OhioStateProgressive
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Mon Nov-24-03 08:36 PM
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something that is bothering me about this election |
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Edited on Mon Nov-24-03 08:38 PM by OhioStateProgressive
when did our "jobs" change from voters to election analysts?
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Eric J in MN
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Mon Nov-24-03 08:45 PM
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1. primary voters have considered both |
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Primary voters have considered both which candidate they like and which is electable in previous elections.
During the 1992 primaries, some people said Clinton was unelectable.
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OhioStateProgressive
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Mon Nov-24-03 08:50 PM
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2. thats not what i meant |
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i mean over the last 25 years or so...in general i think people are too full on themselves, so they over analyze things ( i am very guilty of this kinda stuff too)
what ever happened to people just being happy being the voter, and voting for what they believe in their heart?
i just thought i would bring it up, i was thinking about it
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Mon Nov-24-03 09:00 PM
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3. This is kind of a hobby for me |
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If I was voting by my heart's desire, I would vote for Edwards or Kucinich. Edwards is a charming, polite man who has that special quality about him. Kucinich is someone who comes across to me as someone who really believes in what he says and the ideal of peace. Those things appeal to me. I view "voting from the heart" as more of a personality thing. I don't ignore it though. I view it as a factor in my decision making process in order to reach a collective whole.
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Mon Nov-24-03 09:55 PM
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4. i think analyzing is intelligent. |
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I analyze everything and seem to be getting smarter everyday. I really think that if everyone would look more deep into everything, we would have less hate and bickering and more understanding and love for each other. You just can't be angry if you understand where the other guy is coming from, even if it isn't your own opinion. There....I shot my mouth off.
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Mon Nov-24-03 10:01 PM
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5. voting with your heart is analyzation |
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but then we would be arguing definitions
i meant people being political commentators...wanking on about how electable each candidate is
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Tue Nov-25-03 01:17 AM
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6. I think it has to do with |
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our Pluto transit .. it's generational.
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Tue Nov-25-03 01:39 AM
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7. hard for me to say, since we are all doing both! |
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Edited on Tue Nov-25-03 01:41 AM by burr
I had a friendly Democrat over to watch the debate, someone not very political and who is wanting to know more about the candidates. And I listened to most of his reactions to the candidates while I kept my mouth shut.
The responses were fascinating. He didn't even seem to care about Clark or Kerry, he almost saw them as distractions. Gephardt came across the same way. Edwards got his attention briefly, but only when I asked him what he thought about Edwards' remarks on the Patriot Act. But then he went back talking about football. But Sharpton and Dean seemed to draw his eyes to the TV everytime they spoke. Braun would get his attention, but then quickly lose it. Later Gephardt annoyed him, but only when Tim was not talking to me about the Falcons! Kucinich got a huge laugh out of him, and he remarked that Dennis reminded him of a rightwing nerd he knew back in high school.
At the end of the debate I asked him how he would vote. He said that it was a difficult question. If he alone could appoint the President, then Sharpton or Kucinich would be his first choices. But he pointed out that when he votes, he also considers how others shall vote in November. Based on this, he said he would cast his vote for the candidate who could most effectively achieve his goals. "Dean", he said "would be the most likely to beat bush, and is the most charming personality on the stage." And Tim stated his strong opinion that Democrats must have someone competitive like Dean in order to beat bush in November.
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Tue Nov-25-03 01:20 PM
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8. We Need "Education for a Critical Consciuousness" (Paulo Freire) |
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Freire's remarks in his book "Education for a Critical Consciousness," can help us understand the content of the promise of our times.
A society beginning to move from one epoch to another requires the development of an especially flexible, critical spirit. Lacking such spirit one cannot perceive the marked contradictions which emerge in society, as emerging values in search of affirmation and fulfillment clash with earlier values seeking preservation. The time of epochal transition constitutes an historical cultural tidal wave.
Contradictions increase between the ways of being, understanding, behaving and valuing which announce the future, and the ways of being, understanding, behaving and valuing which seek preservation. As the contradictions deepen, the tidal wave becomes stronger and its climate increasingly emotional.
This shock between a yesterday which is losing relevance but still seeks to survive, and a tomorrow which is gaining substance, characterize the phase of transition as time of announcement and a time of decision. Only, however, when the choices result from a critical perception of the contradictions, are they real and capable of being transformed into action.
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Tue Nov-25-03 01:34 PM
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Stole the election.....and we realized that major media is on his side....that's when we had to take the job over from them.
Bush getting out of the White House should be the only goal....all else be damned!
Analysis means choosing the candidate that will do that job. Not who would you "like"....(although in my case, my candidate fulfills both).....
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Fri Nov-28-03 10:08 PM
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10. Don't even understand the question |
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In every election, one of the considerations for who you vote for might be whether the candidate is electable. Determining electability is a kind of election analysis, so we have always been doing that.
Go Edwards: THE Electable Candidate!
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