7/23/2002 House amendment agreed to. Status: On agreeing to the Kucinich amendment (A003) Agreed to by voice vote.

Anyone suffering the affects of being ripped off by Government contracted healthcare providers is probably prety damned improved by this amendment.

This next one is still pending on the calendar, but I imagine if we can get it passed it will improve some lives both here and in Iraq. Knowing the truth tends to do that for people, and especially if it means we don't repeat the mistakes of the past.

6. H.RES.260 : Requesting the President to transmit to the House of Representatives not later 14 days after the date of the adoption of this resolution documents or other materials in the President's possession relating to Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.
Sponsor: Rep Kucinich, Dennis J. (introduced 6/5/2003) Cosponsors: 41
Committees: House International Relations
Latest Major Action: 6/23/2003 House preparation for floor. Status: Placed on the House Calendar, Calendar No. 69.

[Padraig18]

35. But did any of them become laws?

Did they also pass the Senate, and did the President sign any of them into law?

[Karmadillo]

46. Just out of curiosity, how much genuinely progressive legislation

has the right wing House and Senate passed in the past few years and how much of this legislation has been signed into law by the right wing "President"?

[diamondsoul]

60. didja notice neither of the haters bothered

to answer your question? Unreal.

[Karmadillo]

61. It's funny, but I was reading an interview with Kucinich from

Tikkun last night and I was reminded why he's my first choice. Of course people have to resort to the ridiculous anti-Kucinich arguments contained in no name no slogan's excellent post. Of course they have to hit and run. They have no choice. On the merits, Kucinich represents the best of the Democratic Party tradition and no other candidate comes close.

http://www.tikkun.org/magazine/index.cfm/action/tikkun/issue/tik0303/article/030312d.html

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Kucinich: I support disarmament. But if we use war to disarm Iraq, we will create more terrorism.

If one nation proceeds unilaterally, it could easily encourage other nations to proceed unilaterally toward their own perceived security needs.

We should work with the world community to disarm all nations. Any nation which possesses arms can be a threat to another nation and can spur an arms race. Any nation that expresses itself in a belligerent way must be brought to an accounting by the world community. But that can only be done if the countries involved in disciplining another country have themselves no ulterior motives and are acting with clean hands. Actions should not be taken for the purposes of empire, hegemony, or control of resources.

International terrorism presents a unique challenge because it operates without a specific territorial base. It is difficult to hold a particular country accountable for terrorist actions. Coordinated international police action is essential to systematically bring to justice all those engaged in acts of international terrorism.

Bombing Iraq will not diminish terrorism; it will create more terrorism. We have an obligation to challenge terrorists. We have to do so within the rules of international law, without impairing civil liberties. The U.S. has taken a serious turn against the interests of civil liberties with the passage of the Patriot Act, and the Administration continues to revise, through fiat, established criminal justice procedures. We have the right to defend ourselves as a nation, but we have to defend those human rights and constitutional protections that make the condition of nationhood something we celebrate. Terrorists win when they create conditions which lead our government to roll back constitutional freedoms.

more...

[Padraig18]

62. Umm...

No need to be so snarky. I asked a simple, civil question. :eyes:

[NNadir]

43. Now this is an excellent, well researched list.

When did the Senate pass this bills and when did Bush sign them? How has their enforcement gone?

It's amazing that 100% of these laws were passed with no co-sponsors.

BTW, what's the status of HR2977, banning mind control satellites and jet exhaust from space? This is Dennis's most famous introduced bill on the internet.

[Nadienne]

64. If that's the case

Then all the Democratic candidates have the same row to hoe. And then people like me will wonder, if the next Democratic president in a Republican house and senate has an easy time getting things done... How's he (or she) doing it? Unless some kind of give-aways are getting passed as a bribe...

(G'night, going home, sorry to post and run...)

[cyclezealot]

67. This argument is BS.

No Democratic Bill makes it through Rules Committee.None. Have you been paying attention since the Republicans took over in 1994?
Recall, the potential arrest of House Democrats because they caucused because they had never even SEEN the bill after committee mark up..What , the arrest was threatened by Rep. David Drier,R-Calif.!? They just were considering the bills after never seeing them.
What a bougus argument. DK's bills are exactly what Americans need. And you expect DK can pass a bill in this climate.

[Nadienne]

68. Saw DK Sunday

He came to Sioux City. He knows what he is up against, as far as getting bills passed. Which is why he said it's not enough to support him. We must also support those who can work with him. He mentioned that that's how FDR put the New Deal: FDR asked America to vote for those that would put his ideas in place.

I don't know, and I have no intention of starting a flame war over this, so I'll ask: have other candidates been so candid?

[goodhue]

69. welcome to DU

Glad you got a chance to see Kucinich in Sioux City. He certainly is refreshingly candid. Although it might annoy the media and the established power brokers, I really think his unvarnished honesty would be a huge asset in the general election. I haven't seen a similar upside in the other candidates but maybe I've missed it.

