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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 06:04 PM
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People ask: "What can I do about global warming?" Probably the most powerful act you can take to
fight global warming is to email Congressmen and Senators to pass a carbon tax - at the very least on the power industry. This would force utilities to stop building conventional coal fired plants and build IGCC (Integrated Gasification Combined Cycle) plants configured to capture the carbon dioxide. These plants cost about 20% more to build but are 15% cheaper to operate!

Dozens of conventional coal fired plants are planned to be built. This must not happen. IF they are forced to build IGCC plants, that will keep the carbon from being pumped into the air.

go to www.congress.org. They make it easy to email your representatives and senators. Just enter your zip and it pops up with your senators and reps. You just type in a message into an input field and click on send and it's taken car of for you!

If enough people start emailing them, they will act.

article on a IGCC plant in Florida:

http://www.discover.com/issues/dec-06/features/clean-coal-technology/


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Moby Grape Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 07:24 PM
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1. tax on jet fuel for international flight, zero, not a penny
US, tax on fuel for domestic flight,
four cents a gallon
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NelsonMuntz Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 07:38 PM
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2. Al Gore’s “Inconvenient Truth
http://www.tennesseepolicy.org/main/article.php?article_id=367

Al Gore’s Personal Energy Use Is His Own “Inconvenient Truth”
Gore’s home uses more than 20 times the national average

Last night, Al Gore’s global-warming documentary, An Inconvenient Truth, collected an Oscar for best documentary feature, but the Tennessee Center for Policy Research has found that Gore deserves a gold statue for hypocrisy.

Gore’s mansion, located in the posh Belle Meade area of Nashville, consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year, according to the Nashville Electric Service (NES).

In his documentary, the former Vice President calls on Americans to conserve energy by reducing electricity consumption at home.

The average household in America consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per year, according to the Department of Energy. In 2006, Gore devoured nearly 221,000 kWh—more than 20 times the national average.

Last August alone, Gore burned through 22,619 kWh—guzzling more than twice the electricity in one month than an average American family uses in an entire year. As a result of his energy consumption, Gore’s average monthly electric bill topped $1,359.

Since the release of An Inconvenient Truth, Gore’s energy consumption has increased from an average of 16,200 kWh per month in 2005, to 18,400 kWh per month in 2006.

Gore’s extravagant energy use does not stop at his electric bill. Natural gas bills for Gore’s mansion and guest house averaged $1,080 per month last year.

“As the spokesman of choice for the global warming movement, Al Gore has to be willing to walk to walk, not just talk the talk, when it comes to home energy use,” said Tennessee Center for Policy Research President Drew Johnson.

In total, Gore paid nearly $30,000 in combined electricity and natural gas bills for his Nashville estate in 2006.


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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 08:13 PM
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3. Welcome to DU, Nelson...
Somehow, I don't think Al Gore qualifies as a typical US citizen. His "household" bill will include a hell of a lot of extras for staff, secret service men, the occasional journalist... It's a bit like claiming George W. Bush is a fat bastard because the whitehouse spends more than $50/day on food.
If you have any figures on how many people contribute to Al's electric bill, fell free to post them. If not, enjoy your stay...
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NelsonMuntz Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 08:24 PM
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5. Mr Parrot

