First choice then second choice

[douginmarshall]

:think: With 9 running it is difficult to tell what will happen. It will be key to see who drops out and where their support goes. So make a simple reply first choice and if that person drops out who you will switch to. I will try to keep track. :dem:

[Bucky]

1. Thanks Dougfer

Clark is one
Edwards is two

[Bucky]

94. HEY DOUG-4! What's the FINAL TALLY of this thread?

Doug4? Doug4? Are you there, man? Answer me!!

[douginmarshall]

97. Sorry I was at work, 2nd shifter

I don't think this is final. But here it is as of now.

After 96 posts

Dean 21
Clark 34

Dean 30
Kerry 20

Dean 30
Edwards 20

Dean 28
Kucinich 15

Dean 30
Gephart 4

Dean 30
Braun 4

Dean 30
Sharpton 2

Dean 30
lieberman 0

[maxr4clark]

99. Huh?

I read your explanation, but I don't get it at all. If someone votes Kucinich/Lieberman (I think that's a safe fictitious example), both of those go into a Dean v. somebody? And is counted no different than Lieberman/Kucinich? "Dean 21, Clark 34" doesn't tell me anything about how many people picked Clark either first OR second, only that 34 people mentioned Clark; and I haven't a CLUE what it tells me about Dean.

You must be Al Gore, only he thinks like this!

[douginmarshall]

102. Let me try again

No if you vote Kucinich Lieberman or Lieberman then Kucinich either way they each would get 1 vote against Howard Dean. The numbers are if your only joice was Dean (I made the assumption that Dean will be there till the end)and Clark as an example. I give the numbers for all posibilities of Dean vs. ?. So, if you vote Dean first he is the only one who gets a vote because you will never get to choice 2. If you vote Braun then Dean, Braun gets a vote and Dean gets 0 in the head to head Dean Vs. Braun, In all of the other head to heads Dean gets 1 vote and everyone else gets 0.

I look at the votes with the assumption that everyone else has dropped out and we are left with just your choices and Dean. In the first example, Kucinich Lieberman or Lieberman then Kucinich they both get a vote because if the other drops out thn your vote Goes to your 2nd choice.

On the totals I hve posted I need to go back and do a re-count because there has been some editing and some of the votes were changed, That will take a while, don't heave the time now.

I hope this helps. This is only for the purpose to try to see how deap Dean's support is and what will happen as others drop out.

[maxr4clark]

115. Thanks

So its like this (for those who like tables and equations):

1st Choice
Dean Clark Other
2nd Dean -- A B
Choice Clark C -- D
Other E F --

Dean Vs. Clark: Dean = B+C+E
Clark = A+D+F

...and you do this for each candidate individually, other than Dean.

Complex, but rational. The Dean-centric view is even okay, so long as he gets the most votes overall. This is, after all, a Dean-centric blog.

[maxr4clark]

116. razzafrazzit

Formatting problem. The table above is supposed to mean:

1st 2nd
Dean_ Clark C
Dean_ Other E
Clark Dean_ A
Clark Other F
Other Dean_ B
Other Clark D
Other Other (not counted for Dean v. Clark)

Then it is Dean (B+C+E) vs. Clark (A+D+F).

[douginmarshall]

117. exactly

:shrug:

[douginmarshall]

121. New Totals

After 120 posts (not all posts have votes)

Dean 24
Clark 42
:toast:

Dean 34
Kerry 25

Dean 34
Edwards 25

Dean 32
Kucinich 23

Dean 35
Gephart 5

Dean 35
Braun 4

Dean 34
Sharpton 2

Dean 35
Lieberman 0
:toast: I will toast when Joe drops out.

[bookman]

2. Right Now

Clark - 1
Dean -2

[Lady President]

3. Mine

1. Kerry
2. Edwards

I also would be happy to support either Clark or Gephardt if I lose both my #1 and #2.

[Catch22Dem]

4. Clark - Edwards

[Rowdyboy]

5. Clark-Dean

n/t

[a_lil_wall_fly]

6. hmmm tough one

Edwards-Braun

[AP]

7. Edwards-Kucinich (third: Kerry/Clark toss-up)

[CalebHayes]

27. LOL

[last_texas_dem]

111. Cool

I'm Edwards 1st, Kucinich 2nd, too. :hi:

[genius]

120. Kucinich, then Kerry or Edwards.

However, if I were on the Supreme Court, I'd appoint Sharpton.

