Another simple poll on Nuclear Power

[Nederland]

Since some of you didn't like to first one, here is a new one. I'm try to get a sense of what people would prefer in overall terms. Consider performance, cost, pollution, etc. So think of this in terms of what type of power plant would you want in your own neighborhood.

Rank the follow forms of energy in terms of which is best:

[Nederland]

1. Question for madokie, jpak, and Warpy

What did you choose? Just curious...

FYI, I voted for the first line: Renewable, Nuclear, Coal.

[GliderGuider]

2. It's hard to interpret the resuilts because of the question wording

What on earth does "best" mean?

[Nederland]

3. What would you prefer in your own backyard

Does that help?

[GliderGuider]

4. OK, that clarifies it. n/t

[OKIsItJustMe]

5. "Coal" in this context (I assume) means "Conventional Coal" and not "Clean Coal"

"http://www.fossil.energy.gov/programs/powersystems/cleancoal/">Clean Coal" might get more votes than "conventional coal."

It might seem unreasonable to vote on a technology which is not currently deployed, but, then, nuclear advocates often cite the safety of reactor designs other than those already in place. (So, perhaps it's not so unreasonable after all.)

[Nederland]

6. Yes

Good point--I'm referring to conventional coal. Personally I think the term "clean coal" is an oxymoron, but I don't want to get into that for the moment.

[Fledermaus]

7. You forgot conservation

The easiest and cheapest way to reduce CO2

[Nederland]

8. No I didn't

This is not a question asking you what approach you think is best to reduce CO2. It is a question of what forms of power are best among the given choices.

[Fledermaus]

37. The fifth fuel...

Energy effieciency is the alternative to coal, natual gas, hydropower, and nuclear. It is the fifth fuel.

[cosmik debris]

9. kick

[kristopher]

10. I'll take solar, wind, natural gas

[depakid]

11. And "poof" out go the lights!

[kristopher]

12. Tell that to Gore.

[depakid]

13. The Eastern seaboard goes dark without nuclear power

just sayin'

[kristopher]

14. Currently it also goes dark without coal; what's your point?

We don't need coal or nuclear.

There is more than enough renewable energy local to the East Coast to meet all demand.

[depakid]

15. Just that renwables alone (or with natural gas that's in depletion in North America)

aren't going to keep the lights on.

The choice unfortunately, boils down to nuclear and coal.

[kristopher]

16. Write a letter to Gore and tell him "you don't know what you're talking about".

Although, of course, we've seen repeatedly that you are the one that doesn't have a clue.

BTW: natural gas is the common term for methane, which in addition to being a fossil fuel, is also a sustainable biofuel.

[depakid]

17. Just the facts as they are

and not as they might be with enough lead time and trillion dollar Apollo projects.

[kristopher]

18. Screw your false choice.

The question asked to rank the forms of energy which are best, then excludes natural gas. Nuclear and coal are both unacceptable forms of energy. Period.

[depakid]

20. "Nuclear and coal are both unacceptable forms of energy. Period. "

Then the lights go out.

Pretty simple arithmetic, really- and I don't like it any better than anyone else.

[kristopher]

21. There you go telling lies again...

[depakid]

24. Numbers don't lie

[kristopher]

25. You aren't "numbers"

But here are some for you:

Kempton, Archer, Garvine, Dhanju and Jacobson, 2007, Large CO2 reductions via offshore wind power matched to inherent storage in energy end-uses. Geophys. Res. Lett., 34, L02817, doi:10.1029/2006GL028016. See summary press release, or full journal article from Geophysical Research Letters (may require payment), or proof (free, but with minor typos).

Available at:
http://www.ocean.udel.edu/windpower/articles.html

[depakid]

30. Sources of electricity in the US:

You can add and subtract the numbers for yourself.

[kristopher]

31. Hahahahahahahahaha

Only nyukyular zombie would think that is a substantive argument.

[Nederland]

23. Gore is just a politician

Don't forget that.

[kristopher]

26. Riiiiiight......

Everyone of them has a Nobel Prize for work on climate change....

[Nederland]

27. That Nobel Prize...

What area of science did he get that for?

Oh yeah, it was a Nobel Peace Prize...

<snicker>

Tell you what. Once Gore creates his own company that actually starts producing things that work I'll be impressed. Until then, he's just another guy making claims in a white paper. I want to see results, not talk.

[kristopher]

28. Which means the other recipients, the IPCC, are....

<snicker, snicker>

[Nederland]

29. ...also winners of a Nobel Peace Prize

What's your point?

[kristopher]

32. What's your point? YOU said "Gore is just a politician"

[Nederland]

33. My point is this

Gore is not the Messiah. He is not all knowing. He is not perfect.

He is not an inventor, researcher or scientist.

He is a guy who takes other people's work and parrots it in front of large audiences. That is all.

I'm sure he is a nice guy and all, but please, he is not an authority on anything and should not be treated as such.

[Howzit]

38. Zet hem in zijn plaats, Nederlander!

[bananas]

39. No, he doesn't just "takes other people's work and parrots it in front of large audiences"

Did you watch his testimony before Congress?
Not just the intro, the rest of it, where he discussed various issues about global warming.
I quoted some of it here, these are his own thoughts based on his own experience: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=115&topic_id=154953&mesg_id=155463
I think you can still watch it at the links here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x480960
He has a very comprehensive understanding of the issues.
Much more comprehensive than some of the people who post here regularly.

[Nederland]

40. Response

I watched it and all it did was reinforce my earlier post. I saw was someone who read other people's work and parroted it before a large audience. If I'm wrong about this, please post a link to any original research or peer reviewed article that Al Gore has produced. Thanks.

[bananas]

41. You're wrong about it.

When he says things like, "I'm sure Bart gets the same questions I used to get about whether those partly finished cooling towers might be used for a grain silo", he's talking from his own personal experience, not just "parroting back" other people's work. You expect him to write a peer reviewed article on that? Bizarre.

He does base his statements on the work of respected scientists, like James Hansen and the scientists at the IPCC. To say he's just parroting back the work of respected scientists is a bizarre way of putting it.

[kristopher]

42. It's a Republican way of putting it; same thing... nt

[hunter]

19. It would be a decent poll if coal wasn't on the list...

New coal power plants should be banned, and old plants shut down.

Nasty stuff coal.

[Nederland]

22. I agree

Just added it for completeness.

[Dead_Parrot]

34. It might be informative...

...to work "natural Gas" in there somewhere, since there seem to be a few people who don't seem to count it as a fossil fuel.

(And I'd be fascinated to know who voted for coal! :shrug:)

[XemaSab]

35. How many trolls are posting in this thread?

:shrug:

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[Dead_Parrot]

36. Hmm. Good point.

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