Al Gore say Lets save the Planet.
Every light (48 of them) in my house is a compact flourecent, I walk the walk.
Unlike Gore who Say's save the planet the burns up as much energy as twenty households.
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 08:32 PM
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6. And how many staff do you have?
Unless you have any figures on how much Gore personally uses, you are shooting blanks.
Out of interest, how many people are in your household?
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lakeguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 11:58 PM
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11. whats your carbon footprint?
if its higher than 0, Gore has you beat.
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NelsonMuntz Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 11:27 PM
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20. Why the Gore Story Matters
http://www.ecotality.com/blog/?p=350
February 28, 2007
Why the Gore Story MattersFiled under: eco-friendly, Al Gore, global warming, Carbon Dioxide Emissions
— Bill Hobbs @ 10:49 am
As the controversy over global warming doomsayer Al Gore’s voracious energy-eater mansion rolls on, there’s an angle I think merits deeper investigation than it is currently getting. While much of the focus has been on whether or not Gore is an environmental hypocrite, the story has raised the profile of the role of “carbon offsets” in achieving a “greener,” more environmentally friendly world.
In its original story, The Tennessean newspaper in Nashville reported that Gore buys “carbon offsets” to compensate for his home’s use of energy from carbon-based fuels. What is a “carbon offset,” exactly? Essentially, it’s a payment someone makes to an environmentally friendly entity to compensate for personally using non-green energy.
As Wikipedia explains, a carbon offset “is a service that tries to reduce the net carbon emissions of individuals or organizations indirectly, through proxies who reduce their emissions and/or increase their absorption of greenhouse gases.” Wikipedia goes on to explain that “a wide variety of offset actions are available; tree planting is the most common. Renewable energy and energy conservation offsets are also popular, including emissions trading credits.”
So far, so good. So, where does Gore buy his ‘carbon offsets’? According to The Tennessean newspaper’s report, Gore buys his carbon offsets through Generation Investment Management. a company he co-founded and serves as chairman:
Gore helped found Generation Investment Management, through which he and others pay for offsets. The firm invests the money in solar, wind and other projects that reduce energy consumption around the globe…
As co-founder and chairman of the firm Gore presumably draws an income or will make money as its investments prosper. In other words, he “buys” his “carbon offsets” from himself, through a transaction designed to boost his own investments and return a profit to himself. To be blunt, Gore doesn’t buy “carbon offsets” through Generation Investment Management - he buys stocks.
And it is not clear at all that Gore’s stock purchases - excuse me, “carbon offsets” purchases - actually help reduce the use of carbon-based energy at all, while the gas lanterns and other carbon-based energy burners at his house continue to burn carbon-based fuels and pump carbon emissions - a/k/a/ “greenhouse gases” - into the atmosphere.
As the news media swarmed around the story of Gore’s gargantuan energy consumption yesterday, Gore’s people touted his purchase of “carbon offsets” as evidence that he lives a “carbon-neutral” lifestyle, but the truth is Gore’s home uses electricity that is, for the most part, derived from the burning of carbon fuels. His house gets its electricity from Nashville Electric Service, which gets its from the Tennessee Valley Authority, which produces most of its power from coal-burning power plants. Which means most of the power being consumed at the Gore mansion comes from carbon-emitting power sources.
But do Gore’s “carbon offsets” payments really compensate for his big non-green power usage?
Wikipedia again:
The intended goal of carbon offsets is to combat global warming. The appeal of becoming “carbon neutral” has contributed to the growth of voluntary offsets, which often are a more cost-effective alternative to reducing one’s own fossil-fuel consumption. However, the actual amount of carbon reduction (if any) from an offset project is difficult to measure, largely unregulated, and vulnerable to misrepresentation.
Did you get that? Carbon offsets are an “alternative to reducing one’s own fossil-fuel consumption” and yet “the actual amount of carbon reduction (if any) from an offset project is difficult to measure, largely unregulated, and vulnerable to misrepresentation.”
One way to misrepresent things: Tell a newspaper your stock purchases are really purchases of “carbon offsets.”
Gore travels the nation and the world blaming man’s use of carbon-based energy for global warming - burning thousands of gallons of jet fuel as he goes. His efforts are being rewarded. Politically, he’s helped put climate change at the top of the national and even global agenda. And that has driven up the perceived prospects and in many cases the stock value of companies viewed as “green” or environmentally friendly.
Companies like those his investment management firm invest his own and other peoples’ money in. (You can see a list of Generation Investment Management’s holdings here, courtesy of the U.S. Securities & Exchange Commission.)
As one commenter posting on a few blogs covering the Gore story yesterday put it:
Hmmm. The Goracle is chairman and a founding partner of Generation Investment Management LLP, a boutique international investment firm that invests other peoples’ money, for a fee, into the stocks of ‘green’ companies. … So when Al beats the drum for possible future global warming, he’s also drumming up business.
And profiting from hyping the “global warming” crisis.
In a nutshell, Gore consumes large amounts of carbon-based electricity while he trumpets the global warming crisis that drives up the value of “green” companies like the ones in which he buys carbon offsets invests in their stocks.
