XPOST: DU EFF suit - critical information for Mods and DUers for going forward.

[kristopher]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9218110#9218110

[NNadir]

1. Wow, a huge cut and paste about cut and pasting.

The E&E application would be what?

Nevermind...

Let me guess...

We often hear recycled ideas here, and usually they trace to 1976 and the odd stuff written by that twit Amory Lovins.

[kristopher]

2. Unlike you some of us use and post science.

Since you depend exclusively on hyperbolic misrepresentations, I can see where you would not consider access to the content of that material to be important.

[NNadir]

3. Um....um....um....

That, I would guess, would be a function of whether one defines "science" as repeated cut and paste jobs from the collected work of Mark V. Jacobsen.

Personally, I have always found work that is solely cut and paste, and contains not a bit of cogent analysis, um, well, boring, but to each his or her or its own...

Have a nice evening.

[Kolesar]

10. You posted just to tell us you are bored ...?

Dude, get a hobby.

[joshcryer]

6. It's called excerpting.

It's not ideal but I always try to do it in the event DU gets takedown notices.

[Nihil]

4. Xpost of reply (with additional information)

The key issue raised in your post is that "validity" depends on the
intended usage of the information being posted.

Use of a brief abstract plus link is perfectly sufficient for most cases.

Use of an extended extract from an open access document might be useful
for the first time that the link has been published.

Use of multi-page mindless cut & pastes of exactly the same document
(open access or not) is deliberately spamming a thread with the sole
aim not of informing anyone but of shutting down the debate because
it is going in a direction that the spammer does not like.

You have a valid point with regard to highlighting the validity of an
open access document if it is provided to inform.

On the other hand, you cannot hide behind "EFF support" when the purpose
of the extended pasting of exactly the same material for the thousandth time
is purely to disrupt.

I alerted on one of your posts that was subsequently locked and combined
with the original copy, not because of copyright issues but because it
was deliberate spam. I agree with you about the reproduction of genuinely
informative open access documents but that does not excuse the disruption
of repeatedly posting multi-page screeds as a less than subtle tactic to
shut down the thread or subthread.

[kristopher]

5. I'd say that your perspective is the more self serving.

First, "validity" has nothing to do with what I wrote.

I'll repeat the same thing I've written previously in defense of posting full abstracts and summaries:

A KNOWN tactic by some who spread LIES in any venue is to simply repeat the lie as often as possible. This is particularly effective when the rebuttal to the lie is rather long and complicated. It becomes a simple matter of arithmetic to win by spending 30 seconds posting a lie that requires 45 minutes to compose a spontaneous response to. In economic terms the time cost of responding to the lie is prohibitive and eventually the lie will therefore receive far more exposure than the truth.

I'm sorry but your indignation would be a hell of a lot more convincing if you spent as much time taking those spreading lies to task as you do worrying about "spam" that offends your sense of balance. However the fact is that you reserve ALL of your criticism for those defending renewable energy sources against false assertions so bizarre they can't help but offend any person with normal ethics.

[joshcryer]

7. A "lie" such as a fairly biased review posted in a third rate journal that accepts...

...garbage?

Really?

All of the pro-nuclear people seem to have taken a break after being disappointed with the ice numbers. I'm sure they'll be back.

[XemaSab]

9. You make friends wherever you go.

n/t

[pscot]

25. What's a nice girl like XemaSab

doing in a place like this?

[XemaSab]

38. All I want to know is

what's the difference between the 5 cent wine and the 10 cent wine. :shrug:

[Nihil]

40. Time

> what's the difference between the 5 cent wine and the 10 cent wine.

They serve the 5 cent wine until the customers have had a few then
start charging 10 cents for it.

:shrug:

(Either that or the 5 cent wine is the recycled 10 cent wine ... :hide: )

[Dead_Parrot]

41. Either way, I've drunk there. nt

[pscot]

43. What's the difference between a pint

and a quart?

[XemaSab]

44. A quart is twice as much as a pint

:P

[Nihil]

17. You really are oblivious to irony aren't you?

> I'll repeat the same thing I've written previously in defense of posting full
> abstracts and summaries:
> A KNOWN tactic by some who spread LIES in any venue is to simply repeat the lie
> as often as possible. This is particularly effective when the rebuttal to the lie
> is rather long and complicated. It becomes a simple matter of arithmetic to win
> by spending 30 seconds posting a lie that requires 45 minutes to compose a
> spontaneous response to. In economic terms the time cost of responding to the lie
> is prohibitive and eventually the lie will therefore receive far more exposure
> than the truth.
> Posted by kristopher

:rofl:

[kristopher]

19. Irony?

You do realize that your posts are archived and subject to retrieval and analysis, don't you? I am absolutely certain that if we were to invest the efforts we'd find that of the times you enter a discussion on renewable energy or nuclear energy you seek to enhance the position of nuclear supporters. So please spare us the sanctimonious claptrap.

[Nihil]

21. At least the analysis of my posts would *take* effort ...

> You do realize that your posts are archived and subject to retrieval
> and analysis, don't you?

... as opposed to only needing a remarkably small sample size for your
contributions due to the immense amount of duplication ...

