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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:11 PM
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EBay's PayPal funds freeze plan draws fire
EBay's new policy of holding PayPal funds on "high-risk" transactions for up to 21 days has business owners spooked.

(FORTUNE Small Business) -- In the uproar that erupted over the planned fee hikes and other policy changes eBay announced last week, one drew particular ire and incredulity: eBay's plan hold payments sent through its PayPal payment service for up to 21 days in certain circumstances.

The freeze will apply to transactions eBay (EBAY, Fortune 500) considers high-risk, and is intended to protect buyers from the hazards of a bad transaction. By hanging on to funds, eBay can easily refund them if a seller doesn't ship a purchased item or sends damaged goods.

What is sparking reactions ranging from annoyance to panic among some of eBay's sellers is the company's criteria for determining what transactions fall into the "high-risk" category. Factors beyond sellers' control, including the number of "feedback" comments they have from previous buyers and how many of those comments are positive, can trigger the freeze.

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Representatives from PayPal, which eBay acquired in 2002, declined to comment on how the new policy would affect individual cases, but noted that the changes are paired with increased protections for merchants who use the service.

Fortune


Holding and have use of money for 21 days? What happen to the benefits of electronic transactions? Can you imagine the chaos if all banking institutions decided to do the same?
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:27 PM
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1. it is also a way for ebay to make more money
holding the cash while collecting interest.
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justinboston2008 Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:30 PM
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2. Who gets the interest on that hold??
I have always thought of these schemes as a way for the bank, or Paypal in this case to generate revenue off of the interest gained by holding these transactions. When you look at the volume of these transactions, they stand to make out quite well.
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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:54 PM
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3. i got this email about an ebay boycott
because of all of this....here it is...

Info for you EBAY users

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This was sent to me via email, thought some of you might be interested.



Hi everyone,

This post is a really serious topic about Ebay. I'm posting this everywhere I know how to get the word out. If you're not in a good mood, come back to it later.

I'm not sure if everyone is aware of this, but Ebay is making drastic changes for people who sell and buy on Ebay. If one looks at it from the surface, the changes don't seem too bad. But if you look a little deeper, they're really very scarey.

Many sellers and buyers are going to be having a strike on February 18th through February 25 that includes no buying, no listing, no selling, no auctions on those days. If possible, if you are an Ebay buyer and seller, I would really appreciate it if you could honor those dates, for nothing else, then on MY behalf because the changes have the possibility to really hurt me as a seller.

Right now, the Ebay marketing machine is billing these changes as "fee reductions" and that is what the media initally reported because they way the changes were announced were quite deceptive. But, for those of you who aren't really super active on Ebay and are wondering what all the changes entail, a summary of them follows.

First, they are reducing the listing fee by 5 cents and making Gallery free. On the surface this looks great and this is how they are marketing the change - as a "fee reduction". However, if you read the fine print you'll find that they are slyly raising Final Value Fees (The fee the seller pays when the item sells at auction) by as much as 33% to 66% for some sellers. The percentage of increase differs by seller because all sellers sell items with different values and the Final Value Fee is based on the dollar amount of the item. So we save a nickel to list an item, but pay 33% more after the auction is over. This first part of the changes, while quite disgusting, IS bearable.

Second, they are removing the ability for sellers to leave feedback for buyers. Now, Ebay has always been successful on the basis of both buyer and seller being able to rate each other based on the success of a single transaction. They are removing this for sellers. This is very scarey for the seller population because as sellers, we already are held hostage by what we call "Feedback Extortionist Buyers". These are the buyers that buy something in an auction and then send an email that says "You send me the item free or I will leave you a negative and ruin your Ebay reputation!". While people like this are quite few and far between, they do exist. I've got over 792 transactions and I've come across 4 difficult buyers who no matter what I couldn't please them. I managed to scrape by without a negative because they were booted from Ebay, but the point of the matter is that while most buyers are wonderful, these psycho types of buyers DO exist. Now with this new feedback system, ONE rogue buyer (and even my selling competition) could ruin my reputation very easily. Even if I provided a 100% perfect transaction and the item was received the very same day and all was perfect with the world, that one person could ruin me if they wanted to. All they would need to do is buy 5 or 10 items from me and leave five feedbacks separately - because each and every negative will count against the seller. This would mean the end of my store and my business on Ebay over one rogue buyer. Why? Read the next section.

