Barrett808
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Mon Aug-17-09 08:55 PM
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Australia prepares for worst fire season ever |
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The CFA chief heavily criticised for his handling of Black Saturday will be responsible for keeping Victoria safe as it faces its worst-ever fire season, Premier John Brumby has said. Mr Brumby warned Victorians that 13 years of drought will make the coming fire season, less than 10 weeks away, potentially more dangerous than 2008-09 during which 173 people died. ... http://desdemonadespair.blogspot.com/2009/08/australia-prepares-for-worst-fire.html
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Chulanowa
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Mon Aug-17-09 09:08 PM
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1. Well, fire's been a part of the landscape for twenty thousand years... |
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Edited on Mon Aug-17-09 09:08 PM by Chulanowa
People need to get over the fucking Bambi complex that wildfires are bad and need to be stopped. let the stuff burn. Water down areas around houses, make firebreaks, whatever you need to protect residents... but it needs to burn.
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tabatha
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Mon Aug-17-09 09:11 PM
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2. There is so much wrong with that I don't know where to start. |
Chulanowa
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Tue Aug-18-09 06:08 AM
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5. I'd wager you don't know where to start simply because you have no idea what's being talked about |
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Tue Aug-18-09 03:07 PM
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6. Are you a mind reader? |
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How about not judging before you have any facts?
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Chulanowa
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Tue Aug-18-09 03:27 PM
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7. You're not really going to try to lecture me on facts, are you? |
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Here's some for you - Much of Australia's ecology hinges around fire. The flora is adapted to it, and with the poor quality of Australia's soil, fire is needed to return nutrients. It got this way after humans colonized Australia some odd tens of thousands of years ago, and used large-scale burning for clearing brush and driving prey, just as they were doing when Europeans arrived, and just as some still do. Europeans, from a totally different environment, see wildfire as bad, and work hard to prevent it from ever happening anywhere. As a result, burnable fuel accumulates in the fire-prone environment, and when one stats up, it's an intense blaze rather than a more regular slow burn.
However, you say I'm wrong. You don't provide any facts of your own, aside from your (no doubt divine) authority as to my being wrong. You don't bother telling me how or where i'm incorrect, you just blurt out "YOU'RE WRONG!" and leave it at that.
No, I'm not a mind reader. But when someone makes assertions without anything to back them up, people generally figure that person doesn't know what they're talking about. That ould be you.
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Tue Aug-18-09 03:38 PM
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in the new Australian Bushfire report, about the almost 200 deaths, is a recommendation for fuels reductions. They have 51 recommendations for this next intense fire season but, one for reducing fuels is NOT amongst them. Combine that with their "Leave Early or Stay and Fight" scenario, and you have more deaths on the way. All in the name of "environmentalism".
The US is also planning on using this very same scenario as government policy.
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Chulanowa
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Tue Aug-18-09 03:45 PM
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9. One thing I've noticed... |
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Is that there's a noticeable number of environmentalists who don't really know what they're talking about. These are the guys who believe the three-day-long flocks of passenger pigeons in America's past were natural and healthy, who refuse to allow any amount of clearing in woodland despite the problems of fire and disease, and who oppose hunting seasons and predator reintroductions.
Like I said, the bambi complex.
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tabatha
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Tue Aug-18-09 04:01 PM
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10. No, I did not even try to lecture you. |
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I guess I should have said that it would have taken several pages to respond to your post.
However, what I was responding to was your assertion that other people were incorrect with "fucking Bambi complex that wildfires are bad" - you were trashing anyone with a different opinion. That was the first thing that I found wrong.
I have read a lot about fire, and have followed the debate. While plants have adapted to fire, excessive fire is not good - and often the excessive fire is a result of human's impact on land.
I could say tons more --- but I don't have the time, but this information is all on the web.
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Chulanowa
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Tue Aug-18-09 04:12 PM
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11. Well, it's good you didn't say tons more |
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Because it looks as if you and I are essentially on the same page. The difference is, given the binary option of either burning or not burning (As an above poster has noted, fuel clearing's not an option apparently) I'm going to go with burning. It is ultimately the lesser of two problems.
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Mon Aug-17-09 10:24 PM
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3. I think California and Oz should get together and form an international fire force |
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When fire season dies down here, it sparks up there, and vice versa.
Why not get a bunch of burly, full time fire fighters? :shrug:
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Mon Aug-17-09 10:27 PM
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The eco's says "fire is GOOD!!"
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