[douginmarshall]

8. good start

Clark 1 :yourock:

Kerry 2

[OhioStateProgressive]

9. if i say Kucinich-Nader, will i get rocks thrown at me?:)

Kucinich-Clark

[a_lil_wall_fly]

18. No...that would be a good ticket

but follower DUer's meet be unhappy with that outcome

[CalebHayes]

24. How about, NO

[LWolf]

10. 1. Kucinich

2. A toss-up. I don't expect Dennis to drop out. If I had to make another choice...Braun, if she is still there. Or Kerry, if she's not. But that's just for today.

[hippywife]

107. Kucinich/Nobody

[UrbScotty]

11. Dean-Clark

Kucinich
Kerry
Gephardt
Edwards
Braun
Sharpton
Lieberman

[robbedvoter]

12. Clark/Clark

Sorry, I don't intend to lose.

[undergroundpanther]

21. My choice?

DK all the way,for me.
He's the candidate who is the most progressive,most egalitarian.w
Kucnich seems to act with his brain and a heart and ethics all intact..He is not a cheap labor conservative.
He is the only one I see who is capable of walking his talk,even if republicans fume and stand in his way, he apparently knows the ugly heart of the differences between left and right.And he ain't afraid to say it,unlike every other candidate so far who never seems to point the finger where it needs to be pointed at directly..



The right wing is all about preserving and explanding the machinations of Cheap labor elitists,colonialism, social darwinism,The cheap labor elitists are terrified of human equality and democracy in the true sense.

Basically the right wing is the party of feudal america(PNAC)Where the priveleged propertied class of haves will use the rest of us manipulated,desperate have nots to enrich themselves.
In an elitist culture cheap labor conservatives and thier wishy washy allies propose we will live beholden to the demands and schemes of the haves as they take more from us because we are not the biggest richest bully or part of the old rich club. The wealthy cheap labor bullies will manipulate consent if that fails they will brutally crush rebellions,non-participators,uprisings,strikes, or protests until they are removed from power.

For cheap labor copnservatives,thier"family values" are not only harking back to before the new deal,or even the 1900's They wanna go back to the age of empire, back to lex talionis,Rome, and the law of the chickenyard.They want a social darwinist pecking order society where they are the kings and they have a huge head start in thier dominion over everyone else already. Thiers is a world where the biggest bully with the most stuff and most loyal dupes pecks everyone else below and has them doing his bidding with bribes(corruption,work) or threats(war,abuse).

There is no middle of the road in this core difference.

There is a chasm 1 inch wide a million feet deep

between progressives and elitists

On one side,cheap labor republicans and thier patsy mealy mouthed allies ,making excuses ,enablingmdenying and sucking up..
On this side are the Anti-elitists,whe think humanity can rise above lex talionis and give up social darwinism. The progressives are pro-human rights,pro-human dignity,pro-peace,pro-community ,freedom loving, unafraid egalitarians.

Yes you can step from side to side on "issues".Bush's stuff about either you are with us or against us actually applies here.

Which side of the chasm are you on?

On the other side are egalitarians and progressive humanitarian ideals like a department of peace,respect for the envioronmentwe share and depend on, protection for animals from exploiting and cruel people,equal rights and equal dignity for women,alternative sexual identities,other races,the disabled sick and poor?Are you Anti-domination? Anti-abuse?
Are you in for supporting a safety net that's built by people to benifiet all the people living together in society for when they stumble or become sick,old or can't go on. Do you really want to support the general welfare and common good of all beings in this our collective community? Are you willing to share some of what you have to help someone else,and give up a little privacy to create a living community and promote peace?

Which side of the idealogical chasm are you on?
Which side is your candidate on?
Do you know?