And “carbon offsets” are a dodgy way for someone to claim to be carbon-neutral even as they consume large amounts of carbon-based energy. The notion that selling carbon offsets actually helps the environment is taken as a given by those who sell them and by those who buy them, but at this point it is unproven.
While some bloggers and pundits have likened “carbon offsets” to the “indulgences” the pre-Reformation Catholic Church sold to the wealthy so they could continue to sin (see video at end of this post), the writer of the blog The Virginian says carbon offsets are more like the “sumptuary laws” of medieval times, laws that regulated and reinforced social hierarchies and morals through restrictions on clothing, food, and luxury expenditures.
In the Late Middle Ages sumptuary laws were instated as a way for the nobility to cap the conspicuous consumption of the up-and-coming bourgeoisie of medieval cities. … The danger is that the use of “carbon offsets” will create two things that re morally monstrous: a de-facto sumptuary law and the impoverishments of the poor and powerless of this planet. The creation of an aristocratic elite that differentiates itself from the hoi polloi by its ability to buy “carbon offsets” while the rest of the planet is forced by environmental laws into a smaller and smaller carbon straightjacket is not so far fetched.
Read the whole thing.
None of this should be construed as me not believing in global warming. I do believe the planet is getting warmer. I don’t necessarily agree that man’s activities are the primary or even significant cause of that warming - after all, the Earth warmed up significantly centuries before the Industrial Age, and there is plenty of evidence that cyclical solar activity impacts the earth’s temperatures.
But burning fossil fuels is stupid even if it doesn’t contribute a whit to global warming - petroleum can be used to make products that are much more valuable than gasoline and jet fuel, and even if carbon pollution doesn’t cause global warming, it is pollution that makes the air we breathe dirty and fouls the land and the water. And then of course there’s that whole problem of the geopolitical issues of oil and that related problem of buying oil from societies from whence come people who want to kill us.
As the story evolves, it should move away from Gore’s “Gulfstream Liberal” hypocrisy and on to more important questions such as the efficacy of “carbon offsets,” and a variety of other economy-oriented policy issues that impact the environment, such as whether market-based solutions or government-planned approaches are more likely to foster the technology innovation and lifestyle choice changes that benefit the environment.
Hypocrisy, after all, abounds. Even Gore’s huge electric power usage at his Nashville home isn’t the only example of how the prophet of environmental doom hasn’t always lived as if he believes his message. During the eight years Gore was vice president, he voted in four national elections. Every single time, he and his entourage and security detail and accompanying media flew to Nashville on a large government jet, burning thousands of gallons of fossil fuels and pumping huge amounts of carbon emissions directly into the earth’s atmosphere, and then rode in a caravan of fossil fuel-burning vehicles from Nashville International Airport about 40 miles east on I-40 to Carthage, Tennessee, so the local and national TV cameras could get video of him at the voting booth. And then the whole caravan headed back to Nashville for the plane ride back to DC. Traffic had to be halted on Nashville’s interstates and side streets every time - sometimes during rush hour - idling thousand of vehicles that just sat there, burning fossil fuels and emitting carbon pollution, just so Gore could create a media photo-op.
He could have instead voted by mailing in an absentee ballot - that would have been the “green” thing to do - and a skillful press aide could easily have turned that into a widely publicized pro-green photo-op.
And, finally, for laughs, Jim Treacher’s house of bloggage The Daily Gut has this to say about Gore’s electric usage:
It’s great that he’s using solar panels and all that, but notice he’s not disputing how huge his electric bill still is. What the hell is he doing in there? Is he a Terminator from the future and requires constant recharging? (That would explain pretty much everything.)
Yes it would.
UPDATE: Via the blog on the website of carbon offsets marketer TerraPass I found a recent New York Times story that is skeptical of carbon offsets.
Some carbon-offset firms have begun to acknowledge that certain investments like tree-planting may be ineffective, and they are shifting their focus to what they say is reliable activity, like wind turbines, cleaner burning stoves, or buying up credits that otherwise would allow companies to pollute.
Still, as demand for greener living grows, the number of companies jumping into the game has multiplied. At least 60 companies sold offsets worth about $110 million to consumers in Europe and North America in 2006, up from only about a dozen selling offsets worth $6 million in 2004, according to Abyd Karmali of ICF International.Yet another perverse effect, say critics, is that some types of carbon-offset initiatives may actually slow the changes aimed at coping with global warming by prolonging consumers’ dependence on oil, coal and gas, and encouraging them to take more short-haul flights and drive bigger cars than they would otherwise have done.
Climate Care, for example, has linked up with Land Rover, a maker of sport utility vehicles, to help the company offset its own emissions. As part of a promotional program, Climate Care also helps purchasers of new Land Rovers offset their first 45,000 miles of driving.
In that way, the program may actually help sell “larger cars with higher emissions” and thus contribute more to global warming, according to Mary Taylor, a campaigner with the energy and climate team at Friends of the Earth.
The words “snake oil” come to mind…
Too bad that $110 million that well-intentioned but gullible folks spent on “carbon offsets” couldn’t have been invested in developing hydrogen fuel-cell technology closer to the point that it can replace the internal combustion engine. That’s a “carbon offset” that will actually make a difference.

