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trof (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 09:08 AM Original message |
Cheap solar power poised to undercut oil and gas by half |
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rolandking (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 09:08 AM Response to Original message |
1. Gas |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 10:17 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. that is kind of silly - yes it's true at the moment but mainly because of economics |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 10:52 AM Response to Reply #6 |
13. I'll drive my gas powered truck until I have an alternative and not a moment longer |
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Ghost Dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 02:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
32. Some Flisom Details: |
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Ghost Dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 03:18 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. More on the Nanotech operation here: |
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snappyturtle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 06:14 PM Response to Reply #32 |
43. Boy would I like to know how long they think Flisom will last |
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skids (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 06:40 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Yeah a lot of the other CIGS folks use a steel substrate. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 07:53 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Well, maybe they can come up with a feasible, cheap, plant-based |
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Thevenin (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-21-07 12:09 PM Response to Reply #48 |
77. Plastics |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 01:32 PM Response to Reply #77 |
91. Yep... |
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Thevenin (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-21-07 12:04 PM Response to Reply #43 |
76. Al foil substrate |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 07:51 PM Response to Reply #1 |
47. You're SO right! There's no point in even trying to mitigate our impact |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-21-07 10:56 AM Response to Reply #47 |
68. Well don't kill yourself |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-21-07 11:34 AM Response to Reply #68 |
73. ROFLMAO!!! Ok. |
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diane in sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 08:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
53. I'm driving a gas powered Rav 4 |
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mdelaguna2000 (300 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-21-07 05:42 AM Response to Reply #53 |
62. couldn't agree more |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-21-07 10:52 AM Response to Reply #1 |
67. If I had an electric car |
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Thevenin (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-21-07 11:59 AM Response to Reply #1 |
75. Solar powered cars? Sort of |
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cigsandcoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
2. Wonderful. Bring it on! n/t |
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razorman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 09:18 AM Response to Original message |
3. This is great, if true. |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 01:54 PM Response to Reply #3 |
28. It's feasible now. My computer is running off of it. |
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trof (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-21-07 08:01 AM Response to Reply #28 |
65. More info, PLEASE? |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 07:55 PM Response to Reply #3 |
49. That won't make Bushie very happy, I fear. |
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youngdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
4. I sure hope this isn't more 'cold fusion' pie in the sky bullshit |
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diane in sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 08:53 PM Response to Reply #4 |
54. Solar film is for real right now. |
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LiberalEsto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 10:10 AM Response to Original message |
5. Hey W, time to nuke Switzerland! |
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LaurenG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 10:25 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Yikes! |
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goforit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
8. Hip hip hooorah!!!!! |
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Boxerfan (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
9. Many many practical applications for this & yes even cars can utilize this... |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 10:55 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. sounds good to me, I'll take it |
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FredStembottom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 12:42 PM Response to Reply #9 |
23. Thank you, Boxerfan! |
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suziedemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 03:44 PM Response to Reply #9 |
34. Solar panels built into car bodies. Wouldn't that be wonderful! Trbrid cars! |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 07:57 PM Response to Reply #9 |
50. Hey, back off! I am the one who invented the biodiesel hybrid |
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diane in sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 08:55 PM Response to Reply #9 |
55. I want one now! |
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Not Sure (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 09:33 PM Response to Reply #9 |
57. GM had diesel hybrid technology in production in the 30s |
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Ready4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-21-07 11:06 PM Response to Reply #9 |
83. Yes, but it would be a different rate of travelling. |
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goforit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
10. And it comes in different colors.......Solar can be fashionable!!! |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
11. What is the polymer foil made from? nt |
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razorman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 11:44 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Probably ground-up hybrid cars |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 11:54 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Are you being snarky or enjoy being a troll? nt |
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razorman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 12:37 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. I was merely making a joke about how our society |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 12:45 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Snarky is being a wise ass, troll is a freep. nt |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 08:00 PM Response to Reply #22 |
51. "Haven't accepted hybrids?" Hm. That's funny. I live 3 miles from work, |
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diane in sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 08:57 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. Prius is breaking sales records! |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-21-07 11:36 AM Response to Reply #56 |
74. I know several people personally who have them, and they all LOVE them |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-23-07 08:23 PM Response to Reply #74 |
92. Yeah, they're great! |
