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Fledermaus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 10:01 AM
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Current Climate Impact of Heating from Energy Usage
Present-day waste heat production as a result of energy use is a climate forcing that has not
drawn much attention, although Chaisson <2008> recently discussed its potential future climate
impact. Current global primary energy consumption amounts to 15.5 TeraWatts (U.S. Energy
Information Administration (EIA) base year 2005; see Table 1). The global average primary
energy consumption (0.03 watts per square meter) is relatively small compared to other
anthropogenic radiative forcings, as summarized in the recent Intergovernmental Panel on
Climate Change <2007> report. Nevertheless, despite its relatively small magnitude, waste heat
may have a considerable impact on local surface temperature measurements, as outlined below
Unlike the globally well-mixed greenhouse gases carbon dioxide (CO2) and methane (CH4),
energy use does not occur uniformly around the globe. Assuming that energy use predominantly
occurs over land (30% of the globe) and that one-third of the land is populated, energy use for
this populated land area is already 0.3 watts per square meter. We can further investigate the
magnitude of energy use by calculating energy consumption per country in watts per square
meter using the energy consumption estimates from EIA (table 1).

For large energy consuming countries such as the United States, China, and India, the energy
consumption is of the order of 0.2-0.4 watts per square meter. For smaller developed countries
such as France, the United Kingdom, Germany, and Japan, energy consumption per square meter
is larger, exceeding 1 watt per square meter. For small, densely populated countries such as the
Netherlands, energy consumption exceeds 4 watts per square meter. On a city scale, such as
central New York or Tokyo, energy use can exceed 100 watts per square meter 2006].

Although these numbers are merely statistics, they clearly show that on local to regional
scales the magnitude of waste heat is large. In addition, the spatial inhomogeneous distribution of
the waste heat effect may actually have a much larger impact on local and regional atmospheric
circulation than what could be expected based on their global average. This impact can be larger
than the local to regional impact of well-mixed greenhouse gases .
Furthermore, the near-surface impact of waste heat will be larger in cold climates compared to
warm climates and larger during nighttime compared to daytime due to a combination of
differences in mixing depth (boundary layer height), latent and sensible heat balance (at low
temperatures, hardly any evaporative cooling occurs), and radiative equilibrium temperature
(Stefan-Boltzmann law).

Observed and modeled waste heat impact.
There is some observational evidence that waste heat has changed temperatures not only
locally but also regionally. Several recent papers therein; McKitrick and Michaels, 2007 and references therein] suggest that a link exists between
observed warming patterns and industrialization or urbanization. For example, there is
considerably more surface than free tropospheric warming in the eastern United States,
suggesting the presence of a surface warming process therein]. Waste heat may very well have contributed to the observed temperature change
patterns, although it is unclear as to whether waste heat can fully account for these patterns.
There are more anthropogenic surface processes that may have contributed, such as decreases of
anthropogenic (industrial) aerosols, which would also result in warming.

Furthermore, waste heat also can have effects on temperatures beyond large urbanized areas.
Hinkel and Nelson <2007; and references therein> have convincingly shown that for the remote
location of Barrow, Alaska, local in-town temperature changes are directly related to gas use
(heating). Further away from town, changes in temperature are considerably smaller, while in
general the temperature changes were also dependent on local atmospheric conditions such as
wind speed and atmospheric stability.

Finally, Block et al. <2004> used a regional climate model to investigate the magnitude of
warming in Western Europe caused by adding 2 watts per square meter of energy at the model
land surface. Although the model simulation was performed for just 3 months during spring, the
results nevertheless indicate that warming does occur, and—under favorable conditions—it can
on average be as large as 1°C for the 2 watts per square meter surface forcing. Furthermore, the
model results indicate that low elevation areas experience more warming that elevated regions,
suggesting that local atmospheric stability conditions and boundary layer dynamics are important
for the magnitude of local temperature changes caused by waste heat.
http://www.knmi.nl/~laatdej/EOS2008.pdf
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 10:19 AM
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1. So global warming is caused by waste heat?
That's about as weird as claiming it's caused by undersea volcanoes.

Referencing Michaels and surfacestations.org are big red flags. This is just the "urban heat island" argument tarted up a bit.
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Viking12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 11:34 AM
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3. The paper draws no conclusions. Only suggests that there is opportunity for research.
The surfacestation goons actually have an interesting scientific question at their foundation (one that is not in any way original, BTW). However, they bypass all of the necessary scientific analysis and purport to provide answers to the question w/o any actual evidence to support their conclusions.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 12:55 PM
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9. They've been trying to handle the urban heat island effect for some time now.
It's not like it wasn't in their considerations when they put stations out.

The question is "how much does this contribute to global warming." We get our answer from basic laws of physics (almost none). Global warming being far more damaging of a process than someones back yard being warming because of the Wal-Mart parking-lot next door.
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Fledermaus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:51 PM
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14. Thermal pollution is not trivial.
As I suspected, thermal pollution in urbanized areas does have a significant effect on localized warming. It doesn't mater who's model you want to use. Its not something nuclear or carbon capture proponents want to talk about.


