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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 08:16 PM
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Don't miss a credit card payment, or the APR could soar

Even in the best of times, carrying a balance on your credit card is a risky -- and costly -- proposition. These days, it can be downright foolish, at least if there's a chance you might miss a payment or two.

Millions of cardholders have recently received letters from the likes of Citibank, Bank of America Corp., Wells Fargo & Co. and American Express Co. notifying them that their interest rates are going up, in some cases to 30% if a single payment is missed.

JPMorgan Chase & Co., the nation's largest issuer of plastic, has begun charging hundreds of thousands of cardholders a $10 monthly fee for having carried large balances for more than a couple years.

Why? In part it's because default rates are rising and banks are dealing with additional risk. But lawmakers and consumer advocates say the higher rates also reflect banks' massive losses from betting wrong on the housing boom, and they're basically sticking credit card customers with the tab.

At a Senate Banking Committee hearing last week, Sen. Christopher J. Dodd (D-Conn.), the committee chairman, said lenders are "gouging" customers to boost their bottom lines.

"The list of questionable actions credit card companies are engaged in is lengthy and disturbing," he said.

At the same time, rising layoffs and tough economic conditions have caused many people to lean more heavily on their plastic -- sometimes too heavily.

Corona resident Louis Martinez, 39, is carrying about $45,000 in debt on eight credit cards. He says it's not that he's been deliberately reckless. Rather, the debt piled up after his wife got sick several years ago and half the family's income disappeared.

"What can you do?" Martinez asked. "You still want to provide for your family."

He said he grows more anxious with each bank letter that arrives warning him of potential interest-rate increases.

"I've never missed a payment," Martinez said. "But with the way things are now, I wonder every day how I'm going to get through the month."

By ratcheting up the pressure on customers, major banks -- some of which have received billions of dollars in bailout cash from taxpayers -- are making it likely that a growing percentage will be forced to either default on their obligations or seek bankruptcy protection.

Last week, letters arrived at the homes of Citibank cardholders throughout California warning that their rates could rise to 29.99% if they miss a single payment -- even for cards with low-low-low introductory rates.

Citi customers have the right to decline any such rate hike. But if they do, their account will be closed as soon as the card expires. And that's one of the more generous conditions offered by a leading bank.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-lazarus15-2009feb15,0,1994750.column

If the Congress doesn't stop them from doing this it will be a diaster.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 08:21 PM
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1. legalized loan-sharking. what a pitiful way to run a society.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 08:21 PM
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2. My Husband had a heart
attack and had to take an early retirement. Our APR soared just because of the change in our income even though my we hadn't had any late payments.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 09:14 PM
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3. I haven't owned a credit card that charges interest in 20+ years. Amex & debit card work just fine.
We used to send folks away to the "big house" for years for charging what credit cards get away with now. We still should.

Shred your interest-charging credit cards NOW.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 12:20 PM
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12. I agree...America stop playing with fire...
Anyone who owns an interest-bearing credit card is playing with fire.

This is not a game to these companies. They have rooms full of people who invent new
ways to screw over consumers. They work on it night and day.

Why hand your lives over to these evil, greedy companies--who have the power to destroy your life?

I have empathy for anyone who falls into dire economic circumstances. Using credit-cards is an easy fix, but
so is getting a loan from Tony Soprano. Don't frickin do it.

Does anyone really think it's some kind of accident that Congress passed a law--stating that cc companies must stop the exorbitant
fees and soaring interest rates--and that they must stop all of this sometime in 2010 ?????

They have an entire year to nail your ass to the wall---and believe me, that's their goal.

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Snarkoleptic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 09:30 PM
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4. It's uglier than it sounds. There is also a universal default clause employed by most.
If you have a 30-day late on one, the others can also run up your rate to the default rate, which is often 30% (or so).
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The Brethren Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 11:26 PM
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7. Speaking of default clauses,

I listened to an economist warned via a radio interview about a yr. and half ago that not only were heading exactly into the crisis we are now, but he specifically warned of "hidden" in property loans for ex. that include a default clause where if the bank or lender choose to use it they can foreclose on your property even if the owner has been making current and regular payments.

The clause is based on an economic precautionary action. In other words, if the economy becomes very unstable, such as now, then a lender legally can take your home if they deem, based on your income level, that you may not be able to keep up with your payments even if you currently are paying on time.

The logic behind this is that is if the lender feels you suddenly lose your job, they may wonder if you have enough put aside to make payments till you have another job, or even if you can afford a sudden jump in cost of living while still working given a volatile market. Thus, you would be looked upon as potentially unstable. I don't remember what he called this clause, but if you're a homeowner I thought you may want to double check your contract to see it is listed in it....most likely in the "fine print". If it is listed in your contract, according to the economist, unless laws in your area protect you from this, then your lender can take your house if they choose to. Legal or not, I think this makes no sense and is an unethical way for a lender to do business.



