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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 09:00 PM
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The DOE SunShot Initiative
http://www1.eere.energy.gov/solar/sunshot/

The DOE SunShot Initiative is a collaborative national initiative to make solar energy technologies cost-competitive with other forms of energy by reducing the cost of solar energy systems by about 75% before 2020. Reducing the total installed cost for utility-scale solar electricity to roughly 6 cents per kilowatt hour without subsidies will result in rapid, large-scale adoption of solar electricity across the United States. Reaching this goal will re-establish American technological leadership, improve the nation's energy security, and strengthen U.S. economic competitiveness in the global clean energy race.


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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 02:42 PM
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1. Oh, hell yeah. Solar for 6 cents /kwh! Do you hear that nuclear power fans? nt
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 02:51 PM
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2. You speak as though it had already happened, as opposed to being a goal... for 2020...
In my completely non-ironic opinion, Fukushima is the renewable moment. The iron is as hot as it's been for a generation. Initiative, shmitiative. Build it. Make it happen.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 03:18 PM
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Yep. This is THE moment.
The next 10 years are the most critical of our civilization's thousand-year reign. Break through or die trying...
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 03:32 PM
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4. Ah, have to crack open Ozzie Spengler's tome...
Edited on Wed Apr-13-11 03:41 PM by bananas
(deleted - off-topic)
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 03:18 PM
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3. dup
Edited on Wed Apr-13-11 03:19 PM by GliderGuider
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 05:45 PM
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5. Why would you think I was contradicting the fact that it was a stated goal?
Edited on Wed Apr-13-11 05:48 PM by kristopher
I think I've demonstrated that I'm a reasonably accurate reader, and reasonably capable of honest discussion. So how would you track that as a statement it had already happened?

Let me answer that, for your interpretation does have merit, even though it is *slightly* miscast. The goal was announced some weeks ago, so it isn't new to most of us. My words expressed certitude, yes they certainly did. But the certitude wasn't about what has been, but what will be.

I have said since 2009 - when the Chinese central government revamped the laws governing how their grid operators are obligated to give purchase preference to renewables - that the direction of the global energy future had been set. All US energy policy into alternatives is aimed at one thing - driving the development of a manufacturing base. I haven't tried to quantify it yet, but with a single stroke the move by China created a market that is so much larger than any potential market the US could possibly generate that every previous projection went instantly in the trash.

Do you remember reading this?

In 2003, when the DOE solar pamphlet below was written, the US was the leader in PV - now we are 5th. Myth #2 identifies a target of 3.2 GWp of US manufacturing capacity as being needed to meet a US goal of 10% of electricity from solar by 2030. The /p/ in GWp refers to manufacturing production capacity.

However since the Republicans have successfully obstructed every policy that would have helped the industry grow here, global solar manufacturing capacity is now the number to look at. Global mfg capacity will reach about 45GWp this year with China's manufacturing capacity alone expected to hit 35GWp, even though they didn't start building solar panel factories until 2007.

To put that in perspective, if China's factories manufacture 35GWp of solar panels each year those panels will produce the equivalent electricity of about 7 or 8 large nuclear power plants. So in 12 years, the amount of now existing factory capacity (in China alone) will manufacture enough panels to equal the output of between 84 - 96 nuclear power plants. And the buildup of manufacturing is just getting started. Within ten years it is hoped/expected/thought that global solar manufacturing capacity will hit 1000GWp/year

(see the slideshow at this solar company website for a graph showing how increased manufacturing directly impacts the price of the electricity produced http://www.1366tech.com/

And before you say it can't be done, consider that in 2007, China wasn't involved in solar manufacturing and now, 4 years later they have 35GWp. After Fukushima, what do you think they are going to do?


Here is part of that 2002 reference by DOE, note #2:
Myth #1
Solar electricity cannot contribute a significant fraction of the nation’s electricity needs.

Solar electric panels can meet electricity demand on any scale, from a single home to a large city. There is plenty of energy in the sunlight shining on all parts of our nation to generate the electricity we need. For example, with today’s commercial systems, the solar energy resource in a 100-by-100-mile area of Nevada could supply the United States with all of its electricity. If these systems were distributed to the 50 states, the land required from each state would be an area of about 17 by 17 miles. This area is available now from parking lots, rooftops, and vacant land. In fact, 90% of America’s current electricity needs could be supplied with solar electric systems built on the estimated 5 million acres of abandoned industrial sites in our nation’s cities.

Myth #2
Solar electricity can do everything—right now!

Solar electricity will eventually contribute a significant part of our electricity supply, but the industry required to produce these systems must grow more than tenfold over the next 10 years. In 2001, about 400 megawatts of solar electric modules were produced worldwide. According to an industry-planning document, in order to supply just 10% of U.S. generation capacity by 2030, the U.S. solar electricity industry must supply more than 3,200 megawatts per year (3.2GWp). Most experts agree that with continued research, solar electric systems will become more efficient, even more reliable, and less expensive.

Download the entire list of "solar myths" the DOE seeks to dispel at:
http://www1.eere.energy.gov/solar/pdfs/32529.pdf

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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 04:21 AM
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6. "Too cheap to meter!"
:P

Here's hoping that they make it ahead of schedule too!

:toast:
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 05:24 AM
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7. The development drivers look to be very durable and robust.
Sometimes I just can't resist descending into corporate/governmental jargon...

Here is to hope for all of us.
:toast:
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 06:16 AM
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8. I definitely agree with that!
Edited on Thu Apr-14-11 06:17 AM by Nihil
> Here is to hope for all of us.
:toast:
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 06:23 AM
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9. So basically you're saying
Edited on Thu Apr-14-11 06:36 AM by Confusious
it's not competitive right now, and this will fix it.

and isn't the DOE a mouthpiece for the nuclear industry?
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