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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 06:39 PM Original message |
Food crisis looms warn scientists |
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HBravo (239 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 06:47 PM Response to Original message |
1. Sorry, calling fear mongering bs on this. nt |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 06:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Science is one of the most respected and professional journals in science.. |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 06:57 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Yeah, Science Magazine is notorious for "fear mongering" |
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Goldstein1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 06:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. What do you have against fear? |
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HBravo (239 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 07:03 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. To all |
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Goldstein1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 07:16 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Sorry. It's not that simple |
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HBravo (239 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 07:24 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. True, but this hypothesis was made with todays technology not |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 07:33 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. This hypothesis assumes a continuous improvement in production |
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HBravo (239 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 07:57 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. An average of increases in production |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 08:08 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Now, what if we cannot even maintain current production rates? |
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HBravo (239 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 08:15 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Edited previous post |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 07:26 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Irrigation is the biggest limiting factor, not land. |
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Goldstein1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 07:46 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Water resources are definitely the limiting factor |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-13-10 04:42 AM Response to Reply #19 |
26. I got my degree in Environmental science, but wound up in molecular biology |
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Goldstein1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-13-10 12:10 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. "...cacophonous, nonsensical carnival of idiocy..." |
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azul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 07:20 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. good post. Fear itself is fearsome. |
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Goldstein1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 07:54 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. The thread went elsewhere, but... |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-13-10 04:39 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. We have nothing to fear but fear itself! |
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MrsCorleone (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-13-10 12:27 AM Response to Reply #1 |
25. I tend to agree. Fear mongering brought to you by Monsanto, Syngenta, Cargill et al. |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
2. Adapt agriculture to cope with climate, population |
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Goldstein1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
3. I don't believe there will be 9 billion people by 2050 |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 07:05 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. "... this whole scenario assumes that people breed like vermin, limited by food supply..." |
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Goldstein1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 07:35 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. Good point, but I wasn't talking about the population estimate... |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 07:42 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. About the "UN Low" estimate |
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Goldstein1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 07:52 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Ouch. Quite a change from 2004 |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-13-10 04:46 PM Response to Reply #3 |
32. Totally possible |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-15-10 08:21 AM Response to Reply #3 |
38. Unfortunately, it holds more truth than most people choose to admit. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-15-10 08:31 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. The "Idiocracy" effect. |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 08:16 AM Response to Reply #39 |
49. Also ... |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
4. Given the current use of fossil hydrocarbons and water... |
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Goldstein1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-13-10 12:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
28. That's what I was arguing above. |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-13-10 03:53 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. You get into resource footprints at this point |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-13-10 04:43 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. The footprint of food production is relatively constant compared to non-food consumption. |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-13-10 05:28 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Should have known you'd have a page on it.... |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-13-10 05:40 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Something I'm morbidly curious about |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-13-10 06:29 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Water is the most likely for a global limit |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-15-10 05:08 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. It's more complex |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-15-10 08:47 AM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Yes and no. |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-15-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Industrial agriculture |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-15-10 02:14 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Is there evidence for pre-columbian overshoot in North America? |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-15-10 04:06 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Hmm. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-15-10 04:38 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Entheogens in the water supply... |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-15-10 04:36 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. You know, I've always thought of hydroponics as being a form of industrial agriculture |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-15-10 05:48 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Where I live |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-15-10 06:12 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Hydroponic police |
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azul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
14. Is it a food crisis already when 22,000 people are dying a day |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 07:39 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. The crisis is already upon us |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-16-10 06:15 AM Response to Reply #14 |
48. Nah, that's just a filler item on a slow news day ... |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-13-10 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
33. Topsoil and Civilization |
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