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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 11:15 AM
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No Way Out Of Dependency On Foreign Oil
"When George W. Bush entered the White House in early 2001, the nation was suffering from a severe "energy crisis" brought on by high gasoline prices, regional shortages of natural gas, and rolling blackouts in California. Most notable was the artificial scarcity of natural gas orchestrated by the Enron Corporation in its rapacious drive for mammoth profits. In response, the President promised to make energy modernization one of his top concerns. However, aside from proposing the initiation of oil drilling in Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, he did little to ameliorate the country's energy woes during his first four years in office. Luckily for him, the energy situation improved slightly as a national economic slowdown depressed demand, leading to a temporary decline in gasoline prices. But now, as Bush approaches his second term in office, another energy crisis looms on the horizon -- one not likely to dissipate of its own accord.

The onset of this new energy crisis was first signaled in January 2004, when Royal Dutch/Shell -- one of the world's leading energy firms – revealed that it had overstated its oil and natural gas reserves by about 20%, the net equivalent of 3.9 billion barrels of oil or the total annual consumption of China and Japan combined. Another indication of crisis came only one month later, when the New York Times revealed that prominent American energy analysts now believe Saudi Arabia, the world's largest oil producer, had exaggerated its future oil production capacity and could soon be facing the wholesale exhaustion of some of its most prolific older fields. Although officials at the U.S. Department of Energy (DoE) insisted that these developments did not foreshadow a near-term contraction in the global supply of energy, warnings increased from energy experts of the imminent arrival of "peak" oil -- the point at which the world's known petroleum fields will attain their highest sustainable yield and commence a long, irreversible decline.

How imminent that peak-oil moment may in fact be has generated considerable debate and disagreement within the specialist community, and the topic has begun to seep into public consciousness. A number of books on peak oil -- Out of Gas by David Goodstein, The End of Oil by Paul Roberts, and The Party's Over by Richard Heinberg, among others -- have appeared in recent months, and a related documentary film, The End of Suburbia, has gained a broad underground audience. As if to acknowledge the seriousness of this debate, the Wall Street Journal reported in September that evidence of a global slowdown in petroleum output can no longer be ignored. While no one can say with certainty that recent developments portend the imminent arrival of peak oil output, there can be no question that global supply shortages will prove increasingly common in the future.

Nor is the evidence of a slowdown in oil output the only sign of an unfolding energy crisis. Of no less significance is the dramatic increase in energy demand from newly-industrialized nations -- especially China. As recently as 1990, the older industrialized countries (including the former Soviet Union) accounted for approximately three-quarters of total worldwide oil consumption. But the consumption of petroleum in developing nations is growing so rapidly -- at three times the rate for developed countries -- that it is soon expected to draw even. To meet the needs of their older customers and satisfy the rising demand from the developing world, the major oil producers will have to boost production at breakneck speed. According to the DoE, total world petroleum output will have to grow by approximately 44 million barrels per day between now and 2025 -- an increase of 57% -- to satisfy anticipated world demand. This increase represents a prodigious amount of oil, the equivalent to total world consumption in 1970, and it is very difficult to imagine where it will all come from (especially given indications of a global slowdown in daily output). If, as appears likely, the world's energy firms prove incapable of satisfying higher levels of international demand, the competition among major consumers for access to the remaining supplies will grow increasingly more severe and stressful."

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http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=2053
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 11:17 AM
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1. When you are bought and paid for by Big Oil, it's hard to think outside
the oil barrel....
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 11:25 AM
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2. It's frustrating that people are so un-creative in their thinking.
There are ways to solve this problem, but everybody has it in their head that hydrogen fuel cells are the only solution to this, and since we aren't making fast headway on them, then only disaster can result.

It's doubly ridiculous, considering that fuel-cells alone don't represent any solution at all, unless the H2 is produced using renewable energy (or nuclear).
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 11:38 AM
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3. if this country really wanted to drastically limit oil in their diet
they could easily do it and it wouldn't take a manhattan project; even though that is what is called for at this stage of unchecked gluttony. the answers are staring us in the face and the powers that be just don't want to get it.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 12:52 PM
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6. My current working 'forecast'
To me, it looks like the power of the 'old energy order' has enough of a stranglehold on the US to prevent new energy sources from being examined, much less implemented. Therefore, I think that it is going to take a degree of social de-evolution before the power of old energy wanes enough for new energy to move in. That's not a pretty picture.

I don't think that will necessarily be the case everywhere -- regions with foresight will be rewarded with a much easier time throughout the period where humanity is forced to kick the oil habit. Few of those regions are in the US, of course.

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Fir Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:07 AM
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12. propaganda


At least that is what the propaganda mills are telling us.

Look I am not a scientist and have no proof. But I am suspicious of the sources that keep telling us we are bound heart and soul to the big energy complex. They are the ones controlling us by the pocketbook so why would they want us to know the answers that would free us from them?

About 45 years ago, in science class, right there in our text books were diagrams showing how simple it would be to use hydrogen to fuel cars and trucks.

