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TheMadMonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 06:54 AM Original message |
Wind power not doing too well in the UK. |
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geckosfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 07:28 AM Response to Original message |
1. Put them where there is a lot of wind. Average output will be higher. |
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Bosonic (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 07:41 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Apparently the UK is the 'windiest' European country |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 08:10 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Actually the study has a bit of ambiguity... |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 08:03 AM Response to Original message |
3. Interesting, but it isn't possible to assess the validity of this study without more information. |
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TheMadMonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 09:57 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. With fifty percent of the capacity, it's a fair first approximation... |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 11:01 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. I disagree, it is not a fair approximation. It has some merit, but only to raise questions. |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 12:11 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Kris, you yourself have posted a number of studies that show only up to 20% wind or so |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 12:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 09:25 PM Response to Reply #3 |
21. They have all that they can meter |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 09:39 PM Response to Reply #3 |
24. How confident are you on the substation/grid point? |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
7. It's a first step toward getting accurate performance data |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 11:47 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. This isn't a "first step"; it is an outlier. |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 11:59 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. How does a factual analysis make it a hit piece? |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 12:20 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. I described the problems with the study in post #3 |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 01:28 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Only what is "seen" by the NG, yes, but if you read on... |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 09:27 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. He took every wind farm he could meter |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 04:20 PM Response to Reply #9 |
19. It makes renewables look bad |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 05:08 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. That is why I am confused by all the attacks on the OP |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 09:54 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. Do you really think that anyone thinks or proposes that wind is 100% |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 01:59 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. The way some of you act, |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 12:03 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. You don't think these numbers are accurate? |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 12:33 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. What about the other 50% of wind turbines that were not in the study? |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 09:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
23. It says in the report |
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TheMadMonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 11:11 PM Response to Reply #13 |
26. Pre-agregate all you like. You can not properly smooth a mix of intermittent... |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 02:09 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Problems |
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TheMadMonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 09:57 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Take a look at Alexandria one day. Much of its Roman understory... |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:46 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Don't get me wrong, I agree with you, mostly |
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TheMadMonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 02:17 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Where I come from stormwater and sewage are kept separate. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 02:30 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. What do you mean by "non-potable" water? |
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TheMadMonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 03:35 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. non-potable Not considered suitable for drinking or cooking. |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 06:25 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. I watched some talk about using all the available resource |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 11:42 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Don't assume plants are like humans |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 12:01 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. I was talking about plants that can't handle the sun |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 09:20 AM Response to Reply #26 |
38. I like your heat storage idea |
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TheMadMonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 10:10 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. PV --> Heat pumps. Run them backwards for electricity out. |
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donco (717 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
15. Install them on the steps of parliament. nt |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 01:32 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Install them on the rooftops of every building in London |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
18. Yawn - wind power is economically viable and produces significant amounts of electricity in the UK |
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arachadillo (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
29. Wind Power in the UK |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 04:36 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. The problem with "planning" for 25% |
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arachadillo (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 03:27 PM Response to Reply #30 |
40. Wind Power Math |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 12:11 AM Response to Reply #40 |
49. Your summary is flawed in several places. This might help. |
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arachadillo (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 11:42 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Read the Article |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 03:46 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. No |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 06:49 AM Response to Reply #40 |
50. Hope you enjoyed your visit to Texas! |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 10:31 AM Response to Reply #29 |
39. Good summary, and welcome to DU! |
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PamW (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
31. Not surprising - it is to be expected. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:46 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. ONOZ! |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 10:21 PM Response to Reply #31 |
43. What are the current capacity factors of Fukushima-Daiichi units 1, 2, 3 & 4 ? |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 10:37 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. What's the capacity factor of Altamont? |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 11:33 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Greater than zero - which is more than the collective capacity factors of those nukes |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 11:39 PM Response to Original message |
46. Nuclear power not doing so well in Japan |
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