Dennis will be back in Iowa this Thursday, Friday and Saturday.
See press realease:

http://www.kucinich.us/pressreleases/pr_121503a.php

Democratic Presidential Candidate Dennis Kucinich is scheduled to make another swing through Iowa this Thursday through Saturday, visiting the towns of Mt. Vernon, Cedar Rapids, Davenport, Muscatine, Washington, Coralville, Toledo, Marshalltown, Ft. Dodge, Algona, Mason City, and Des Moines.

[Nadienne]

70. Thank you for the update

...and for the warm welcome.

His honesty makes it hard for me to believe repugs could find exploitable dirt, other than shallow arguements. Who says he's unelectable? Shallow cowards, that's who!

[Lydia Leftcoast]

32. Oh, yes, and then there's

"he's unelectable because I say so and that's all I ever have to say."

[NNadir]

42. Well, he's electable if people vote for him.

And that's the test. Thus far there's no evidence he'll pass it, though I doubt any Kucinich fan here will admit that maybe he really IS a lousy candidate. (Why is it that "progressives" never take responsibility for their actions but always blame the rest of the world?)

I can guarantee you this: If you prove me wrong about whether or not he is electable even as a nominee, I will do all in my power to make him electable as President. I will dispair for my country though if the choice is this guy and Bush; though I'll try not to let on while campaigning for Kucinich. At that point I'll bury all my concern for separation of religion and state, all my concern for women's (including poor women's) right to reproductive services, all my concerns over HR2877, and everything else and work my ass off for Dennis.

I don't think that I'll have to work too hard to forstall the day. If I thought he was a serious or viable candidate, I would never be some open in my criticisms.

[NNadir]

45. Oh, yes, and if he even comes in third in any major primary by

April 1, I will shut my fat ugly mouth about him. :-)

Good luck with getting me to stuff it! :-) :-) :-)

[Feanorcurufinwe]

33. Did he really live in a car?

What kind? I've lived in a Datsun, a Dodge van, a truck w/camper (almost doesn't count), and a Volvo...

[Feanorcurufinwe]

44. OK, I looked it up myself.

Thank you for joining me for this important moment, not only for myself but for our Cleveland community. I know my brothers and sisters will remember this story well. There is a fiery torch which lights the night skies over our beloved Cleveland. It rises from the furnace of a steel mill. I remember a time when that light played against the interior of our car. As a young child, I pressed my face against the car window and watched as the flame reached up. It filled me with wonder. It gave me a sense of hope, a spark of hope. It made me forget that my mom and dad, my brothers and sisters, all seven of us, were living in that car.
http://kucinich.us/announce-news.htm

It doesn't say what kind but with seven people in it I know it must've seemed even smaller than my Datsun...

[JohnKleeb]

48. Theres a story he has told

About how he and a sibling or two would hide when his parents and other siblings would go ask for liek a place to live, he lived in a big Catholic family, not as big as my grandparents but bigger than my parents, so most landlords wouldnt take them and they would hide. Its an interesting yet sad personal ancedote being that I think families still have to things like that, I am glad he remembers his roots, you cant forget these.

[dfgrbac]

36. The Kucinich.com people are way off base.

I assume you are one of them.

The users of that ID at the E-the People site have banned this group for misrepresenting themselves. Apparently, several folks are posting with that ID. It's a real effort to smear Kucinich - unfairly!

Whatever they say should be highly suspect! They just say anything to discredit Dennis. Don't believe this trash! For example, they keep bringing up the Muny Light thing. But they don't mention that Dennis's action as Mayor saved the people of Cleveland millions of dollars. As a result, he has regained his popularity among the voters in that area and is why he is currently their Congressional Representative.

In all seriousness, please look at the original post here. Look at the list. It is just made up of unfair smears! Any intelligent person can see that. We need better dialog to choose the next President!

[JohnKleeb]

37. No hes one of ours

I dont know how he made that mistake honestly but I can assure hes one of ours but thanks though. The original post is serious in that there are a lot of unfair smears against him.

[dfgrbac]

40. I don't understand

You said, "The original post is serious in that there are a lot of unfair smears against him."

The post is not pointing out unfair smears - it is making unfair smears!

[JohnKleeb]

41. He's showing the many

Trust me on that ok. They are unfair smears and hes just showing how petty they are. Odd way of going about but trust me.

[diamondsoul]

50. The original poster was

trying to show how ridiculous the arguments most commonly tossed out against Kucinich are. This person has been a strong Kucinich advocate here for some time, so those of us who have been around a while are convinced the kucinich.com address was a mistake.

*shhh!* Don't tell anyone, but even our Virtual Outreach Coordinator made that mistake once in a national newsletter! Youch!

[no name no slogan]

51. Mea Culpa

I updated my sig in a rush, right before my diehard workhorse computer of the last four years bit the dust, and didn't get a chance to fix it until last night when I got its successor built (yea, I'm a geek, I build my own computers).

But yes, the original intention was to point out some of the more ridiculous excuses I've seen put forth by members of DU (yes, some of them are verbatim) and other folk.

The guy who runks Kucinich.com seriously needs to get out of the house more often, or take up a more remunerative hobby, like underwater basket weaving. Or get a girl/boyfriend to take up his time and money. :eyes:

[Lydia Leftcoast]

52. I can vouch for the integrity of no name no slogan

He provided musical entertainment as the warmup for Dennis' latest visit to the Twin Cities, and we've even attended some of the same volunteer meetings.

That first post was a joke, son, as a certain cartoon character used to say.

[dfgrbac]

53. What would Dennis say?

If Dennis Kucinich saw the original post, I don't think he would be very happy. And for me, I don't see the fun (if that's what it was supposed to be) in the original post.

For those on this board who are not aware of it, there is a strong and consistant effort by KUCINICH.COM to pound away at discrediting Dennis. We should be vigilant against them because they are doing, and will do, anything they can to keep Dennis from having any chance of getting elected. KUCINICH.COM has been banned from E-The People for misrepresenting themselves. They use the ID KUCINICH.COM. After being dropped, they keep changing the ID slightly to get back in. ETP is working on preventing this.

The tone of this original post, and its misrepresentation in the Kucinich banner, is typical of their tactics. We Kucinich supporters cannot afford to let these people place erroneous doubts in voters minds!

[OhioStateProgressive]

54. i think Dennis would understand

it was a mistake about his signature, he already said that

and, this post seemed to me to be a topic starter, to talk about how to dispell these myths...not a flame material at all


but i only have 60 posts or so, so obviously don't know politics


pff....

[no name no slogan]

56. it was meant as a JOKE, and should be treated as one :D

The main reason I posted it was because I've seen so many absolutely brainless reasons why DK cannot be elected posted all over DU in the last few months (since I've been here).

I really put them out there for a couple of reasons: #1, to acknowledge to the DK bashers that we DK supporters have read/heard most of these before, and that they should really get some new material if they are going to bash DK, and #2 to show how ridiculous some of these reasons really are (like him not washing his hair, or being short, or looking like a gnome, etc.).

The link to the wrong URL (as I've explained elsewhere on this thread) was done in haste when I was changing my sigline. After I changed it, my computer bit the dust and I was unable to fix it until a couple days later. I'm quite familiar with kucinich.com and know that it's run by some right-wing twit with a grudge against DK. Believe me, I had no intention of linking to that site (but I'm suprised so many people actually paid attention to my sig, though!).

[diamondsoul]

57. Dennis doesn't pay kucinich.com any mind.

Why should he? It's all nonsense easily discredited and most of it documented on the campaign website for anyone with more than a single working brain cell.

One visit to the messageboard at that site will tell people all they need to know about the owner.*ROTFL* He's completely psychotic, and even NNadir would have to agree that next to him Kucinich is the most rational being on two legs!

[no name no slogan]

55. Thanks Lydia

thanks for covering my sorry arse :P. I changed my sig right before my home computer cashed it in, and was pretty much offline all weekend b/c I was building a "new" one (which to me means salvaging parts off old machines and spending a couple hunnerd on a new motherboard and processor. Eek!). So there it sat, all weekend, pointing to the wrong website! :o

BTW I think some of us musical m4k folk may be performing again in the near future-- Jack (the super-canvasser) is having some sort of event in late Dec at the Lao Family center, and I'll probably be doing the sound again like I did at the Veteran's Day house party/fundraiser. He's very involved w/ Veterans for Peace and many other P&J groups, and he said he'd get some good speakers. It should be another great time! :D

[goodhue]

58. this post still rocks

I'm surprised some folks didn't understand the post was comedy. Thanks again NNNS for this handy reference guide. Cheers.

[no name no slogan]

59. gracias, amigo

I'm still pointing naysayers to it when they trot out the usual unelectable reasons. If I get overly ambition this weekend, I'm thinking about adding a few more to it, and maybe even writing a silly little application that would display different DK pics for each reason, along with some text debunking the myth, too.

Have a good holiday!

[goodhue]

63. big kick

although beta its still operative

[no name no slogan]

65. Thanks, man!

I was getting ready to release a new version, in the wake of the last debate, but it appears this one still has legs!

:toast:

[Zomby Woof]

66. How did I miss this?

:D Too too funny, and as Ralph Wiggam says, 'it's funny 'cause it's true!'

I can think of a few more idiocies for the list, but I don't want to give them any more ideas. :-)

[dpbrown]

71. A kick for public financing!

https://www.kucinich.us/contribute.php

The BFEE is the problem - Kucinich is the answer.

Dan Brown
Saint Paul, Minnesota