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NelsonMuntz Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 09:12 PM
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8. From Treehugger.com
Edited on Mon Feb-26-07 09:27 PM by NelsonMuntz
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/02/is_george_bush.php

Is George Bush a Closet Green?
by Lloyd Alter, Toronto on 02.19.07
Design & Architecture

Only your dispassionate Canadian correspondent could write this without colour or favour, but is it possible that George Bush is a secret Green? Evidently his Crawford Winter White House has 25,000 gallons of rainwater storage, gray water collection from sinks and showers for irrigation, passive solar, geothermal heating and cooling. “By marketplace standards, the house is startlingly small,” says David Heymann, the architect of the 4,000-square-foot home. “Clients of similar ilk are building 16-to-20,000-square-foot houses.” Furthermore for thermal mass the walls are clad in "discards of a local stone called Leuders limestone, which is quarried in the area. The 12-to-18-inch-thick stone has a mix of colors on the top and bottom, with a cream- colored center that most people want. “They cut the top and bottom of it off because nobody really wants it,” Heymann says. “So we bought all this throwaway stone. It’s fabulous. It’s got great color and it is relatively inexpensive.” Hmm, back to that vote about the Greenest President? ::off Grid via ::EcoRazzi


BTW Here is John Edwards House
Nice heated and air-conditioned stroll to the horsebarn.

HMM Can you say Clear cut. I guess he doesn't like trees.
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 03:35 AM
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12. So, are you going to reply to post 6...
...or are you the world's most obvious troll?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 01:14 AM
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22. Search is instructive.
I'd go with the second.
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NelsonMuntz Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 11:55 AM
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16. Trees implicated in greenhouse gas conundrum
http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/News/2006/January/12010601.asp

Trees implicated in greenhouse gas conundrum

12 January 2006


An unexpected and startling discovery that plants emit millions of tonnes of greenhouse gas methane every year has plunged climate change discussions into disarray.