[chimpymustgo]

13. Clark/Edwards. Edwards/Clark.

nt

[MuseRider]

14. I'm going with the K's

Kucinich
Kerry

[JohnKleeb]

32. yeah me too

[mndemocrat_29]

15. mndemocrat_29

My first and second choices:

1. Wesley Clark
2. John Edwards

[douginmarshall]

16. Where are the Dean People?

I've started to compile some numbers, early. I 've made an assumption that Dean is the front runner and will be in it till the end. I then have taken the numbers for a Dean vs. the others in a head to head match. If Dean gets a first choice then Dean gets a vote against everyone. Any first votes for someone other than Dean gets one vote or for every 2nd choice when Dean is not number one they get the vote.

Example. If you vote Sharpton 1 and Braun 2 They both get 1 vote against Dean. If the vote is Kerry 1 Dean 2 then Kerry gets one vote against Dean and Dean gets one vote against everyone but Kerry.

Make sence?

Total after 15 posts
Dean 1
Clark 11

Dean 3
Kerry 5

Dean 3
Edwards 7

Dean 3
Kucinich 4

Dean 3
Gephart 1

Dean 3
Braun 2

Dean 3
Sharpton o

Dean 3
lieberman 0

[Jerseycoa]

42. kick

:dem:

[ludwigb]

17. Tough call for 2nd

1. Dean
2. Clark

Edwards is a close 3rd. I also wouldn't rule Gephardt out if he gets some momentum.

[Padraig18]

19. 1.) Dean , 2.) Clark.

:hi:

[douginmarshall]

78. Why Dean?

What about Dean do you like more than Clark? You must like something about Clark to make him #2. What issues are the most important to you?

[mandyky]

20. I only have a first choice

My second is whoever wins the nomination if it is not my first choice...

[coralrf]

22. Clark / Kerry

nt

[CalebHayes]

26. Yep, Kerry - Clark or Clark - Kerry... maybe Edwards

[DemOutWest]

23. Hypothetical Because

My first choice will be the candidate.

Kerry
Kucinich
Clark
Gephardt
Braun
Edwards

[ErasureAcer]

25. 1. Kucinich 2. Sharpton

[xJlM]

126. That would be great

Talk about motivating the racists in the repug party, though... My support is behind Kucinich, and I could wait to see who he'd like to run with.

[CalebHayes]

28. It will never happen but I want to see Bush debate Sharpton!!

SN-AL... Watch NBC tonight.

[Kurovski]

35. That would be superb.

Maybe we can force Bush to debate Sharpton as part of his plea agreement 3-4 years from now?

[sandnsea]

29. Kerry/Edwards, Clark/Edwards

And Edwards otherwise. Edwards is definitely high on everybody's list it seems to me.

[carpetbagger]

30. Clark than Gephardt.

While I personally like Kerry and Dean more than Gephardt, my vote would go with the guy who can take Bush out in the swing state I know best, my former home of West Virginia.

IMO, those are the two who could carry the state without too much tilting of the national field towards us.

[Kathleen04]

31. Clark-Dean..

John Edwards would be my 3rd..

[douginmarshall]

33. After 32 posts Keep it coming

32 posts
Dean 4
Clark 16

Dean 7
Kerry 9

Dean 7
Edwards 9

Dean 7
Kucinich 7

Dean 7
Gephart 2

Dean 7
Braun 2

Dean 7
Sharpton 1

Dean 7
lieberman 0

[Jerseycoa]

43. kick

:dem:

[Kurovski]

34. 1)Dean 2)Clark

[douginmarshall]

36. What this looks like

This is not scientific at all just a hunch. Dean has all the support he will get. Those who have picked someone else will not move to Dean when their candidate drops out. So far only Clark supporters have listed Dean as their 2nd choice. In my opinion the General is the one the others will turn to as their candidates drop out.

Need lots more data, please come in and post.

:dem:

:kick:

[ThirdWheelLegend]

37. Kucinich first...

...then Kerry, Sharpton, Braun, Edwards..(maybe not in that exact order for 2,3,4,5.

Gep is sort of here in the middle...

If those all drop out and it comes down to Dean, Clark and Lieberman I will simply not vote in the primary as there would be no motivation. Dean was my number 2 for a while, but his dishonesty really knocked him down on my list.


TWL

[douginmarshall]

39. what don't you like about Clark?

http://clark04.com/issues/

Look at his position on the issues and tell me what you don't like.