Nearly all energy used for human economy is, at some point, dissipated thermally within Earth's atmosphere or land. This is a consequence of the second law of thermodynamics - the tendency of energy towards higher entropy (more disordered) forms. Because the energy we derive from non-renewable sources (coal, petroleum, natural gas, and nuclear) would not otherwise have been introduced to the Earth System as heat (on relevant timescales), it can be considered a climate forcing term. Globally, in 2005, this anthropogenic heat flux (AHF) was +0.028 W/m2, or only about 1% of the energy flux being added to Earth because of anthropogenic greenhouse gases. The spatial distribution of AHF, derived from national energy-use data and population density, is shown to the right. Although small globally, current AHF averaged over the continental United States and western Europe is, respectively, +0.39 and +0.68 W/m2, or up to 40% of the local forcing from carbon dioxide. A projection of 2040 AHF is shown in the bottom panel.
http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/tss/ahf/

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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 12:59 AM
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15. "only about 1% of the energy flux"
*sigh*

When will this misleading talk stop?
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Fledermaus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 05:09 AM
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16. Gosh, you quoted global numbers *sigh* its up to 40% for local areas.
Edited on Fri Sep-04-09 05:32 AM by Fledermaus
Its higher for the eastern than the western USA. And thats using a climate model you prefer.

Although small globally, current AHF averaged over the continental United States and western Europe is, respectively, +0.39 and +0.68 W/m2, or up to 40% of the local forcing from carbon dioxide.


Thats 14% for all of the USA not just the eastern side and 24% for all of western Europe.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 06:07 AM
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17. *sigh* I know I quoted global.
Do you know what the impact of global vs local warming is? Global warming can mean sea level rise, glacial melt, ocean acidification, methane release. Local warming contributes some very small percentage to that overall warming.

I'm afraid too many people are starting to buy this "waste heat" thing and it can result in people rejecting the extreme dangers of CO2 pollution.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 06:26 AM
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18. "people rejecting the extreme dangers of CO2 pollution."
So far, the only person pushing that meme is you when you use it as a red herring. Most people realize the complexity of the event we are facing.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 06:58 AM
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19. *shrug* Just putting things into perspective.
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Fledermaus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 07:49 AM
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20. Gosh, you deserve so much better than what I can give you. You deserve kristopher.
Judging by the icon you have chosen to use, you must smell like a christmas tree from time to time.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 08:15 AM
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21. Anything substantiative you wish to add?
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Fotoware58 Donating Member (473 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 11:15 AM
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2. How does this compare to....
the combined energy of global wildfires, turning ancient trees into GHG's??
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 12:12 PM
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4. I don't think that is a consideration
Whether the trees burn or biodegrade their stored energy and ghg are released. Long term changes in land use related to deforestation of all types is more of a variation that needs to be tracked.
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Fotoware58 Donating Member (473 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 12:50 PM
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7. Indirect land use changes
Edited on Thu Sep-03-09 12:52 PM by Fotoware58
When forests burn at high intensities, the soil cannot support the forests that once lived there. The tree's ancient carbon goes into the upper atmosphere and is unavailable to be re-sequestered. It is NOT a closed-loop system! GHG's continue to be added and are NOT re-sequestered completely. Instead of old growth forests, they are replaced with less-diverse and lesser carbon-sequestering vegetation. for hundreds of years!

THIS is FACT!

AND, the heat from those fires goes "up in smoke", as well! Are we merely growing "firewood" with which to heat our atmosphere?!?!?
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 12:58 PM
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10. Uh, that's why
That's why I mentioned long term land use change as being the area of concern to you.

BTW, there is nothing "indirect" about it.
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Fotoware58 Donating Member (473 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:02 PM
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12. Point taken
8^)
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 12:19 PM
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5. So wait, heating doesn't contribut 74%?
Well darn I'm glad I didn't listen to the psychopaths trying to peddle such nonsense!
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 12:43 PM
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6. People who lie persistantly are certainly suffering from some sort of pathology...
Right, JoshLiar?

The two papers address two different aspects of an emerging topic of interest. One, net waste heat accumulation ovr time; the other, well, I'll let the authors speak for themselves:

Consequences for surface temperature observations.

Because waste heat is a process that also occurs on small spatial scales, the question as to the
extent to which surface temperature observations have been affected by waste heat and how to
account for it is very relevant. Waste heat is often associated with urbanization, but may have
affected temperatures at locations that are not considered to be urban at all. Thus, when does
waste heat change temperature measurements by tenths of a degree Kelvin or more? A big city at
a 100 kilometer distance away from an observation site, a small city at 10 kilometers, a town 1
kilometer away, a large building 100 meters away?
Surface temperature observations generally are made in the vicinity of at least some human
activity, as indicated by the photographic survey of surface stations on the Web site
http://www.surfacestations.org/. Common practice is to correct for urbanization effects by
excluding or correcting observations close to large urbanized areas, for example by using
satellite-observed city lights to identify surface observation locations close to or in large
urbanized areas . However, it is unclear what the
magnitude and footprint of a waste heat source has to be in order for it to affect local and
regional temperatures, and whether satellite-observed city lights can be used to account for such
small-scale processes (i.e. 10 kilometer to meter scale).
To answer these questions requires a detailed analysis of all available surface station data,
which unfortunately appears to be a monumental task. Not only would it involve analyzing
thousands of station records in detail, but every location would have to be investigated—for its
proximity to waste heat sources, the type of waste heat sources, and the historical changes of
those sources (which may not be available when going further back in time)—as well as local
and regional weather and climate variations, in order to estimate the footprint of the waste heat
source. Regional climate models and large eddy models may further assist in estimating the
footprint of regional local scale energy use. Such analyses would help to narrow down
uncertainties associated with estimating the current—and future—impact of waste heat.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 12:53 PM
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8. No need to paste walls of text.
Walls of text which seemingly have absolutely nothing to do with the liar allegation.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 12:59 PM
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11. It isn't an allegation
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:02 PM
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13. Yes it is.
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