:P

[kristopher]

22. Your bias is obvious

[Systematic Chaos]

34. You've blah-ness, and are oblivious.

:shrug:

[joshcryer]

8. I still hold the record for longest reply war to his repetition.

But each of my replies was unique...

[Dead_Parrot]

11. Some of those threads are truly epic

If I ever have grandchildren, I look forward to telling the sagas of Josh the valiant and Kris the mindnumbingly repetitive. Some sort of campfire may be involved, with smores.

[XemaSab]

12. Campfire with smores, you say?

This is more on the scale of creating a new shaman of the tribe. It's going to be a lifelong study, culminating in one or more psychedelic journeys before the initiate truly understands the scope of the tale, and the magnitude of what lies ahead.

[Dead_Parrot]

13. OK, but it's lifelong study, journeys and true understanding with smores, right?

I feel very strongly that the smores are an important aspect here.

[XemaSab]

14. Are smores renewable?

:shrug:

[Dead_Parrot]

15. Hmmm. I think it depends on the marshmallows.

If you're making your own out of egg whites and Althaea officinalis then yes, but I'm not convinced the things called "marshmallows" in the shops are renewable, biodegradable or even carbon-based.

Graham crackers are obviously as renewable as the buffalo turds they are made from (roll turd flat, cut into shape and bake in sun for a week), and proper chocolate is probably OK.

Before anyone asks:

2 egg whites
1 tsp vanilla
1/2 cup raw cane sugar
1 tbsp powdered Marshmallow root

Whip egg whites until almost stiff.
Add vanilla and whip until stiff.
Then whip in the sugar, 1 tsp at the time.
Finally, add Marshmallow and whip again.
Place by teaspoonfull on cookie sheet. Bake in 325F oven for 1 hour.

:9

[XemaSab]

16. I suppose anything that melts in the mouth and stays in the mind can't be bad

Unless you're Christine O'Donnell. :hide:

[Dead_Parrot]

18. Especially when covered in melted chocolate

(Obvious qualifier is obvious.)
:o

[XemaSab]

20. This sounds like a problem from Logic I

Chocolate melts in your mouth. Anything covered in melted chocolate is good.

Therefore, anything that you put in your mouth is good? Or anything that you put in your mouth is melted? Or anything that you put in your mouth is chocolate?

Logic is hard. :(

[Dead_Parrot]

23. This might help:

Or not.
:shrug:

Edit: Actually, looking at that, I think chocolate temperature plays a key role.

[XemaSab]

26. Well played, sir

Well played.

However, I note that the E/E forum is not represented on your diagram. :shrug:

hatrack either. :hide:

[Dead_Parrot]

27. I am SO not going there.

:o

[XemaSab]

28. Yay! More smores for us!

:9

[Dead_Parrot]

29. Just go easy on the crackers

You are what you eat.

[XemaSab]

30. Too late

I already had nuts yesterday. :(

[Dead_Parrot]

31. Well, at least stay off the Napoleon brandy

We don't need any more mad Corsican emperors.

[XemaSab]

32. Not a big fan of the brandy, unless you mean:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-tRXewCAmU

[Dead_Parrot]

33. I was thinking more...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzHtm1jhL4

[XemaSab]

35. If the men in the white coats decided to start rounding up DU'ers

I don't know that they would ever make it out of E/E.

[Dead_Parrot]

36. Sounds like a psychologist version of the old "police recruit" joke.

Some psychology freshmen are having an end-of-term exam.

Question:
"As a field psychologist, you are called to DU and wind up in E/E. There is a flame war raging between a someone with Ganser syndrome and a Tourette's sufferer over grid stability. You are about to intervene when an anosognosic and a sufferer of grandeur delusions start arguing over nuclear waste. A sociopath is insulting everyone, some paranoid dude is blaming big corporations for everything, someone with OCD is inserting the same block of text into every thread to improve it, and a serial substance abuser and someone with an electra complex are throwing smores at each other. Where do you start?

Answer:
"Throw away clipboard, mingle with crowd"

[XemaSab]

37. You have an electra complex?

Also, I do most of my posting before the drinking really gets started.

[Dead_Parrot]

39. Ever since I was a little girl.

Plus I always wanted to be a lumberjack, but that's a different matter.

[XemaSab]

42. You know how Godwin's law posits that the likelihood of mentioning Hitler

approaches 1 the longer a thread goes on?

One might make a similar observation about Monty Python. :P

[Dead_Parrot]

45. I think that's every thread I post in, though

[XemaSab]

46. Touche

So, how's the weather down there?

[Dead_Parrot]

47. Big ol' bunch o' summer

Flicked on a few days ago: At 5pm there was a cold southerly wind that smelled of penguin shit and illegal whaling; by 8pm it was a nice northerly that smelled of pacific garbage gyres. Plus it's a La Niña year, so hopefully not too many raging bushfires and powercuts because the hydro lakes are empty.

Happy days. Indeed, an afternoon stroll to the tavern may by order.

How's N CA? Summer hanging on by it's fingernails, or are you sliding into winter now?

Edit: Ginger beer is now happening, so long as I can leave it for 24 hours. :9

[XemaSab]

48. We got some rain last week

and now we're back in Indian summer. Migration is happening, and fall is definitely in the air.

I think we're going to have an early winter here.

[Terry in Austin]

24. To the limits of indentation

...and beyond!

:fistbump: