Am I crazy, or will HRC be the VP for the Dem Ticket ?

[MattPinNC]

Would HRC be willing to be the VP nominee in 2004?

I seriously think she wants to run in 2004, not 2008.

Since she can't register for the New Hampshire primary, the deadline of has passed.

One candidate, probably Dean, will emerge as THE candidate by the South Carolina primary on in February.

This strategy allows her to wait until July '04, when we meet in Boston at the Convention. By then, she’ll have a pretty good idea if Dub has the election locked up and whether she should join the ticket.

If the economy staggers, or if another 9/11 style terror attack happens, Dub could suffer. She may then see the Democrats have a clear shot of winning the White House.

Then, at the convention, she can make her pitch for the VP slot.

The nominee will have no choice but to select her.

She and Bill have already created soft money political entities outside the control of the Party that they and their staff control, in the hundreds of millions, far more than the Democratic party itself has. And only a fool would think they are raising this money for '08

Already top Clinton aides have been orchestrating the campaign of Clark. The real agenda for it may be to get Hillary and her team into the presidential race early, without tipping her hand.

The beauty of this VP strategy is that she doesn’t have to run. She can simply wait until almost the last minute before deciding to jump in.

If she does take the VP slot, she avoids all of the scrutiny of her 'sorted' past during the bruising primaries.

Without a doubt, as a Presidential candidate Hillary would have become the primary target of the Democratic opponents.

Everyone knows she is the star of the party. If she announced her White House intention, she would be the immediate front-runner, but she would also become an instant lightning rod.

If she waits and considers the VP option, she won’t attract the same degree of attention and "flack" as the presidential nominee.

If she joins the ticket & it loses in '04, she and the Clinton spin doctors in the media can immediately blame the loss on the Presidential nominee, not her.

Conversely, if we win next year & she becomes VP. She immediately becomes the most powerful women in American politics and perhaps the most powerful vice president in history.

And at that point in time, Vice President HRC will be just steps away from the Oval Office and in prime position for '08.

I think it'll happen.

vvv

[Alpharetta]

1. I want Clark for VP if Dean gets the nomination.

I think he'd be a great VP.

[stopbush]

2. Yes, you're crazy n/t

[bif]

6. I second it, you're crazy

n/t

[burr]

31. crazy???

ahhh yes..mental derangement, irrational, madness, dementia, phobia, mania, paranoia, negativism, raging, wild, half-cocked, cracked, not playing with a full deck, not all there, witlessly, violent, rabid, bereft of reason, mentally unsound, furious, raving, stark mad, possessed, mad as a March hare, or bughouse. :crazy:

The only way the Democratic nominee would consider her as a running mate would be if New York becomes a tossup state. And every Democrat since Dukakis has won New York, Dean or Kerry would win there easily. The primary thing that would cause Hillary to run in 2008 would be if Democrats had still failed to elected either a Democratic President or Senate. And if Democrats still control neither by 2008, the future of the Democratic party would be the least of our worries!

[terrisel]

3. who cares?

The only people I know who care whether she runs are Republicans right wingers who are obsessed by her personality.

[Options Remain]

4. not hillary

thats a disaster waiting to happen.

TearForger

[MattPinNC]

7. why not ?

[Alpharetta]

9. One reason

Her public speaking is of the old-school Chicago Democrat style.

It just doesn't work any more. It needs a makeover. She sounds like Senator Paul Simon, who is a wonderful man but not the speaker you want to model yourself after in this century.

[MattPinNC]

11. With all due respect ...

.. I don't think that'll hold her up from the possibility. Hell, Schrub can't speak worth a lick, and he's there. So, you gotta come up with some real reasons, not just public speaking. Hell, she got to be Sen. of NY. She had to do some speaking , right??

vvv

[Alpharetta]

17. you want a REAL reason?

her public speaking is why she doesn't resonate with me.

That was my REAL reason.

But if you want just facts instead of feelings, the fact of her Iraq War vote is enough for me to rule her out.

[MattPinNC]

26. Litmus ?

will that exclude Kerry and Lieberman for you too?

[Alpharetta]

30. in the primary, I'll definitely apply that litmus test

yep

[HereSince1628]

15. For me Hillary is too DLC

She is also a rallying point for the opposition. There isn't any need to energize Republicans.

[xultar]

5. I want Clark to pick HRC. That would be ORGASMIC!!! n/t

[Alpharetta]

8. Limbaugh will get a pointer to this

and he'll say

"Hillary's people are already sending out feelers for nomination in 2004. What did I tell you people? See now?"

10. abolish the hereditary state

Hillary, wife of former head of state Bill is no different than George son of former head of state George, in a structural sense.

I like Hillary, but the United States is not supposed to be a monarchy.

[LuminousX]

29. Hear, hear!

No matter how good she'd be as President, I don't like keeping power trapped in the hands of just a few.

[cjbuchanan]

12. I think you just might be crazy

One thing I must point out, your next to last sentence says that if she became VP, she would be in prime position for '08. That is not true. If she ran in '08, she would be running against, using your example, Dean. The party would not forgive her for that. Even if Dean was in a hunk of trouble, the VP cannot pull away from the president. Now, she would be in a strong spot to get the nom in 2012, but I must point out that sitting VPs seldom win the Presidency.

One other small thing, the VP will be chosen before the convention, so HRC could not use the convention to rally people around her.

edit for spelling

[MattPinNC]

16. Orrrrr ...

she could use the LBJ tried & true method of getting to be Pres. (a la Kennedy Conspiracy) ... jk jk :evilgrin:

vvv

[RandomKoolzip]

13. I will refrain from accusing you of being a freeper, but....

like a previous poster pointed out, the only people who are thinking in these terms are RW plants. I have a feeling this post will be picked up by Andy Sullivan, Rush, et al. as an "I told you so!" item on the RW agenda, just like when that schmuck posted that "Soldiers getting killed in Iraq is a good idea" flare-up a few weeks ago. It's just an oppurtunity to paint the left with a very negative brush and...and it's just not a good idea! Sorry to be so harsh, but please, we've heard enough RW blather on this subject. Give it a rest, it's not gonna happen, and stop doing unconcious legwork for the Right.

[MattPinNC]

14. Fear not Random

.. although I'm new to DU, I ain't no Freeper. Just trying to start some dialogue on other possibilities. Just thinking outside the proverbial box.. I didn't know the topic was nuclear or taboo.

vvv

[RandomKoolzip]

19. It's pretty nuclear.

It's like posting an "Carter was incompetent and sanctimonious!" thread. Since you are pretty new, and your name ("came, saw, conquered?" What, you mean like freepers always say they've done to DU when they disrupt?) sent off some warning bells, I am kinda suspicious. But I will give you the benefit of the doubt.

There have been numerous threads on this subject, and the authors invariably get shouted down, sorry, that's just how it is. I've heard too many RWers claiming that the scenario described in your post is ineveitable. And thus, it's like a red cape to a herd of bulls.

Oh, and for the last time :HILLARY IS NOT RUNNING FOR PREZ OR VEEP IN 2004!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MattPinNC]

24. Ok, Ok .... fair enough ...

.. just bear in mind, that when/if she does (and we can't rule it out), I'm going to need some serious apologies from youze guys.

I'm just trying to prompt new/different thought -v- the same ol' proponants for Dean, Clark, Kerry, et al.

All I'm proposing, is that it's plausible.

As for the 'vvv' tag, it's just a random one. One of my kids is taking latin in HS. Thought it was catchy. :shrug:

cheers!
vvv

[funkyflathead]

18. That would OK with me

Hillary is a capable senator and politician.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

20. Yep, crazy.

[Ocean188]

21. Crazy maybe but not original

I like anyone who thinks outside the box but your post is almost copied verbatim from a Newsmax.com article by Christopher Ruddy.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/11/21/153613.shtml

[Name removed]

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[MattPinNC]

25. Easy there Garden ....

Like I told RandomKool, there ain;t no Freepin here. ANd, if I was anti-Clinton, why would I post this? I'm just trying to express a possible and plausible scenario. And, as for the typo, this message frame ain't got no spellcheck.... solly

vvv

[Eurobabe]

23. CVS called

Your meds are ready for pick-up

[MattPinNC]

27. Thanks Cro !

.. and I'll distribute some ludes for some of my detractors. Just bringing this topic up gets some hair on some folks neck up...

:nuke:

v

[yellowdawgdem]

28. One taco short of a combination plate

I think Hillary is happier being a senator, it's a slightly more secure job. I bet she'd do nearly anything to help the dem's win in 004, but maybe she's not such an egotist as to think that means her running. At the Iowa debates, the crowd was really thin on their applause for Mosely-braun, and Clinton as well. It would seem that the American electorate is still not ready for a woman in the top slot. It's as though the last 4 years of republican rule have pushed people's consciousness backwards as well. As far as her public speaking skills, they compare favorably to the other candidates- I don't think Clark is exactly a firey speaker, Leiberman has a tendency to whine, and Gephardt does a whole lot better in smaller settings where he can have more direct contact with his supporters. Kerry is ok except when he gets obsessed with the past, and goes overboard on his military experience. Dean is probably the most engaging speaker, but he is getting to sound more like a cheerleader, and not going into enough depth on his ideas. I respect Hillary Clinton extremely much, but think that she is going to wait for a more favorable opportunity, and this aint it.