Trees and plants emit up to 30 per cent of the world’s methane, Frank Keppler at the Max Plank Institute for Nuclear Physics, Heidelberg, Germany, and his colleagues claim. After discovering that fallen leaves, or plant litter, produced methane, Keppler investigated whether living plants also produce this highly reduced gas in air – an oxygen rich environment. He calculated that plants give off between 60 and 240 million tonnes of methane per year.

The news has shocked the atmospheric science community. ‘I’m still amazed that people haven’t seen it before,’ said David Lowe, from the National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research, Wellington, New Zealand. ‘You wouldn’t expect methane to come from plants and the air. You won’t find any chemical reaction that people know about that would do that.’

See link for full story.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 12:20 PM
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Porcupine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 12:36 AM
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21. compost gives off significant amounts of methane...
Which is why you want to thin, coppice and prune trees every fall and turn the slash into bio-char aka Terra Pretta process.

The process allows you to harvest some hydrogen for cogeneration and the big chunks of charcoal and bury the rest. The buried charcoal is close to geologically permanent and enhances of ability of the soil to grow plants.

Repeat for about 25 generatons and you have a seriously productive forest and reduced GHG's.
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 06:02 PM
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23. OF course, it this is true, still plants didn't just bump up their production of methane in the last
100 years. This certainly demands further investigation. but if this is true plants have been emitting methane ever since, well, ever since there have been plants. The huge increase in Global temps and atmospheric CO2 equivalents has occurred since the dawn of the industrial age.

mans use of fossil fuels still is a major source of concern.





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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 08:16 PM
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4. We can have a carbon tax, or we can have extinction.
Although why you feel the need to push "clean coal" is matter for you and your therapist to discuss.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 08:37 PM
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7. You can do better than that. Here's my 10-point personal action plan to save the world.
1. Don't have children.
2. Stop driving a personal automobile.
3. Stop traveling by airplane.
4. Stop eating meat.
5. Stop eating fish.
6. Stop buying new stuff.
7. Grow your own food. If you can't, buy only food that is grown within 200 km. of your home.
8. Reduce your personal energy consumption as close to zero as you can.
9. Buy your electricity from a green supplier.
10. Get out of debt and stay there.

If you can do all these, or even come reasonably close to half of them, you'll have done a lot more for the planet than you would by just sending an email to a Senator.

By the way, if you can't do #1 because you already have kids, let me introduce you to the idea of "Population Offsets". It works like carbon offsets, where if you produce CO2 you can pay someone else to not produce or to absorb the same amount. The way population offsets work is that you can have a kid if you shoot someone else's. It's a Modest Proposal, offered in the spirit of making the world a better place...

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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 09:28 PM
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9. That's a good list as it goes.
Edited on Mon Feb-26-07 09:44 PM by NNadir
1. I have failed on number 1 twice, but I had myself sterilized afterward. Having two was environmentally irresponsible, but happily for me, there are a number of gay people in my wife's family and you never know, one of my sons could grow up gay.

One of the most interesting approaches to producing small family size is, paradoxically, to provide excellent health care for children. One might think that raising the mortality rate for children would decrease the population, but the experimentally observed effect is quite the opposite.

In general we should celebrate rather than demonetize our gay citizens - especially the ones who opt out of breeding - our single citizens, and our citizens who otherwise decide to remain childless. This is not how our culture is actually set up though.


2. Unlike many people, I have spent a few years of my life trying this one out, although regrettably I abandoned this fine proposal after being hit by cars while bicycling just once too often. We can and should walk more, bicycle more, and take mass transit more. I did this in LA and lived on a bicycle. I will always remember my private revolution against the internal combustion engine with great fondness, but frankly I surrendered rather than triumphed. It was however, the most noble effort of my lifetime. It was difficult in many ways, but I was enormously healthy. I was actually considered attractive at the time, and can't remember for the life of me what that was like. The bicycle, in particular, is one of the human races best inventions. It is curious that people drive to "health clubs" to ride stationary bicycles. That shows just how weird our culture really is.

