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unfrigginreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 01:26 PM
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Dean Gives Me Hope
After watching MTP this morning my fervor for Dean has been renewed. Sitting on the panel were a bunch of elite media whores whose opinions are formed by fraternizing with other elites, whether they be whores or not. They spew their thoughts on what the common folk are thinking as though they have real insight when the closest they've come to them is by watching Frank Capra movies.

I got to witness a full hour, evenly divided by praise for the Bush trip and how Dean can't beat Bush. I'll skip the praise for Bush part. I wasn't really interested and I would hope that the press would treat a real President with respect someday. Yes, I know the trip was just a political move, but so does the rest of the public, it will not have any lasting beneficial effect for Bush.

Then they got into the Dean can't win skit. It might as well have been a skit, you could easily have written it before the show. A group of the Washington insider press corps reporting about the anxiety of the Washington insider politicians over a Dean candidacy. Their stated beef? Dean will appear weak since he opposed the Iraq war. No talk about distinguishing the overall war on terror and the Iraq action. No, because then most of the panel would look like idiots since they were all on record supporting the invasion. One of the panelists went so far as to say that the Congressional candidates were shown evidence that Iraq had WMD so we had to go in. Webters is probably rewriting the definition of evidence as I write this.

Anyway, after watching all of them primp and preen and pontificate from their lofty perches, my disgust meter went up about 1000%. Disgust with the business as usual crowd, disgust with media that ignores real challenges that this country faces in favor of fear mongering, disgust with my party for selling out on an issue as critical as sending men and women to die for a trumped up war.

So where do I seek hope to replace the disgust, in Howard Dean. The guy that's running on issues, not bio. The guy that thought going into Iraq was wrong. The guy that will re-regulate the loopholes and bad legislation for big business since "workers are getting screwed". For more reasons to be hopeful see w4rma's massive information dump on Dean.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=108&topic_id=41214

I'm fired up about Dean's chances to win the nomination and the election next year. If the Democrats want to retake the WH and Congress then we have to change the dynamics. Business as usual has been a real boon to the GOP.
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virtualobserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 01:30 PM
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1. It is such a relief to have a candidate that doesn't poll test each phrase
If Dean wasn't running, I would have my traditional pre-election anxiety, wincing as I hear my candidate speak, hoping that he had some notion of what it took to win.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 01:56 PM
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4. What makes you think he isn't poll-testing his message?
?
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RogueTrooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 02:34 PM
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6. Because the message predates
when we could afford polling.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 01:30 PM
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2. According to what pundits said a few months ago
Dean couldn't win the nomination, either. In June, he had "peaked", remember? Now they try to Gore him again but that has seemed to work in his favor in the past.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 01:50 PM
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3. Dean has given a reason for a lot of people that don't usually
vote, to vote. I think there will be a lot of people voting next year and that is BAD for the repugs.

We are going to win this next election.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 02:28 PM
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5. My reaction was identical, absolutely identical to yours.
MTP has these political gurus on--yet why am I and why are others more informed than they are? It's supposed to be a job for them. The arrogance of Safire when he declared that the American people need the word "preemptive" explained to them! And then the pundits who talk about Dean and say that he's only negative. What universe are the pundits from?

Oh, hang on. I forgot to mention that tidbit from Broder about how all established Democrats are "biting their fingernails" at the prospect of a Dean nomination because he's so "far left." Some proof of this was offered via the article in the Moonie Times, in which Leon Panetta made some statements along similar lines. The Washington Times?

More than ever, I understand what Dean meant when he said he's from the Democratic wing of the Democratic party. He wasn't simply quoting Wellstone. He believes in our democratic republic, and he cares about how democracy works. The D.C. types and the pundits don't seem to understand this.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 02:49 PM
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7. at first the media said Dean was a long-shot when he was an
asterik in the polls, then the people started listening to him instead of the media, and that's why Dean is where he is now today because we listened to him instead of the pundits.
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candy331 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 03:00 PM
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8. It sure was
refreshing and hopeful to read a post on Dean and not have to douse the flames.


Dean/Clark supporter
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 03:57 PM
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9. thanks
:-)
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 04:52 PM
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10. Dean continues to defy convention and prediction
You watch - In 2008 the GOP mediasluts and many statist democrats will be grousing "Hmph. He'll never get reelected."


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