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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 11:50 PM
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Mary Fowler explains high gas prices
And this is why we are screwed... It doesn't matter how bad the climate gets, how badly peak oil clobbers the world economy, how many people die. These people will never understand what's going on.

Rose Aguillar is interviewing people in states that overwhelmingly voted for George W. Bush. It's a fascinating insight in to Real Murika. Here's one from Oklahoma:

Mary Fowler, 54, Housekeeper:

Why do you think gas prices are so high?

(Mary Fowler:) From what I've read, they say it's because of the Iraq war. I've also read about alternatives to gas and even automobiles that use alternatives, but for some reason, the big oil companies bought up the patents for that, so it's not just the Iraq war and it's not President Bush's fault. He gets blamed for everything, but it's not his fault. It's just greed from other people. I feel like the president is doing everything he can to help.

Like what?

For one thing, he is protecting our country by being in Iraq. We can't pull out too soon because they'll think we're chicken and they'll try to attack us again.

(...)

What does it mean to be a Republican?

Republicans pick the people who believe like we do.

You mean believe in the Bible?

Yes and godly principles. If we kick god out, we'll be like other countries that have AIDS, sickness and poverty. God created the earth, he created the rules and he knows what's best for everybody.

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2005_08_14_digbysblog_archive.html#112450204256966443
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 11:55 PM
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1. Please tell me this woman is not allowed to vote
Perhaps re-education camps need to be considered for certain people.
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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 01:28 AM
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9. Yes she is, but that could be why Oklahoma has so many F5 tornado's
each year. Could someone please tell this woman God is punishing there GOP fascism in his name by sending twisters.
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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 11:56 PM
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2. Wow, these people really need the anti Kool-Aid rehab.
"Yes and godly principles. If we kick god out, we'll be like other countries that have AIDS, sickness and poverty. God created the earth, he created the rules and he knows what's best for everybody."

What a sick and delusional statement. My wife's 1st cousin died from aids... blood transfusion , that is aids in our blood supply and yet this Automaton wonders about *'s Godly principals - Sick!!!
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 11:57 PM
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3. I asked a guy I know that runs a 76 station why gas prices are so high
MARKUP was his answer!!
I asked if it had anything to do with production.
Nope - if that happens it takes months to see the effect.

He hates it. Less business. Less people driving. Less people driving means cars don't need as much maintenance.
:mad:
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Redneck Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 11:57 PM
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4. I was arguing with a freeper...
type on another board about global warming a while back. I gave up after he typed that global warming wasn't a problem because god wouldn't make a system that was broken. What can you say to people who seem to honestly believe that? :shrug:
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 08:32 PM
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12. I wonder if he will still be saying that when ..................
the grain crops all fail at the same time some year in the not too distant future??
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 12:00 AM
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5. Good to hear that AIDS, sickness and poverty are signs that ...
... God disapproves.

Good thing we're in the USA, where God definitely likes us and we don't have to worry about AIDS, sickness and poverty.

Amen.

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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 12:02 AM
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6. I haven't come across anything that scary
since Tiny Tims wedding.
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Ready2Snap Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 12:03 AM
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7. Damn near everyone in Oklahoma is batshit anyhow
you need only look at the specimens they sent to Congress to gauge the mind of the average OKan.

The only way to break them out of their stupor would be to shut down all the Fox news outlets that pollute the state's airwaves.

Even then I suspect it would take a generation for the effects to leach out of the mass consciousness.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 12:52 AM
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8. Where do they find these people?
Seriously. I mean, I know they exist. I see them, talk to them, resist the urge to throw up when I hear them on a daily basis. Of course, when I was in New York recently, I was subjected to some rather spectacular nutjobs spouting similar garbage as well. But, specifically, where are these people trying to gage the mind of "Real Murika" going, and what is their methodology? What are they really trying to find, or perhaps more importantly, display?