Third, as if one and two weren't bad enough, if a seller has below a 95% satisfaction rating on Ebay, Ebay will not display your auctions in the search engine. For example, if I sell 20 items one month and 1 of them has a neutral or negative left for it by a buyer (deserved or not), I can no longer list auctions on Ebay and have them be seen in the search engine. Yes, thats right. I can list, Ebay will take my money, but all of my auctions will be on page 857 of the listing and never be seen by any buyers. So once I get one negative, it is virtually impossible to recover from that by selling additional items becuase non of my items will be seen to be purchased by another buyer later. Its a no win situation for a seller.

Fourth, as if all of this wasn't the most horrific thing you've ever heard, they're making changes to Pay Pal - which is the method most people use to accept payment over Ebay. From now on, if you have less than 100 feedback and you sell an item Pay Pal will not give you your money for 21 (TWENTY ONE DAYS!). Yes, you read that right. Say, Susie sells a 50 dollar item and the buyer pays through Pay Pal. Susie is then forced to ship the item FREE without any payment. After 21 days has passed, THEN Pay Pal will forward Susie her money. This folks is just horrible. Do you know anywhere else on the planet where you can demand that someone selling you an item give you the item FREE and ship it to you FREE while you hold on to your money for 21 entire days? I sure don't. On top of this "under 100 feedback" thing, again if I have less than a 95% rating or get one negative or get one neutral - again - Pay Pal will hold my money for 21 days. Imagine how must interest Pay Pal and Ebay will accumulate on billions of dollars being held in 21 day incriments - yet another disguesting way for them to squeeze MORE money out of the system.

Fifth, they instituted "Seller Rewards". Essentially, if you meet certain criteria as a seller you can earn 15% credit on your account. The catch is that you have to sell 1,000 dollars or more on your account every month and have to have a 4.8 rating on all your "stars". I feel that these guidelines are impossible to reach and that they were designed to be impossible to reach on purpose so that Ebay, yet again, would not have to actually pay out the discounts. To give you an example of how hard these are to reach, out of Ebay's top 500 Powersellers (These people are the creme of the crop on Ebay and make lilke $100,000 a month on Ebay)...anyway out of tje top 500 of them, only SEVEN qualify for the 15% discount. SEVEN.

And finally, when all these changes were announced, the Ebay sellers went ballistic. The response from Ebay management? We were told that our complaints and nager and frustration and tears were - and I quote - "NOISE!". Yes, we are nothing but "noise" to the Ebay management, yet they are making million dollar salaries off of us.

I know I am so mad, myself. I have 100% positive feedback and I've completed almost 800 transactions. I'm not a bad seller and I bend over backwards to make a buyer happy. I have a very good record. But ALL THAT HARD WORK and ONE rogue person could ruin it for me. Or even someone who competes against me can very easily get a new nick, by stuff from me, leave negs - and take my listings right out the search engine!!). It's not fair at all. Not to mention, if somehow I do screw up or get a rogue buyer, Pay Pal won't even let me have my money for 21 days. When you do this type of work full time, that is a terrifying thought.

So I'm here to beg you guys, if possible, and even if you don't understand all the ins and outs of Ebay and what a seller has to go through to sell on Ebay - PLEASE RESPECT THE STRIKE we are organizing. Please! Please don't buy or sell on Ebay from Feb 18th through Feb 25th. Please tell your friends and family members to do the same. We know that not everyone can respect it - some people make ends meet by selling on Ebay. But for those of you who can, us sellers would very much appreciate it if you could respect the strike on those days.

Also - if you are an Ebay seller - and you are angry like the rest of us, CNN and FORBES is quite interested in how we feel. Quite a few people, including myself have flocked to CNN MONEY to get their attention. So far, the comments and anger and speaking out are actually working - the media is starting to pay attention and Ebay has stepped up their marketing tactics. We feel that they're getting a little worried over all the outrage.