3. In terms of fuel efficiency, flying is often cheaper than driving a car, but that's not saying much. American business demands people fly for "personal interactions," but it's kind of silly, really. One gets exhausted, and cranky, and sick, and fat, and feels like shit for living such a life. I work pretty hard these days - and try to avoid travel - but if I ever vacation again, I plan to stay home for the entire time, sleep late, and just walk and bicycle in this area. There is no fucking reason in the world that dragging my ass across the planet to take photos of myself standing in front of a volcano on the Island of Hawaii would constitute rest and relaxation.

4. This is easy to do once you get started. I'm going on thirty years. Broad adoption of this sensible would have a negative impact on the bizarre fantasies of insensible people who think that cow shit has no environmental cost and that powering, say, ethanol stills with cow shit is an environmentally responsible idea.

5. This is also easy to do, but until recently fish were not being raised industrially. Arguably there could be situations in which eating fish would be sustainable, but nothing at all is sustainable with six billion people on the planet. See point #1.

6. This is easy to do, although there is a strong cultural inhibition to do so. Curiously many people argue that it is environmentally sound to buy "all new stuff," since new appliances - it is argued in spite of any sense of reality - often is more efficient than the old stuff. However it happens that any new stuff, including an energy star air conditioner, has an environmental manufacturing cost. The "new stuff" crap underlies all the talk about hybrids, efficient furnaces, efficient refrigerators, etc. This is, of course, mindless consumerism on some level, but almost no one is interested in placing reality on a higher plane than self delusion. A lot of people think it is environmentally responsible to throw away their twenty year old refrigerator and buy a new one, even though the manufacturing cost of the old refrigerator has been amortized environmentally many times.

7. You cannot necessarily do this if you a poor landless peasant living in a ten story crumbling walk up in Brooklyn. You can however, trap or hunt your own rats and kill them and make rat sandwiches from hydrolyzed grass growing between chunks of broken concrete and asphalt in abandoned lots, so long as you don't feed the rats with the grains John Wxy wants to put in gas tanks.

8. This would have the immediate effect of reducing life expectancy to something like twenty or thirty years. This would almost certainly solve the population problem, but probably not without wholesale environmental destruction as people war for the last bit of rat flesh that can be trapped. I expect that this may prove to be the de facto outcome, except for some rich folks (aka "trust fund brats") with tens of thousands of dollars worth of solar cells, batteries and McMansions with South facing windows.

9. I buy my electricity from a company that produces half of its electricity by nuclear means. This is a happy circumstance and makes me environmentally better off than most. Green power suppliers are mostly full of shit and mostly this is a slick marketing game to skim money off of self deluded people. Caveat Emptor.

10. Easier said than done for most. The most powerful debt there is on the earth is the debt being paid by dumping dangerous fossil fuel waste into the atmosphere while lying to ourselves about points 1 through 9.

This is a very good list, I think, but I expect everyone will ignore it. I know I have ignored most of the points on it myself and I am a very sanctimonious son of a bitch.
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 10:37 PM
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10. I don't drive.
Well, I rent a car if I need one. It costs about $20/day.

Your 10 points remind me of Y2K 'survivalist' guides - nutty then, but en vogue now. Replace 'survivalist' with 'sustainability' and you have something for the Home Shopping Network.
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 04:14 AM
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13. Well...
1)Only one, with no more planned. I've not taken the NNadir's SScisors' route yet, but we'll see.
2)I'm down to about once a month. Not perfect, but a start.
3)I'm in New Zealand. Where would I want to go? :)
4)Maybe, someday. Since the stuff I eat is pasture-fed, it's not on my priority list.
5)Even Lutefisk? ;)
6)No problem there, I'm a tight bastard anyway.
7)The question is, How can I stop the cats pissing the broccoli? (Serious answers needed!)
8)Does this count?
9) See (8)
10) I wish! But I don't have a credit card - just a mortgage....
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Porcupine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 06:45 AM
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14. Looking at my carbon footprint.
1. I produced 2 and got clipped. Two of my brothers are childless so I count myself ahead.

