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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 10:52 PM
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An Artificial Sun Rising
Edited on Mon May-26-08 11:15 PM by Dover
Remember this? I was looking for an update, and thought I'd just post these stories again of various "artificial sun" projects:

Russians to Test Space Mirror As Giant Night Light for Earth
By WARREN E. LEARY
January 12, 1993

RUSSIAN scientists are planning soon to unfurl a glistening sheet of plastic in space as a first step toward testing an intriguing notion about turning night into day -- or at least twilight.

Tucked aboard a Progress cargo spacecraft attached to the Mir space station is an experiment called Znamya, or Banner, that will test the idea of using a mirror in space to reflect sunlight down to Earth.

If all goes as planned, the Banner payload will be deployed next month to unfurl into a 65-foot-diameter disk of aluminum-coated plastic film. The experiment will test the feasibility of illuminating points on Earth with light equivalent to that of several full moons.

Russian engineers say it should also teach them a lot about handling thin sheets of plastic in space, a step toward developing large sails to propel ships in space using the faint force of sunlight.

..snip..

The Sun is always shining somewhere on Earth, of course, if not always where people need or want it. But what if someone put a big reflector high in space to peer over the curvature of Earth, capture some of the Sun's rays and shine them down on the dark side?

In much the way a schoolchild playing with a hand mirror learns to reflect a spot of light from a bright window into the crannies of his room, some scientists believe they can put large, orbiting mirrors above Earth that could illuminate darkened areas below with spots of reflected sunlight that measure tens of miles across.

If it can be done, proponents say, providing sunshine at night could save billions of dollars each year in electrical lighting costs, extend twilight hours during planting and harvesting seasons to aid farmers, allow more working hours on large construction projects and help in rescue and recovery operations after natural disasters like earthquakes and hurricanes...cont'd

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CEFDF1630F931A25752C0A965958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

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Artificial Sun
2003

LAST week major world and nuclear powers meeting in Washington took further steps, but encountered a major hurdle, along the road towards a dream project for a nuclear reactor or power-generation system based on fusion rather than the conventional fission-based power plants. The US, Canada, European Union, Russia, Japan, China and South Korea committed themselves firmly to the International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor or ITER Project, the acronym being Latin for “the way”, which, at an estimated US 10 billion dollar (Rs 47000 crore) is the largest international collaborative research and development Project since the Space Station. But they also failed to decide upon where to locate the Project, the two main contenders being France and Japan, with geo-political considerations playing the main role in the postponement of this decision.

Before we discuss the various issues involved and their implications, let us first clarify some of the basics. Put simply, fission reactions are based on splitting atoms releasing huge quantities of energy as during the first nuclear bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Fusion reactions, on the other hand, are based on forcing the nuclei of atoms together releasing even greater amounts of energy, as in the Hydrogen Bomb but also, more commonly, as in the sun and the stars...cont'd

http://cpim.org/pd/2003/1228/12282003_snd.htm

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Creating "artificial sun"
26 January 2004


Scientists at the Federal Nuclear Centre in Sarov have succeeded in creating the most powerful magnetic field on Earth which allows to preserve energy equal to the Sun`s energy. World physicists are now working hard on the creation of the so-called artificial sun which will satisfy the planet`s demand in energy but only Russia has approached really close to making the discovery.

Area-24 is one of the secret testing grounds of the Federal Nuclear Centre. Something that still seems to be from the field of science fiction is being created far away from populated areas, among snow-covered forests. Under a crude awning is a system that has a magnetic field exceeding the magnetic field of the Earth 50m times. It is created using a powerful explosion. Viktor Selimer, director of scientific research centre of high energy density physics and directed flows of energy emission, All-Russian Scientific Research Institute of Experimental Physics tells:
- It is an explosive, an explosive substance comprising the 50:50 ratio of TNT and hexagon. For example, we were selling the system which you can see here to the USA for the price of Mercedes cars of 600 series. So, it is not that simple. The achievement of the Russian science is being guarded like the gold currency reserve, behind three perimeters of barbed wire. And the secret is made of bronze - only Russian scientists know how to wind correctly 4,800 coils on a reel in order to receive a superpowerful magnetic field.