The Stimulus Plan ("American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009"): Orig. House version -- http://appropriations.house.gov/pdf/RecoveryBill01-15-09.pdf , House spreadsheet -- http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pV-c6t5fOVmNorqMpHvnCMw ; Senate version -- http://appropriations.senate.gov/News/2009_02_02_The_American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act_of_2009.pdf ; and Senate compromise -- http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-1 , Text and $$$ details of Senate compromise -- http://appropriations.senate.gov/News/2009_02_08_UPDATED_Appropriations_Provisions_of_American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act.pdf?CFID=4043629&CFTOKEN=40573040 in addition to -- http://readthestimulus.org/amdth1.pdf ; along with -- http://www.readthestimulus.org/ .
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 08:37 AM
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11. Not likely to be an issue
Lenders are halting foreclosures/evictions on properties that are already in default, they have no incentive right now to create new REO properties - they can't even handle the volume they have.
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HOLOS Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 10:47 PM
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5. Stop Paying Credit Cards!! Totally Fraudulent!!
Turn off your phone, they try to scare us w/ constant call by guys from Mumbai or Costa Rico who are paid on commission...they stop in year...nothing else they can do...it is NOT illegal to stop CC payments. Put the money into economy where it can do some good. Old financial system must fall to create a more Just system for we the people, not patch the old corrupt, greed gorged Wall Street Hell.

No on is paying their fraudulent, usurious cards...anymore...Americans have had it, going on strike!!!

Why continue paying these Bank Rapists...haven't they slaughtered USA enough?? Are we COWS??
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 10:50 PM
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6. I got a letter like that on my Sears credit card
And that's the one I started using several years ago because it sucked less than my old Citibank card.

Luckily I always pay off my balance and don't intend to change that state of affairs -- but they're not making it easy, because the statements are arriving closer and closer to the due date. Around Christmas, I had to drive over to the Sears Hardware store to pay in person because there was no longer sufficient time by the day the statement arrived to pay by mail.

For that reason, I've added a recurring reminder item to check online around the 12th of the month for the next due date and amount. Since they have the amounts calculated three weeks before the bill is due, you know it's got to be deliberate that the actual statements don't arrive until the last minute.

I'm seriously starting to wonder if it's worth using the card at all. It's a convenience, but that may not justify the anxiety.

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The Brethren Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 11:47 PM
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8. I have been advising family and friends alike
to please try and pay off what they can of their bills, particularly interest bills (credit) and then stop using any credit cards they can. But even above that, I really hope that Americans who are losing jobs and are desperately trying to figure out how to manage what money they have will put make their mortgages and property taxes a bigger priority then credit bills. Because if it comes down to paying on your home and property taxes vs. credit expenses, then i hope you will do what you can not to lose your home.

And if that happens and the credit collectors start complaining....then "let them eat cake". Similarly, for renters -- I hope you'll make keeping up on your rent a top priority.

Side note; I wonder what will happen if things get a whole lot worse, as I suspect they will, and it gets to a point where credit companies stop paying merchants for goods that you purchase even if you pay on your credit card expense? Will they be held accountable or the card holder? My guess would be the credit companies, but I am already seeing some nasty business practices going on involving credit companies so I wouldn't be surprise if they don't at some pt. try and stick card holder with that expense.




The Stimulus Plan ("American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009"): Orig. House version -- http://appropriations.house.gov/pdf/RecoveryBill01-15-09.pdf , House spreadsheet -- http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pV-c6t5fOVmNorqMpHvnCMw ; Senate version -- http://appropriations.senate.gov/News/2009_02_02_The_American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act_of_2009.pdf ; and Senate compromise -- http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-1 , Text and $$$ details of Senate compromise -- http://appropriations.senate.gov/News/2009_02_08_UPDATED_Appropriations_Provisions_of_American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act.pdf?CFID=4043629&CFTOKEN=40573040 in addition to -- http://readthestimulus.org/amdth1.pdf ; along with -- http://www.readthestimulus.org/ .
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FunkyLeprechaun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 03:01 AM
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9. I still had a credit card in the US
That I used for emergencies only. My mum IMed me to tell me this news and I said that's disgusting! I still have a bank account in the US (that my parents look after) so I'll keep that. Meanwhile, my mum cancelled my credit card (it was CapitalOne). I'm going to look at credit cards here in the UK, just need to find out which one is the best. I think it's important to me to have some sort of credit (I've just started to do big purchases such as a house, but I didn't use my CC for either of them but the mortgage company asked for some sort of proof of my credit).

My mum put it this way, if she was gone for two weeks and missed a payment, she'd get gouged (they also looked after my CC bills, which didn't really matter as I hardly ever used my CC).

I agree with the above poster. Pay off what you can and cancel your credit card. The article didn't mention CapitalOne but I'm assuming my mum got a letter in the mail saying that my APR was being adjusted (she told me it was being changed to 26%). She said it was disgusting that they were doing it in the face of this economy.

They just lost a customer who had hardly ever used her credit card. It's disgusting.
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mashimaro Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 07:23 AM
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10. BofA sucks anyway
I had a late payment several years ago, I sent it and it just didn't get there. But they jumped the rate to 14% from 6%. I called them they wouldn't reduce the rate so I just switched the amount to another low rate card. I guess they didn't believe I would do it then I canceled the card. I would never use BofA again.

Early last year I had a Visa I hadn't used in several years. They sent a letter saying they would cancel my account if I didn't use it. So I said ok cancel then. A month later I got a letter saying they would lower my rates if I wanted to keep it. Weird! They did eventually close the account.

I have a many other cards that pay the 3% cash back that I use today for gas, groceries and bills. Gets me an extra $50 every two months. Sweet! I pay the cards off every month so they don't get to charge their interest and when I reach the point cap I just switch to another card.
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