I was interviewed at length once by someone ostensibly doing a study of people who had developed popular websites exploring controversial historical figures and events of the American Civil War. When I saw the final product of the research, I realized what this person had actually been doing was gathering quotes and even some long expositions from individuals who used their interest in those historical people or events to advance an extremist viewpoint, or as stated, to "expose the racist underbelly of the Civil War enthusiast community." Without going into too much detail, I realized I was targeted specifically because the website I developed dealt with an individual who is to many observers a mass of contradiction. I was asked a lot of what I eventually realized were leading questions, but it didn't matter because as it turned out my interest was genuinely a scholarly interest and not one intended to hide some deeper ideological crusade. So, I didn't give the "right" answers.

And nothing I had said appeared in the study itself. My website wasn't even mentioned. A lot of people like myself who have a genuine, scholarly interest in the war and have been using the Internet since the development of the WWW for mass consumption to try to open avenues of education to people who might not otherwise be aware of these people and events in such detail were a little hurt by the findings. It basically presented a model of those who study the war and related subjects and present their findings free of charge for anyone as nothing but a pile of loons not to be trusted with sharp objects. Thankfully, the commercial website that published this document closed rather quickly not long after several people realized parts of their published work had been lifted wholesale from their own sites and placed on that site with a charge attached for access. You can draw your own conclusions about what this person was actually trying to accomplish. But I digress...

Every time I see something like this, I think of that experience. Am I not a part of "Real America"? Because my opinion and knowledge of events is not obviously ignorant and, let's just admit it, on some level funny to those with working brains, would an interview with me make it into this book? Perhaps so; I honestly don't know. I just find it interesting that this is what's highlighted.

There are a lot of Americans just like this person, and I realize that. There are also a lot of Americans just like those of us who frequent DU. At least half the voters in this country didn't think like this in either 2000 or 2004, and if current polls are to be believed, far less than half think this way now as it pertains to Bush and the war in Iraq. Is the minority, or at best a mere half the population "Real America," while the rest of us are just dumb slobs? Is this study going to show both of us in addition to the varied people of all walks of life to paint its picture of "Real Murika," or is this book just a long joke with a tragic punch-line?

After writing this, I realize this does not fit with the topic of the forum itself, but I think its a valid observation/question nonetheless given the context of the interviewees remarks.

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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 01:53 AM
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10. Easy.
Here's how to find one. Go to the exurbs around 2pm. Find a road with a good amount of traffic. Drive in circles until you get cut off very rudely by an SUV. If it has one of those "fish" stickers (the variety without the legs, not the ones that say "Darwin"), there ya go.

(Humor aside, your points are well taken, in general. It's the nature of the business to highlight the extreme. However if you click through the above link you'll find that this particular interviewer does present a pretty good cross-section.)

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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 01:58 AM
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11. Thanks for the nudge ...

I somehow managed not to notice the link to the actual article. You're right. My implied criticism of this interviewer is misplaced.

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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 10:43 PM
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13.  but for some reason, the big oil companies bought up the patents for that
Mind exercise:

1. Go to http://www.uspto.gov/patft/index.html, the United States Patent Office's

2. To get started, click on the Issued Patents - click box.

3. This brings you to the page.

    a) Skip down to Query
    b) In the "Term 1" text box put in an alternative energy related term. I tried "photovoltaic".
    c) Leave "Field 1" at "All Fields"
    d) In the "Term 2" text box put in the name of energy company. I tried Exxon.
    e) In "Field 2" pull down "Assignee Name"
    f) Click "Search"


and the search tool returns 46 hits

You can play this game with the various alternative energy sources - and the oil companies.

For companies that are just doing the research to placate California's Air Resources Board and to "have trading chips if anything ever comes of this" (which is what an executivof a major oil company told me is the motivation for the research) e--- they sure do have lots of patents.

But at their levels of capital budgeting - chump change.

And have you seen any product?

Mostly the work is done by PhD candidates as part of their dissertation. They are hired for several years - paid to leave -- and required to sign "Non-Disclosure" and "Non-Disparagement" Agreements.
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