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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:51 AM
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Swedish researchers confirm Siberian seabead methane leak
Oh fuck.

Swedish researchers working on an international mission have confirmed that methane, a potent greenhouse gas, has started to leak from the permafrost under the Siberian seabed, Dagens Nyheter reported on Saturday.

"The permafrost now has small holes. We have found elevated levels of methane above the water surface and even more in the water just below. It is obvious that the source is the seabed," Örjan Gustafsson, the Swedish leader of the International Siberian Shelf Study, told the newspaper.

http://www.thelocal.se/14032/20080830/

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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:00 AM
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1. Anybody have a thought about whether this is...
actual "permafrost" or BadScienceReporting for "methane hydrates." Sounded more like methane hydrates to me, since I've never heard of permafrost on a sea floor.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:28 PM
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2. There seems to be no scientific reference to the work, but if I'm in the library this weekend, I'll
see if I can find a reference.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 08:50 AM
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8. Try this: "Origin of Pingo-Like Features . . . Possible Relationship To Methane Hydrates"
GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH LETTERS, VOL. 34, L01603, doi:10.1029/2006GL027977, 2007

Origin of pingo-like features on the Beaufort Sea shelf and their possible relationship to decomposing methane gas hydrates

Charles K. Paull and William Ussler III

Monterey Bay Aquarium Research Institute,
Moss Landing, California, USA

Scott R. Dallimore

Natural Resources Canada,
Sidney, British Columbia, Canada

Steve M. Blasco

Natural Resources Canada,
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

Thomas D. Lorenson

U.S. Geological Survey,
Menlo Park, California, USA

Humfrey Melling

Fisheries and Oceans Canada,
Sidney, British Columbia, Canada

Barbara E. Medioli and F. Mark Nixon

Natural Resources Canada,
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Fiona A. McLaughlin

Fisheries and Oceans Canada,
Sidney, British Columbia, Canada



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<4> Little is known about the fate of methane released from decomposing gas hydrate under the Arctic Shelf . Our research was carried out in the offshore areas adjacent to the Tuktoyaktuk Peninsula , an area where many distinct ovoid and concentric-shaped positive relief features, referred to as pingo-like-features or PLFs have been identified on the sea floor. Our supposition was that the PLFs might be formed from methane released from decomposing gas hydrates at depth.

<5> Early researchers studying the submarine geology of the Beaufort Shelf used the name PLF to describe bathymetric features similar to terrestrial pingos observed along the coastal plain in this area . Terrestrial pingos are conical, ice-cored hills or mounds commonly 10–40 m in height and 100 m or more in diameter. The coastal plain adjacent to the Beaufort Sea contains over 1350 pingos, most of which are thought to have formed within a closed system as permafrost aggraded into previously thawed lake basins. The positive relief of most terrestrial pingos is almost entirely attributed to expansion associated with ground ice formation . Submarine PLFs are similar in size to the largest terrestrial pingos, rising as shallow as 18 m below the sea surface. Some, but not all, PLFs emanate from within roughly circular, 1–2 km diameter, 10- to 20-m deep bathymetric depressions, referred to here as moats.

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22] Upon warming caused by transgression, dissociation of intra-permafrost gas hydrate would first occur at the top of the methane hydrate stability field at temperatures substantially less than zero degrees Celsius. In the environment where the gas hydrate is dissociating, decomposing gas hydrate, free gas, and freshwater ice co-exist. For liquid water to occur immediately above the gas hydrate stability zone, substantial quantities of salt or other physical-chemical inhibitors are required. The occurrence of freshwater ice in the PLFs argues against the existence of brines in these sediments.

<23> Industry coring has confirmed that at Admirals Finger PLF, high ground ice contents extend to at least 40 m below the surface. With 30% volumetric ice fraction, the freezing of ground water within a gasified sediment fabric can account for approximately 12 m of heave at the sea floor. Because the relief of many PLFs is more than 12 m, additional material movement is needed to satisfy mass balance and the age of the material.

<24> The occurrence of freshwater ice within the shallow sediments sampled within the Beaufort Shelf is unique to the PLFs and not the surrounding sediments. This implies a subsurface source for the freshwater. Decomposition of gas hydrate within the permafrost would leave behind freshwater ice, because bottom water temperature data and thermal models indicate ground temperatures remain below the freezing point for freshwater for hundreds of meters below the seafloor. Thus, freshwater ice may be carried upwards in the extruded sediments. How water migrates into the gas voids and optically clear ice forms in the subsurface remains unclear.

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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 09:20 AM
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9. You mean like this?


Plenty of Pingu-like features there!

Oh ... "Pingo" not "Pingu"?
Never mind ...
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 09:26 AM
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10. No, I was thinking larger - since these formations are 30+ feet tall . . . .
Hmm . . . maybe the giant penguin with electric tentacles from "Scott Of The Sahara"?
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 03:54 PM
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3. Google translation of Dagens Nyheter news article
Google news has several articles in Swedish about this.
Here's the google translation of one of them,
this may or may not be the Dagens Nyheter article mentioned in the OP:

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dn.se%2FDNet%2Fjsp%2Fpolopoly.jsp%3Fd%3D597%26a%3D822169&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=sv&tl=en

Updated 2008-08-29 23:59
Metangas in Siberia growing klimathot

The powerful greenhouse gas methane has begun to be placed from the coast of Siberia. It confirms Swedish researchers, who use the so far best measurement methods. Metanet can increase the ongoing global warming.

-- The lid of perpetual frost has had small holes in itself. We have found increased levels of methane out of the water and even more in the water just below. It is quite clear that the source is the bottom of the sea, "says Örjan Gustafsson in a satphones to DN.

He is a chemist at the University of Stockholm and the Swedish leader of the expedition International Siberian Shelf Study, ISSS08, the vessel "Smirnitskyi." It is now at eastern Siberia's north coast after just over two weeks' journey from the Norwegian Kirkenes.

The purpose of the expedition is to explore the extent to which greenhouse gas methane avsöndras from Siberia frozen tundra and from the sediments along the coast.

<snip>

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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 09:34 AM
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11. Hmm. That makes it sound as if they're studying both sources.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 04:11 PM
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4. Here's the interview audio, if someone speaks Swedish
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 04:19 PM
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5. OFHWAD
Wish it came as a surprise, but...
:(
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:34 PM
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6. wimper. :(
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:49 AM
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7. Nobody could have foreseen?
Nobody could have foreseen...

Faster than Expected?

Faster than Expected...

:rofl:
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