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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-16-08 11:26 AM Original message |
Hydrogen-fueled cars on tour—"a case of putting the chicken before the egg"—How I love that quote! |
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itsrobert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-16-08 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
1. How many gas stations were available when the first Gasoline Power Car |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-16-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. There was somewhat interesting but disappointing documentary that touched on this |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-16-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. the coal used to make the H2 produces over 8 times the pollution, no to mention the |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-16-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Ummm... |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-16-08 04:34 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. "Electrolysis of water".. will require Nuclear power |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-16-08 08:30 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. I would find that devastating… if it were true… but it's not. |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-16-08 08:59 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. what do these fuel cells contain for fuel...?? |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 07:54 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Do you know anything about the "Hydrogen Cycle?" |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 01:39 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. do you know anything about the conservation of energy, how much it costs to produce the hydrogen, |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Clearly, you haven't really read anything I've posted in this thread |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 03:03 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Let's say you're right about the 100%. |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 07:40 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. What do you know about metal hydride storage? |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 09:18 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Liquifaction %90! |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 09:45 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Ok, why don't you break it down |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 10:08 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Naturally, this requires pulling together a lot of disparate information |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 01:06 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. I'm not too worried about the auto mfgs. |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-16-08 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
2. how much is a case of eggs, anyway? |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-16-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #2 |
12. Hydrogen cars far predate Bush's rise to power |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-16-08 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
3. this is a scam to push H2 from COAL, propaganda.. here is where coal comes from.. link>> |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-16-08 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
6. Hydrogen is not an energy source--it's like a battery. |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-16-08 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
7. Hydrogen economy |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-16-08 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
9. Hydrogen future doable, experts tell Congress—Best-case scenario: cars free from oil by 2050… |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-16-08 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
10. Cheap way to 'split water' could lead to abundant clean fuel |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-16-08 02:53 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Energy density is only ONE element of the problem |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-16-08 03:20 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Wait a moment… |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-16-08 03:35 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. I know why density matters. |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-16-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. This press release you mean? |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-16-08 08:40 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Re MIt: no quantification of efficiency increase (if any) |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 07:44 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Charging and discharging a battery is not 100% efficient |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 10:48 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. No, but over 3x as efficient in a vehicle. |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Well, that's certainly an interesting claim, and quite at odds with this… |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Okay, here's a 2006 report… |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. And here's a paper on the latest results |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 03:11 PM Response to Reply #20 |
32. See post #31. nt |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #18 |
30. Related to the MIT announcement |
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4dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
22. Skip the middle man, go all electric |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 10:21 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. What are you going to do with all the filling stations? |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
35. Wonder how much hydrogen goes for these days? |
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