cont'd


http://www.gateway2russia.com/st/art_186490.php

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China to Build World's 1st "Artificial Sun" Experimental Device
Jan/2006

A full superconducting experimental Tokamak fusion device, which aims to generate infinite, clean nuclear-fusion-based energy, will be built in March or April in Hefei, capital city of east China's Anhui Province.

Experiments with the advanced new device will start in July or August. If the experiments prove successful, China will become the first country in the world to build a full superconducting experimental Tokamak fusion device, nicknamed "artificial sun", experts said.

The project, dubbed EAST (experimental advanced superconducting Tokamak), is being undertaken by the Hefei-based Institute of Plasma Physics under the Chinese Academy of Sciences. It will require a total investment of nearly 300 million yuan (US$37 million), only one fifteenth to one twentieth the cost of similar devices being developed in the other parts of the world.

The new device will be an upgrade of China's first superconducting Tokamak device, dubbed HT-7, which was also built by the plasma physics institute, in partnership with Russia, in the early 1990s. HT-7 made China the fourth country in the world, after Russia, France and Japan, to have such a device...cont'd

http://www.china.org.cn/english/scitech/155948.htm

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Artificial Sun Unveiled
May 2006

The Experimental Advanced Superconducting Tokamak (EAST) (formerly HT-7U), also known as "artificial sun", designed by the Institute of Plasma Physics, the Chinese Academy of Sciences, opened to the public recently.

Over 3,000 residents in Hefei City, capital of central China's Anhui Province went to the Science Island to have a close contact with the "artificial sun".

Most of the visitors were students. Some were primary and middle school students accompanied by their teachers and parents. Some were from local universities of science and technology. People experienced the charm of science as they were amazed at the power of modern science and technology.

..cont'd
http://www.china.org.cn/english/scitech/169184.htm

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New tests conducted on "artificial sun" (2007)


Chinese scientists have begun a new round of tests on the reliability of the experimental thermonuclear fusion reactor, nicknamed "the artificial sun".
The Experimental Advanced Superconducting Tokamak (EAST) fusion reactor, which replicates the energy generating process of the sun, was tested at the Institute of Plasma Physics under the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS) in Hefei, capital of east China's Anhui Province.

The reactor was first tested in September 2006. Since then scientists have made adjustments to improve results.

"The new tests show the reactor is very reliable, and we can repeat the experiments," said Wu Songtao, deputy director of the institute.

This new round of tests will continue till Feb. 10...cont'd

http://english.gov.cn/2007-01/15/content_496715.htm

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For the sake of China's "artificial sun"
2007

On March 19, 2006, the Chinese Academy of Sciences announced the ten most important developments in science and technology in China for 2006. The greatest breakthrough was the Experimental Advanced Superconducting Tokamak (EAST), a superconducting non-circular section nuclear fusion experiment device built at the Hefei Institute of Plasma Physics, also known as an "artificial sun".

However, it is not widely known that scientists are endeavoring to build another tokamak at the Southwestern Institute of Physics (SIP) in Chengdu.

55 million degrees centigrade: the highest temperature on record

Past the Institute's central control room �C where there are dozens of computers �C in the fusion science experiment room, there is a giant device occupying two-thirds of the central space. The oval-shaped device looks like an upside down funnel, with several triangular "horns" stretching out from around the "funnel". It gives the overall impression of a huge five-pointed star. A red flag hangs on the front of the device. The poster beside it reads "China HL-2A".