Not sure about the man check out what someone who served under him thinks.

http://cris.forclark.com/

[ThirdWheelLegend]

47. He would have to prove to me...

He would have to prove to me that he stands behind his positions. That he is not part of the MIC. That he did not recently support this administration.

Unfortunately I do not want have his proving grounds be in the office of President of the US.

On the issues:

His healthcare plan is vague and falls short of Universal Health Care.

On bin laden and terror:
"Improved cooperation will lead to:
improved efforts to cut off funding for the Al Qaeda network;
increased burden-sharing in Iraq;
invigorated efforts to locate and destroy the leadership of Al Qaeda;
increased security of Afghanistan's borders;
strengthened democratic institutions in the Middle East; & stronger efforts to secularize Afghanistan and help create democratic institution's there.
"

Stresses the same things Bush wishes to do, no?

How about addressing the reasons there are terror networks? He talks of a join US=Saudi Commando network? Why is military the only answer?

That is just some for now.

TWL

[NewJerseyDem]

38. My choices

My first choice: John Edwards
My second choice: Dick Gephardt

[Josh]

40. Clark, Edwards

nt.

[Jerseycoa]

41. Clark; Edwards

[Renew Deal]

44. Clark. Dean

Would like to Kucinich in place of Dean but have to be realistic.

[dweller]

45. go ahead

you know you want to, and should too!
:)

dp

[JohnKleeb]

46. Yeah

I can see people being "pragmatic" if you will with their number 1 choice but with their number 2., wow.

[Kanola]

48. Dean than Clark

n/t

[AnnitaR]

49. Clark is my top choice, then Dean. n/t

[douginmarshall]

50. Lieberman?

Is there no support for Jo here? He gets 0 votes so far. What happened to him and when will he drop out?

[douginmarshall]

83. Gore and Lieberman

Gore endorsing Dean has got to put the nail in Joe's coffin.:-) :toast:

This is Joe today :cry:

[Dr.Phool]

51. Florida Convention

I heard 6 candidates, this weekend in Orlando. I left with some different impressions than I arrived with. Howard Dean electrified the delegates, but I was partial, because I supported Dean going in. I liked Kucinich before Dean got in the race.

John Kerry gave a great speech, and was very good during the Q & A session. I like him more now.

I didn't care much for Edwards going in, but he changed my mind. He has the same passion as Clinton, and is right there on the issues. He'd make a great VP on anyones ticket.

Wesley Clark came off as a manequin, and talked mainly about his career. Nice entertainment, but how does that qualify him to be president.

Kucinich is a great congressman, and should stay there. He was my Rep, when lived in Cleveland.

Iwas sick Sat morning and missed Gephardt. And finally Joe, go back home.

[efront]

52. 1) Edwards 2) Kerry or Dean

nm

[beyurslf]

53. 1st is Dean

I will support whoever the nominee is after that. I like CMB quite a bit so I can list her as my #2, although I can't see her lasting longer than Dean.

[Anaxamander]

54. Dean/Clark (nt)

[Anaxamander]

71. Change that to Clark/Dean... so hard to choose! (nt)

[Lydia Leftcoast]

55. Kucinich

followed by Unnamed Democrat.

My dream ticket would be Kucinich/Edwards. On the Daily Show, Dennis said that Edwards was the other candidate that he got along with best.

[Forkboy]

56. Kucinich then Braun

After that it's a dogfight for third.

And yes,I'm used to diappointment.

[virtualobserver]

57. Dean-Clark n/t

[douginmarshall]

59. What does n/t mean?

[OhioStateProgressive]

60. no thread, or no text (nt)

[douginmarshall]

58. new update

after 56 posts

Dean 8
Clark 20

Dean 13
Kerry 11

Dean 13
Edwards 13

Dean 13
Kucinich 10

Dean 13
Gephart 3

Dean 13
Braun 23

Dean 13
Sharpton 1

Dean 13
lieberman 0

[NewYorkerfromMass]

61. Kerry Edwards nt

[paulk]

62. kerry

then clark/edwards tied for 2nd

[LuminousX]

63. Dean/Kerry

[kang]

64. Clark, then Dean by default

since Dean will most likely be the guy if Clark isn't.

