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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:27 PM
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An Inconvenient Nuke: Xeni interviews Lawrence Bender, Jeff Skoll on "Countdown to Zero"
http://www.boingboing.net/2010/05/05/an-inconvenient-nuke.html

An Inconvenient Nuke: Xeni interviews Lawrence Bender, Jeff Skoll on "Countdown to Zero"

Xeni Jardin at 11:16 AM May 5, 2010


A new Boing Boing special feature is up today: my interview with Lawrence Bender and Jeff Skoll (Cove, An Inconvenient Truth) about their new nuclear disarmament documentary Countdown to Zero. As they explain in our conversation, they believe there are two major "extinction-level" threats to the world today: one is climate change, which they tackled in An Inconvenient Truth. The other is nuclear weapons (by "accidents, miscalculation, or madness"), which they address now.

XENI: Your film may not be a feelgood movie, but you seem to be trying to leave viewers with a sense of empowerment, the idea that they can do something about this big, terrifying thing that has the potential to destroy all life on the planet.

BENDER: We didn't make the movie because we believe this is the end of the world. We made it because we believe we can prevent the end of the world from happening. The information is scary. Every time we screen the movie and there are young people in the audience and they say, "Whoah, I had no idea"--when you see the 18-22 year olds talk, the effect is staggering. They say "I feel so bad, I had no idea," but the other part of what they say is, "What can I do."


Faces you'll see in the film include Jimmy Carter, Mikhail Gorbachev, Pervez Musharraf, Valerie Plame Wilson, and Tony Blair. Random fun fact I learned, watching the film: a big bag of weed is an excellent place to hide a rod of Highly Enriched Uranium (HEU). Also, an HEU specimen is about as big as, say, a shoe, and if you pack that inside a shoebox inside another box stacked in big rows of lots of crates on a cargo container, there's roughly zero chance of any inspector finding that before it enters the USA. Iran getting the bomb is scary, and an imminent possibility. Loose nukes out of the former USSR have already trickled on to the black market. And America is still on hairtrigger alert against Russia. Not a happy-fun film, but one that suggests a concrete path toward change.

☢ AN INCONVENIENT NUKE: Xeni Jardin interviews Jeff Skoll and Lawrence Bender on COUNTDOWN TO ZERO (A Boing Boing special feature)

Trailer here.

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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 12:17 AM
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1. Thanks.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 02:44 AM
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2. Correction, climate change is making extinct the planet *now.* Each minute, each day.
Nuclear war may or may not create an extinction level event.

FYI, Boris didn't light the nukes because he knew a nuclear exchange would have been more than just one rocket. Common sense, and embarrassing that Skoll illustrates that he can't grasp such fundamental concepts.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 10:59 AM
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3. "It's sheer damn luck that we have succeeded as a world in surviving...a major nuclear catastrophe"
I'm glad this movie came out by the same people who made Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth" - maybe it will open some eyes around here.
We're playing Russian Roulette - but hey, the gun hasn't gone off yet, so it must be perfectly safe, right?
The famous "Doomsday Clock" places nuclear war as the #1 threat: http://www.thebulletin.org/content/doomsday-clock/overview
Martin Hellman estimates the failure of nuclear deterrence at roughly 1% per year: http://www.nuclearrisks.org
Even a small nuclear war could result in nuclear winter: http://www.eoearth.org/article/Nuclear_winter
"It's sheer damn luck that we have succeeded as a world in surviving...a major nuclear catastrophe":
http://www.sabanews.net/en/news204132.htm

Risks of nuclear catastrophe are "real" - weapons expert
25/January/2010

UNITED NATIONS, Jan 25 (Saba) -- Professor Gareth Evans of Australia on Monday warned that the risks associated with existing nuclear weapons, including the risk of nuclear terrorism, are "real" and that it is "sheer damn luck" that a nuclear catastrophe did not happen since World War II, according to Kuwait News Agency (KUNA).

Evans, co-Chairman of the International Commission on Nuclear Disarmament and Non-Proliferation (ICNND), presented the December 2009 report "Eliminating Nuclear Threats" during a press conference and warned that "the risks associated with existing nuclear arsenals ..., with new countries joining the list ..., with nuclear terrorism, are real".

"It's sheer damn luck that we have succeeded as a world in surviving ... a major nuclear catastrophe since 1945. It was not a function of good policy or anything else rather than luck," he added.

He noted that the world has come "hellishly close to a (nuclear) catastrophe on many occasions during the Cold War, which only now are beginning to come to light after all these years".

He warned that one "cannot make any assumption at all that the status quo will continue, that we can live with 20,000 or more nuclear weapons without (the risk) of nuclear catastrophe".

<snip>

The 230-page report, the most comprehensive of its kind yet produced, is the unanimous product of an independent global panel of fifteen commissioners, supported by a high-level international advisory board and worldwide network of research centres.

<snip>

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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 01:24 PM
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4. It has been trending that way (complacency) from before the end of the Cold War
That is the reason they had to develop the imagery of the Doomsday Clock. Such indifference only compounds the danger.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 06:23 PM
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5. Scarmongering to sell a movie.
Already AGW is taking a backseat in the minds of the public, why? Because it's no longer the latest trend.