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Ready4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-21-07 11:10 PM Response to Reply #22 |
84. I see Priuses all around me. |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 11:58 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Couldn't sell??! Bwahahahaha... |
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midnight armadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 12:30 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Prius now needs incentives to sell |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 02:43 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. Show me a link. Last time I visited the car dealership... |
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midnight armadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 04:09 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. ask and ye shall receive |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 04:29 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Just cuz they're using incentives, doesn't mean they NEED them. |
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Ready4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-21-07 11:18 PM Response to Reply #36 |
85. Deathknell for US automakers. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 12:12 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Gee in California (and everywhere else that I'm aware of) there are waiting lists for hybrids |
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suziedemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 04:00 PM Response to Reply #20 |
35. There was still a waiting list for the Prius in Indiana last fall. |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
12. You bet'chi, now we are talking |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
15. This is pie in the sky talk from a start up |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 12:08 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Sorry - thin film production and CGIS are the Next Big Thing in PV |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 01:17 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. Man will never fly! |
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Ready4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-21-07 11:24 PM Response to Reply #26 |
86. People will suffocate at 40mph, you know. |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 01:26 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. Its still evolutionary not revolutionary |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-21-07 11:09 AM Response to Reply #15 |
69. Obviously solar is not going to mean we'll decommission all other sources |
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One_Life_To_Give (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 11:04 AM Response to Reply #69 |
88. At $1 / watt efficiency won't matter |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 11:24 AM Response to Reply #88 |
89. If electricity became cheaper |
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One_Life_To_Give (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 01:22 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Short term electric price won't drop |
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dweller (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
25. Sweet !! |
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donkeyotay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
29. Thanks for this post |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
31. Hallelujah, we're saved! |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 04:49 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. I'm also interested that... |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 05:39 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Two related threads... |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 05:43 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. I've been reading the "solar poised..." headline for 25 years. |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 06:06 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. They seem to be getting more frequent, though... |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 06:34 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Maybe it will induce virtual PV/anti-PV pairs, which we can use for over-unity energy. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-21-07 11:12 AM Response to Reply #42 |
70. Goldman Sachs is a HUGH financer of alt energy now |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-21-07 02:57 PM Response to Reply #70 |
78. Solar thermal is a slightly different animal... |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-21-07 08:51 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. Solar thermal is different, yes |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 08:11 PM Response to Reply #31 |
52. Well, I'm saying IF THIS IS TRUE, I might actually live as long as |
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Porcupine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 11:40 PM Response to Reply #31 |
59. We return to the regularly scheduled ecocide. |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
37. I want me some. I want to turn my house solar yesterday. Even |
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skids (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 06:47 PM Response to Reply #37 |
46. Don't wait for PV. |
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AnotherDreamWeaver (917 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-21-07 04:59 PM Response to Reply #37 |
80. It's easy to do |
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AikidoSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-20-07 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
58. U.S. gov agencies have a history of subverting solar technology |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-21-07 09:04 AM Response to Reply #58 |
66. How do they manage to pull that off in... |
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AikidoSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-21-07 11:29 AM Response to Reply #66 |
72. I don't know much about other countries and how those governments support or subvert |
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amerikat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-21-07 01:35 AM Response to Original message |
60. I currently work for a company that is developing CiGS technology |
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skids (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-21-07 07:10 AM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Too much competition, yeah, I can see that. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-21-07 02:51 AM Response to Original message |
61. Within Five Years |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-21-07 07:19 AM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Five years is just long enough |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-21-07 11:29 AM Response to Reply #64 |
71. Reality check - PV is off and running *today* - not five years from now |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-21-07 03:10 PM Response to Reply #71 |
79. It's a nice lifeboat technology |
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Tace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-21-07 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
81. WARNING! -- This Guy Works For Swift-Boat Publisher Regnery |
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Chemical Bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-22-07 09:23 AM Response to Reply #81 |
87. I wondered if anyone would notice that. |
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suziedemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-23-07 08:40 PM Response to Reply #87 |
93. I have had so many right-wingers tell me how Clinton was somehow involved in drug running in AK |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-23-07 08:48 PM Response to Reply #81 |
94. How much solar energy is produced in Germany? |
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