[leftbend]

65. Kucinich first

then Kerry or Edwards

[Demobrat]

66. I have no second.

Luckily, that's not a problem for me.

[Freddie Stubbs]

67. Dean/Clark (n/t)

[LSdemocrat]

68. Dean, Clark

[batesboys]

69. Kerry - Gep

with Edwards (maybe Graham) as VP

[Desertrose]

70. Kucinich...then.......Kucinich

sorry...not ready to consider any other options yet....

Kucinich-Edwards ticket might be interesting.....

:shrug:


Peace
DR

[Zynx]

72. Dean/Clark

[MariaS]

73. Clark/Graham

Sorry I just really like Bob Graham.

[UnapologeticLiberal]

74. Dean first, then Kerry

I want Dean, but if he does not get the nomination then Kerry is our best hope for a liberal president.

[killbotfactory]

75. Dean, Clark

I don't see either one dropping out soon

[GOPBasher]

76. First Clark, second is Dean

[uconnyc]

77. my choices:

1) Edwards

2) Clark

3) Gephardt

4) Would stay home and wait for the general election if the above 3 are not on the ballot.

[grannylib]

79. First choice Clark; Second, Dean (today, anyway!)

[phillybri]

80. Clark-Dean

:dem:

[douginmarshall]

82. phillybri what happened?

What convinced you to switch?

[rbnyc]

81. Kucinich/Dean (nt)

[tobys]

101. Kucinich, then Dean

Cause they both have true grassroots support.

[TexasPatriot]

84. Clark - Kerry (nt)

[LouisFC]

85. Clark

Kerry

[Think Globally]

86. Kucinich - Braun

Then Sharpton. If you put a gun to my head I might vote for Dean, but he's looking less appealing by the day.

[douginmarshall]

87. New totals

After 86 posts

Dean 15
:-)Clark 31 :toast:

Dean 25
Kerry 18

Dean 25
Edwards 18

Dean 24
Kucinich 14

Dean 25
Gephart 4

Dean 25
Braun 4

Dean 25
Sharpton 1

Dean 25
lieberman 0 :toast:

[douginmarshall]

88. If you don't want Dean switch to Clark

I know this is not scientific but look at the numbers and this is what I have felt all along. The core of the Democratic Party has aligned with a candidate. The question is who is going to drop out and where will their support go. If they were going to support Dean they would already be there. General Clark is the clear answer to both Dean and Bush.

It is time for all the supporters of Gephardt, Kerry, Lieberman, and Edwards to make the switch to make sure we win in November.

I like Howard Dean and will work hard for him if he is the nominee. I just believe that if Dean is who I work for I will be spending election night like I did in 80, 84, and 88, crying in my beer.

This is what I want to do in November :toast:

[GreenPartyVoter]

89. Kucinich Dean

Carol was my original second choice, but my gut is telling me Dean's gonna be the guy.

[maxr4clark]

90. Clark...........................................Sharpton/Dean

Clark IMO is by far the best candidate.

I would love to be able to vote for Sharpton; he makes good points, and he makes them with style. Unfortunately I think he has a past that is too shady to make him electable.

I don't like any of the other candidates much better than each other, so for an electable second candidate, I would go with the majority and say Dean.

[SheilaT]

91. Dean

I seriously doubt he will be dropping out. Not until the convention anyway. If he's not nominated, I will support the nominee.

I hope all the rest of you will support the nominee, even if he's Dean. How many of you were saying Anyone But Bush not to long ago? If you really mean it, you'll support Dean in the end.

[DrFunkenstein]

92. Kerry Then Edwards Or Clark (Both Swell Fellas)

n/t

[molly]

95. Me too!

[Meshuga]

103. I couldn't agree more... n/t

[Crunchy Frog]

93. Clark then Dean

Then ABB except for Lieberman.