Again, climate change is causing an extinction level event already, right now, it's happening.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 08:48 AM
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6. Attention is now on Richard Garwin and the Gulf oil spill
LBN:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4382246

Bomb Designer, Mars Expert Sent by Obama to Fix Oil Spill

Edited on Fri May-14-10 07:57 PM by Pirate Smile
Source: Bloomberg

U.S. Energy Secretary Steven Chu signaled his lack of confidence in the industry experts trying to control BP Plc’s leaking oil well by hand-picking a team of scientists with reputations for creative problem solving.
Dispatched to Houston by President Barack Obama to deal with the crisis, Chu said Wednesday that five “extraordinarily intelligent” scientists from around the country will help BP and industry experts think of back-up plans to cut off oil from the well, leaking 5,000 feet (1,500 meters) below sea-level.


http://www.nuclearrisk.org/statement.php


Garwin signed the statement:
http://www.nuclearrisk.org/statement.php

Summary Statement
Defusing the Nuclear Threat: A Necessary First Step

Nuclear deterrence has worked for over fifty years, while attempts at nuclear disarmament have borne very limited fruit. The success of deterrence combined with the failure of disarmament has fostered the belief that, repulsive as nuclear deterrence might be, it is the only strategy we can depend on for the indefinite future.

Given the horrific consequences of even a single failure, the real question is whether deterrence will work until it is no longer needed. Anything less is a modern day version of Neville Chamberlain’s infamous 1938 statement promising “Peace in our time,” implicitly leaving the problem and likely destruction to our children’s generation. And, as occurred to Chamberlain’s Britain, devastation could come much sooner than anticipated. The danger increases with each new entrant into the nuclear weapons club and more new members, including terrorist groups, are likely in the near future.

Given that the survival of humanity is at stake, it is surprising that risk analysis studies of nuclear deterrence are incomplete. A number of studies have estimated the cost of a failure, with estimates ranging from megadeaths for a limited exchange or terrorist act, through possible human extinction for a full-scale nuclear war. But there is a lack of studies of an equally important component of the risk, namely the failure rate of deterrence.

If the failure rate of nuclear deterrence is comparable to that of an extinction-level asteroid collision, then the fifty years we have delayed in seeking an alternative strategy might be acceptable, with roughly a one-in-a-million chance of humanity’s destruction during that period. But if the failure rate is on the order of 2% per year, corresponding to an expected 50-year time horizon, then this delay would be criminally negligent. Each decade taken to solve the problem would entail approximately a 20% chance of disaster.

We, the undersigned, therefore urgently petition the international scientific community to undertake in-depth risk analyses of nuclear deterrence and, if the results so indicate, to raise an alarm alerting society to the unacceptable risk it faces as well as initiating a second phase effort to identify potential solutions.

In the latter event, we recognize that a complete solution cannot be formulated within the current world environment, and it will have to evolve as a sequence of steps, only the earliest of which can be envisioned currently. As one example of a possible early step, Russia and the United States each have thousands of nuclear weapons, whereas a few hundred would more than deter any rational actor and no number will deter an irrational one. Either side could therefore reduce its nuclear arsenal with little to no loss in national security, even if the other side did not immediately reciprocate. In light of the growing specter of nuclear terrorism, a reduced nuclear arsenal could even enhance national security by lessening the chance for theft or illicit sale of a weapon.

While a number of other early steps could be identified, the critical first step is for society to understand the level of risk that it faces. Hence the risk analyses that we are advocating should be undertaken with the appropriate sense of urgency.

_________________________________________________

The above statement has been endorsed by the following Charter Signers:*

Prof. Kenneth Arrow, Stanford University, 1972 Nobel Laureate in Economics; see also Nobel Announcement

Mr. D. James Bidzos, Chairman of the Board, Verisign Inc.

Dr. Richard Garwin, IBM Fellow Emeritus, former member President’s Science Advisory Committee and Defense Science Board; see also NY Times article

Adm. Bobby R. Inman, USN (Ret.), University of Texas at Austin, former Director National Security Agency and Deputy Director CIA

Prof. William Kays, former Dean of Engineering, Stanford University

Prof. Donald Kennedy, President Emeritus of Stanford University, former head of FDA

Prof. Martin Perl, Stanford University, 1995 Nobel Laureate in Physics; see also Nobel Announcement

*Affiliations are for identification purposes only. The views expressed in the statement are endorsed by the individual signers and do not necessarily reflect those of their institutions. Endorsement of this statement does not necessarily connote endorsement of all elements of this web site.

Martin Hellman, webmaster
Professor Emeritus of Electrical Engineering
Stanford University


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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 12:43 AM
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8. Remember Live Earth?
I do. I naively thought maybe something would come of it. See, capitalism likes to sell tragedy and disaster, it actually makes money destroying the planet.

People polled outside of the first Live Earth concerts? They didn't even know it was supposed to be about global warming.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_Earth_(2007_concert)

I used to be a huge fan of Al Gore, but over the years I've come to realize that the whole business as usual, capitalism and profit will solve our problems attitude has left me disillusioned. That, and the book "Upsetting the Offset."

Of course, being that this website is not really inhabited by radicals, I can see where my POV is not seen as realistic.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 02:38 PM
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7. Kick and recommend
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