The teacher said it wouldn't happen soon because all the known patents were bought up by the car in dusty and the energy industry so that they wouldn't have to lose their hold on our economy.

It made since to me then and it still does.

Maybe we are just being duped into all this by the propaganda being used to keep us under their illusion that we need oil.
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satya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 11:47 AM
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4. Technology to convert organic waste into fuel already in use overseas
Kompogas:Fuel for Progress
"Suppose in addition to your blue bin for recyclables, you had a green one for kitchen scraps? And suppose that those scraps were collected and mixed with yard waste, then processed in small low-emission factories into compost and a clean fuel that could power your car? It sounds utopian, but it’s reality in Europe, where no less than 18 “Kompogas” plants operate. There’s even one in Japan."
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"Kompogas, a mixture of methane and carbon dioxide (CO2), can be burned in a gas motor to generate electricity, or (with the CO2 removed) used to power cars and trucks (including 1,200 in the Zurich area). It produces 80 percent less smog-forming chemicals than standard gasoline. Wastewater from the process goes into aquaculture projects and liquid fertilizer."

Concept car fueled by Kompogas

Additional info:
IEA Bioenergy
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Muzzle Tough Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:02 AM
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8. Hey, that's great! Thanks for posting it!
So far, we've always developed a new energy technology before the old energy source ran out. The oil thing will be no different. Humans are very creative.

While some people are running around panicked and scared, others are actually doings things to solve the problems. I'm not worried.

Actually, oil itself was considered worthless up until the mid 19th century. It took a scientist to figure out how we could use the oil for energy. So I'm sure another scientist will figure out what to do, as is already happening with your article. But even other scientist will come up with other solutions still.

Technology has been advancing for thousands of years. And it will continue to do so.

In 100 years from now, people will think that the people of today were crazy for ever worrying about running out of oil.
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Fir Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:17 AM
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13. There are 2 working plants in the USA as well


One is in Penn and one in Carthage, Missouri. Anything carbon based is put in one end and comes out as water, a mineral, and a petroleum product, depending on what the source material is.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/897232/posts
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satya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 11:55 AM
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5. And you can make your own fuel to burn in diesel engines
Home-Brewing Biofuel
"Biodiesel is a viable, sustainable alternative to petroleum that can be used to run any unmodified diesel engine. Homemade biodiesel is made with discarded waste vegetable oil from food services that would have otherwise gone into landfills, dumped illegally into storm drains or fed to livestock.
"Biodiesel is the only alternative fuel that can be used straight in the fuel tank of any vehicle with an existing diesel engine. No engine conversion is needed!"

Not that the current administration wants to see this happen...what would happen to our economy if truckers started manufacturing and using biodiesel instead of black gold?

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Porcupine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 11:28 PM
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7. Creativity just won't cut it. Physics trumps all...
Edited on Mon Dec-13-04 11:32 PM by Porcupine
other proposed solutions to having our current kind of economy with any other prime source of hydrocarbons than oil.

If we are really, really lucky we might just be able to stabilize at the economic status of current day Cuba. If we are not so lucky we end up living in a Christian-Right-Facsist North Korea.

Our current culture requires massive inputs of oil just to stay put economically. Look at your roofs;oil, your roads (asphalt);oil, plastic anything;oil, detergent;oil any piece of hardware that makes your life work;oil.

Without oil we cannot maintain our housing (paint, roofing, windows) or our plumbing (abs, pvc) much less drive around in giant SUV's. Any economic growth, any population growth at all just hastens the day when the whole house of cards goes kaput.

Go! lemmings GO!

edit: accidental smilies removed
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Muzzle Tough Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:05 AM
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9. There are many laws of physics that we still haven't discovered.
People don't need oil. What people need is energy and building materials. Oil is not the only way to get those things.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:59 AM
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10. oil itself can be manufactured, instead of pumped out of the ground.
All it takes is an energy source. We can do this, if we use renewables, and probably nuclear.

But it takes time and effort. The longer we wait, the harder it gets, and the more disruptive it will be.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:29 AM
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11. I think energy usage will be a lot more heterogeneous in the future
I think we'll see pockets of communities where energy is abundant, such as nearby functioning hydro,wind, solar or nuke power plants, plus more isolated energy 'oasis' where power is generated locally for a household on a small scale. In between them, I think we'll see energy 'deserts' that fall back a few centuries technologically.

What we won't see so much is large scale power generation and distribution. I just don't think the resources will be there.

People are going to have to get a lot better at re-use, ie., using used stuff to make new stuff. Forget about the conveniences of modern life -- I'm talking about the basics like tools and basic shelter. If you can scrounge a windmill and a battery together, maybe you can get 12 volt electric lights going at night.

The bamboo bicycle generator from Gilligan's island might be a nice thing to have in a pinch...I'm not really kidding. At least not that much. With any luck, all the hardship and improvising will lead to new solutions that we aren't motivated enough to develop today. It's really going to hurt, though. Lots of people are going to die.

I hope we are ultimately able to find a new energy base before all the technology and knowledge from the oil energy base falls into ruin. If it doesn't, it could be a LONG time before humanity looks toward the stars again...

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