[beyurslf]

96. Dean 1

CMB 2

[snyttri]

98. Clark. then Kerry

[adadem]

100. Kerry - Clark - Gephardt - Edwards n/t

[douginmarshall]

104. this is the latest

After 103 posts

Dean 23
Clark 36

Dean 32
Kerry 20

Dean 32
Edwards 19

Dean 30
Kucinich 18

Dean 33
Gephart 4

Dean 33
Braun 4

Dean 32
Sharpton 2

Dean 33
Lieberman 0

[molly]

105. Kerry - Clark - Edwards

[cyclezealot]

106. Kucinich/Edwards

Whatever candidate wins the nomination...- doesn't solve all of our health insurance needs of those aged 52-65 - then I will have little enthusism...Clinton said this is 1992, I expect an answer. When will American's get tired of how employers' toy with us over part time jobs vs. full time jobs- just to deny us benefits....
We tolerate this crap. seems Americans have some kind of mental disconnect with reality, as to how life has to be...
Kucinich.. After that I think those that would solve this problem are Braun, Sharpton, and Nader. No one else...
ps I meant Edwards for VP....Not second choice for Prez...

[KaraokeKarlton]

108. Dean and then write in Dean

n/t

[GreenArrow]

109. Kucinich

no second, really.

[cindyw]

110. Kerry/Clark

[DjTj]

112. 1) Edwards 2) Clark

[DemDogs]

113. Edwards #1 probably Gephardt (n/t)

[MontecitoDem]

114. Clark - Kerry

[Bill of Rights]

118. Clark

Kerry
Gephardt
Edwards

[jmaier]

119. Clark then Dean

[Nadienne]

122. Kucinich/Kerry or Edwards

How's the tally goin'?

[douginmarshall]

125. Just did it

Check out post # 121

[Buffy]

123. Clark then Gephardt

Hey - it's my first post here!

[douginmarshall]

124. Welcome

And you voted for the right guy.

Are you Buffy the Bush Slayer?

[LouisFC]

127. Clark

Kerry

[jhmay]

128. Clark/Dean

[molly]

129. Kerry - Clark - Edwards

[Mz Pip]

130. Clark then Edwards

I have a soft spot in my heart for Kucinich but I am a realist. Sigh.

MzPip
:dem:

[George_Bonanza]

131. Kerry/Clark-Dean

Kerry is the choice in my heart. Clark-Dean is my backup based on mostly pragmatic reasons.

[Sean Reynolds]

132. 1. Dean - 2. Braun

It was Kucinich, but I wont go into why I changed that. He's my number 3 now.

[angee_is_mad]

133. Clark, Clark?

Seriously, Clark, then Gephardt(maybe Kerry).

[douginmarshall]

134. Gephardt?

only his 7th vote

[Kerridwyn]

135. Kucinich / Dean

n/t

[douginmarshall]

136. Need more votes

:party: :toast: :kick:

[Tom Rinaldo]

137. Clark, Kerry, Dean, Edwards, in that order. n/t

[yaledem]

138. 1. Edwards

2. Clark

[cyclezealot]

139. No one but Kucinich

I especially liked it when Kucinich said America is at a moral crossroads.. He said a country which denies its citizens medical treatment is un-moral. I agree...If a candidate does not adhere to this principal, I can't get too excited about that candidate.
Recall, once the premise of social democracy is you owe the state your allegiance and potentially your lives, if the state had a social contract and took care of its citizens...
I see no 'Social Contract' in America....No medical plan for our citizens is a moral crossroad...Either you agree or don't...
The thing it would save our business lots of overhead and employers could stop playing games with our jobs..I would think it a relief to not have to waste HR personnel looking into over expensive medical plans and balance costs with the needs of their employees.
The tax for medical insurance would be less than 8% and I think employers are paying like 10% of your salary to medical insurance plans. This would make American jobs more competitive.
This is a litmus test and only Kucinich passes..
Yes, the insurance industry has more clout than other lobbyists..

[Party of the People]

147. Please confirm:

Are you intending to vote for Bush or not to vote at all if Kucinich does not get the nomination?

Do you seriously believe there will be no differences if it is another democrat rather than Bush in the WH? Please think of the judicial appointments and executive orders at least!