Here is a link to the CNN MONEY site where you can leave a comment along side other sellers if you wish: http://fsbfeatures.blogs.fsb.cnn.com/20 ... rebellion/

You can also email Stacy Cowley at stacy_cowley@fortunemail.com This is the CNN Money Web Editor who is reporting that an investigation by the media is currently ongoing.

If you've made it this far in this long email, thank you!
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:56 PM
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4. this would be good - I stopped buying on ebay because of a scammer
he might not have gone on as long if this had been in place - and I would have been able to get my money back - he was gone long before they caught up with him - I flagged about 15 items of his when I realized I was not the only one not receiving my item or any mail

the fee hikes drove me away from selling - the site is now just another BIG BOX store but full of scam artists too

I liked it when it was a flea market
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:39 PM
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5. and....the seller is prohibited now from leaving bad or neutral feedback
So the seller is assuming ALL the risk now.

eBay is ruined. Ruined.
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 06:09 PM
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6. Maybe ebay is signaling the days of the small sellers is over.
GM To List Used-Car Inventory On eBay

February 08, 2008: 03:29 PM EST


DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

General Motors Corp. (GM) said it signed a deal with eBay Inc. (EBAY) to list its entire inventory of used cars on the Internet-auction site.

The Detroit-based automaker said it will list more than 3,900 GM Certified Used Vehicles, each with fewer than 60,000 miles and aged six years or less, on www.ebaymotors.com at no cost to its dealers.

GM said the two companies will develop marketing and other offerings designed to drive leads and sales to dealers, who will benefit from the exposure to eBay's 11 million unique monthly visitors.

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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:17 PM
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7. like outlets that are no longer outlets - I don't shop them anymore
because they are the left overs that didn't sell in the sale reduction or last years, or overruns, or inferior products - the corporations taking over ebay will kill it - I know I am more hesitant in buying there because of the scam artists became more prevalent
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 04:34 AM
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10. I don't know how discounted their prices will be, but I can't imagine
a) purchasing something like a car online (without checking it out, test driving it, etc. first) and
b) purchasing a GM car at any price. I wouldn't even accept one for free.

The same for real estate. Unless I can go walk the property, look into records and all the things one does prior to purchasing the property, I can't imagine buying it online. It might be a good place to advertise your property, but not to buy it.

I think Craig's list is a better venue, and it's usually local when it comes to buying the big stuff.

Might be cool to have a site where during certain time frame you can actually talk live to the owner/seller and see them on a computer cam and see the item, let them turn it around or start it, etc. and answer your questions. Haven't thought it all through, but if ebay starts losing business then I expect there will be new venues to explore for buying/selling online.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:15 AM
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8. This will be unpopular...
.. with some, but I agree totally with at least one aspect of these changes.

The feedback issue.

Feedback has been rendered completely irrelevant because a seller can punish you for telling other buyers that he is not a good seller.

And the buyers don't look at the text they look at the number. I was recently screwed by a seller who sent me broken mismatched junk, and then sent me into an email runaround clearly designed to make me give up, which I eventually, after 3 emails did.

If you leave such a seller a bad feedback, he will simply leave one for you and ruin your rating. The people spending the money should get to rate, not the other way around. As a seller, there is one question to answer, did he pay, on time, or not? If not, don't send him anything. Problem solved.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:23 PM
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9. I agree w/you 100% re: buyer feedback
I mean seriously, wtf is the deal with leaving NEGATIVE feedback for a buyer that has paid in full? Many sellers don't even bother to leave any feedback at all, they just take the money and that is the end of it. Don't dare ask questions from some sellers about when your item may or may not have shipped. If you put even a tiny little chink in their armor, you get a NEGATIVE for no good reason.

Screw you EBAY. I've given up for the most part myself. It has become a home for fraud and abuse. I'm not impressed with these Power Sellers either. Many of them are quite disgusting IMO.

:dem:

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