2. I have to have a truck for my trade. I drive the smallest truck I could get that would fit my needs, a Chevy S-10 and stay off the freeway.

3. I'm a no-fly guy. Can't afford it.

4. Switching to local grass fed where available.
5. Can't afford fish.

6. I live in a small apartment. I replace clothes when holy. Everything else is used.

7. 3/4 of my food comes from 50 miles of my home. I live in the heart of the best farmland in the world, N. California. We have a year round farmers market 1.5 miles from home. Three markets a week in the summer. I personally know the guys who grow my rice and bake my bread. Not really an option for most people.

8. All lightbulbs are CFL's. My average energy bill is under $40 monthly. The apartment I rent has 2 shared walls so energy costs are cheap.

9. Not an option in California.

10. I owe the US government for a student loan. That's it.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 07:11 AM
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15. Well done!
That's an impressive powerdown.

I guess I'd better post my own results:

1. Married twice, no kids. In fact between me, my two ex-wives and my two sisters, there are a grand total of two kids. I got snipped over 15 years ago, and one sister had her tubes tied at the age of 30.

2. Two years ago I switched from a BMW 540i/6 that I drove everywhere to a VW Jetta TDI that mostly sits in the driveway. I take the bus to work, so I drive less than 5000 miles a year.

3. I fly about once every two years.

4. I haven't stopped eating meat completely, but I eat about a third of what I did a few years ago. It's generally grass-fed beef or free-range chicken when I do.

5. No fish, except for the occasional bowl of salmon salad.

6. It's hard to break the habit of buying new. We do get most of our dishes from the Sally Ann, but I draw the line at clothes. I'm completing my stereo system with a pair of 40 year old speakers (Quad ESL-57s, so it's not exactly a hardship...)

7. Half our yard is a vegetable garden. SWMBO is a major supporter of food sovereignty and local farming, so we eat mostly local produce.

8. We could do better on this. We do the CFL thing, but we need to add insulation to our porous little bungalow. I did downgrade from a 3500 sq. ft. McMansion to this 1500 sq. ft. bungalow four years ago (around the time of ex-wife #2...)

9. We buy our electricity from http://www.bullfrogpower.com/">Bullfrog Power.

10. I've had a few decades to work on it, so I'm debt-free.

All in all I'm content. Plus it's nice that whenever some freeper says, "Well you talk big, but what have you actually done???" I have a smackdown handy.
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NelsonMuntz Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 12:11 PM
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17. The Truth is in the details.
welcome to Bullfrog Power!

Bullfrog Power is the first 100% green electricity retailer in Ontario. Clean power is here. It's reliable. And making the switch is simple!
Bullfrog Power is the only electricity retailer in Ontario that buys power exclusively from wind and low-impact hydro generators who meet or exceed the federal government's Environmental Choice Program EcoLogo standard for renewable electricity.

how does Bullfrog Power work?

When you switch to Bullfrog Power, you continue to draw your power from Ontario's electricity grid in the same way that you always have. You don't need any special equipment. And there is no change to the reliability of your electricity supply. It's easy!


And here is the truth.

Electrons are electrons. No matter who you pay your generation charges to, you are getting your juice from the nearest one or two stations, dirty or clean.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 12:49 PM
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19. Of course.
Edited on Tue Feb-27-07 01:06 PM by GliderGuider
Companies like this offer a sort of carbon offset opportunity. The premium I pay for my power goes into their investments in green power generators. I don't benefit directly, but my pittance goes toward increasing the grid-share of wind and micro-hydro power. There's no flim-flam, they make it very clear that is what's going on. Ultimately I don't care where the specific electrons I'm using come from, what matters to me is that the grid overall gets cleaner.

Are you having fun? Are you going to get serious any time soon?
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 06:55 PM
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24. Don't have children
That's the most powerful act I can imagine.
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