[Padraig18]

140. Dean #1, Clark #2. n/t

[Eurobabe]

141. Clark

Hillary

[Byronic]

142. Kerry, then Edwards, then Clark

[douginmarshall]

143. NEW TOTALS

:bounce: :think:

After 142 posts

Dean 27
Clark 52

Dean 38
Kerry 31

Dean 38
Edwards 29

Dean 36
Kucinich 25

Dean 40
Gephart 7

Dean 40
Braun 4

Dean 39
Sharpton 2

Dean 40
Lieberman 0

[efront]

159. I don't understand the way you've totaled the posts.

Maybe I'm stupid, but your totals make no sense to me.

[douginmarshall]

161. look at post #102

[VOX]

144. First: Clark. Second: Dean.

n/t

[MichDem10]

145. #1 - Edwards #2 - Kerry

:dem:

[Party of the People]

146. I support Clark

mostly because I believe he is the only democrat who can beat Bush.

So, the 2nd choice is therefore ABB.

I do like Edwards, but I just don't think he could win...

Clark/Edwards?

[maxr4clark]

150. Clark/Edwards is unlikely

If Clark wins the nomination, I don't see what Edwards would add to the ticket. Clark will have to win in the South, which is what Edwards might provide to one of the New England candidates as a running mate. Dean/Edwards would make more sense from the perspective of electability, but I still like the Clark/Kerry ticket idea. That one combines south and north, outsider and insider, and foreign policy/domestic policy; I think it is by far the strongest ticket formed from two candidates.

[Party of the People]

153. I'm thinking Clark

may go outside the list of candidates for president...

[maxr4clark]

154. Me too

...but if he chooses from among the candidates, I would see him choosing Kerry. I hope Kerry drops out after NH and fights for his seat in the Senate; we need all the Democrats there we can get.

[jadesfire]

148. Kerry - Edwards

Couldn't find a better ticket...

well, maybe hillary (how fun would that be?)

[douginmarshall]

156. Not looking for VP

Remember that we are not looking for who you want to be your candidate's VP but who you will support for president if your candidate drops out.

[jjmalonejr]

149. Kerry 1st, Clark 2nd, Edwards/Dean tied for 3rd

[no name no slogan]

151. #1: Kucinich;

#1: Kucinich
#2: Sharpton/Kerry/Edwards (3-way tie)
#3: ABB, including "inanimate carbon rod".

That's all.

[zulchzulu]

152. Kerry/Hold my nose

[virtualobserver]

155. 1. Dean 2. Clark n/t

[SayitAintSo]

157. Clark - Kerry

I fear that Dean is not electable...

[davidinalameda]

158. Clark and then probably Kerry

[Sinistrous]

160. 1. Kerry; 2. Dean

.

[NV1962]

162. 1-Clark 2-Dean 3-Hillary write-in...

My #3 write-in candidate looks better by the day, though... Just picture the GOPers panicking... :evilgrin:

[revcarol]

163. Kucinich, and Kucinich

Sharpton 3rd, Edwards for DK's VP

[mourningdove92]

164. 1st Edwards, 2nd Clark

:kick:

ABB

[DLCfromGA]

165. 1 and 2

1. Lieberman circa 1999
2. Wes Clark

[douginmarshall]

166. 1st vote for Joe

:toast: :party: :bounce:

What has happened to Joe?

[LA4Kerry]

167. 1. Kerry 2. Edwards or Clark

Having Kerry as my first choice, I don't really think I need a 2nd choice -- Kerry has it all!

[Native]

168. Kerry

then Clark

[revcarol]

169. Kucinch/watch the others.

NO ONE has the moxie and workable plans that DK has.

THE EYES THAT SEE THROUGH THE LIES.DK.

[douginmarshall]

170. New totals

:kick:

After 170 posts

Dean 29
Clark 62

Dean 41
Kerry 41

Dean 42
Edwards 35

Dean 40
Kucinich 28

Dean 41
Gephart 7

Dean 44
Braun 4

Dean 43
Sharpton 4

Dean 44
Lieberman 1

[poskonig]

171. Dean, then Kerry.

Kerry has been a solid liberal for many years. While his recent conversion to Bushlite has me baffled, I trust him more than some of the other credible candidates.

[diamondsoul]

172. Kucinich and Kucinich write-in n/t

[Sugarbleus]

173. 1. Kucinich 2. Dean 3. CMB n/t