One of China's major scientific projects, "China HL-2" is a "key component of future fusion reactors," said Yang Qingwei, director of the Office of Tokamak Experimentation and Diagnosis of SIP. It was in here that scientists generated the highest temperatures in Chinese history

http://english.people.com.cn/200703/21/eng20070321_359746.html

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Link to satellites launched:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_artificial_satellites_and_space_probes
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 11:02 PM
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1. i'll rec ...
but i can't shake the feeling of an ant under a magnifying glass.
dp
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NCDem60 Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 11:22 PM
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2. That should be good for
another degree or so warmer. Just what we need.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 02:15 AM
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6. Ant City
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losthills Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 11:49 PM
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3. We need to have Mulder and Scully look into this....
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 11:50 PM
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4. My first thought is, "Space weapon" n/t
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 04:37 PM
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11. You'd be hard pressed to make a weapon out of a solar reflector.
Primarily because you'd need to concentrate a vast amound of light to actually do anything. Since a lot of light is absorbed by the atmosphere, and it's hard to focus on a target from orbit, it's not as simple as a big magnifying glass.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:17 PM
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13. Perpetual sunlight = perpetual input of heat
That could be sufficient to alter weather patterns. Also, most plants require some period of darkness; without it, they do poorly. Together, these might not be enough to kill all the wheat produced in the US, but it could certainly decrease the crop by a significant amount.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:57 PM
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16. Now compare "decreased wheat yields" to "atmospheric nuclear detonation."
As a high-cost, high impact weapon, the former leaves something to be desired.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:10 PM
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17. If something can be used as a weapon, it WILL be used as a weapon
Or at the very least, someone will try to use it as a weapon. History has proven this over and over and over again. I think it is foolish to ignore such precedent.
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 12:17 AM
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5. The circadian rhythm is essential to life on earth
This is a very foolish idea.
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nebenaube Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:43 PM
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14. you nailed it...
most people don't get that tiny little tidbit. But they'll figure it out when their circadian rythmns disassociate and start free running. Think you've seen psychosis yet? :sarcasm:
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 04:57 AM
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7. Only one of the clips was about the mirror
The rest were about fusion technology.

Are you trying to prove that most of us don't read through posts?

You are a very cruel person.

:evilgrin:

--p!
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:09 AM
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8. Uh oh...........caught in the act
by one of those reeeeally thorough readers. You get a star (or artificial sun) on your post.

:applause:

Now extra points if you can find an update on the Russian mirror sun. :thumbsup:
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 03:17 PM
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9. Probably a silly question...
...but did you try this? ;)
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 04:15 PM
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10. Nah....that's far too easy. Makes too much sense. No that won't do at all.

Sometimes feel like Alice in Wonderland?


Thanks.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 07:58 PM
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12. Other than the Russian Space Mirror tale, this shows some real promise
Edited on Tue May-27-08 08:01 PM by tom_paine
Assuming the Chinese aren't Bushing us abouttheir advances, which is certainly possible.

I have said it before and I will say it again. The only feasible way out of the environmental mess, Peak Oil, etc. is the discovery of fusion, the "artificial sun" that will drop our CO2 output dramatically if it could be harnessed in a pollution-free fashion. The process is inherently pollution-free, in theory...but in reality there may be some other pollution byproducts that we have not foreseen.

Still, it like no other thing yet conceived would decrease our CO2 output. It would also likely usher in a new level of high-energy chemistry and physics with unimaginable spinoff technologies.

One thing is also clear. It will also revolutionize the weapons and war business. In the end, humanity being what we are, this might be like giving flamethrowers to monkeys in a paper factory, but it is our ONLY FEASIBLE WAY OUT that doesn't include drastic redecutions in human numbers and a preservation of Western Civilization.

We may push ourselves into extinction by harnessing fusion energy, but it is probably our last and only chance to avoid extinction, and that is a chance well worth taking.


A toast...to the creators of and workers on all the various artificial sun projects. There is not greater work a human being could do at this time, or not much greater work, anyway.

:toast: :beer:

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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:53 PM
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15. This giant Russian space mirror
is a genuinely shitty plan.
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