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rini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 08:54 AM
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Canada preparing to enforce Islamic law
Canadian judges soon will be enforcing Islamic law, or Sharia, in disputes between Muslims, possibly paving the way to one day administering criminal sentences, such as stoning women caught in adultery.


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35850
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 08:58 AM
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1. If that's true
scratch Canada as a possible place to live. Even though I wouldn't have to follow those laws, any legal system that would enforce it at any level it is not for me.
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LeftistGorilla Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-03 10:36 AM
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18. that's okay....
you should stay in America and fix it...

btw...the article is BS...
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Jerseycoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 09:46 AM
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2. That is a right wing site, right?
A very peculiar story. Is this being reported in the mainstream press up there?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 12:43 AM
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pistoff democrat Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 11:15 AM
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16. Please google:
"Canada Preparing to Enforce Islamic Law; need Canadian news source"


You will find several.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 10:16 AM
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3. This is bullshit. I don't even need to read it.
Nobody is getting stoned in Canada by order of a
Canadian judge.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 10:18 AM
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4. With actual stones, I mean.
Herbal approaches are approved for medicinal purposes.
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pink_poodle Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 11:14 AM
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5. No way! This is never going to happen here...............
They have to live by the laws of the land and there is no way the people here would have anyone getting stoned, unless of course it was voluntary pot smoking. grin. Canada is way too FAIR to allow this sort of thing to happen. The population here would not allow it.
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pschoeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 12:55 PM
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6. It's civil arbitration, what a bigotted piece of filth this article is
Edited on Fri Nov-28-03 12:58 PM by pschoeb
Anyone can have some civil matter resolved by arbitratrion if both parties agree and agree on an arbitrator. How do you think we get such crazy justice in TV shows like Texas Justice, ect., the parties involved have agreed to arbitration. That's all this is.

Here's the original article, everyone knows Worldnet Daily doesn't really report anything, they take some article written by a journalist and then give it their own massive spin(a very right wing one at that).

http://www.lawtimesnews.com/Main5.html

You do know what a Beis Din is don't you?, you do realize it is the same principle here?

Patrick Schoeb
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 04:01 AM
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pistoff democrat Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 03:13 PM
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7. Just when I was thinkin' of movin' to Canada for healthcare...
The convention is the latest step in a long struggle to have Islamic law recognized in Canada. Shariah is a complex and sophisticated body of law based on religious principles. Muslims must resolve all their commercial and personal disputes according to its tenets.

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"Now, once an arbitrator decides cases, it is final and binding. The parties can go to the local secular Canadian court asking that it be enforced. The court has no discretion in the matter.

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Maulana Nadvi expressed hopes that the institute will become a non-denominational umbrella for many other ventures including a shelter for oppressed men and women, an orphanage, mental clinics, libraries, and resource centres.

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The bylaws should be drafted and approved by Dec. 31.


http://www.lawtimesnews.com/Main5.html


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pschoeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 04:24 PM
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8. Are you planning on emigrating from the US then?
Because US Courts will uphold religious courts if those courts were legally specified as arbitrators in a civil dispute or contract.

In both countries, as long as the arbitration is conducted in a legal manner, the arbitration is final and upheld by the court.

here's some case law for you
http://www.legalcasedocs.com/120/248/910.html#item1

"In these proceedings petitioner seeks to vacate and respondents seek
to confirm an arbitration award rendered by a Beth Din, a religious
tribunal that adjudicates disputes according to Jewish law and
custom.(n 1) Supreme Court granted the petition to vacate the award
for several reasons enumerated in a lengthy opinion (Matter of Meisels
v Uhr, 145 Misc 2d 571) and the Appellate Division affirmed for the
reasons stated by Supreme Court (173 AD2d 542). We conclude that the
award should be confirmed and therefore reverse."

Patrick Schoeb
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pistoff democrat Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 04:52 PM
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10. No, that was my "Help Me, I Have No Health
Insurance" moment...sorry about that! :hi:
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dai Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 04:30 PM
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9. Thought I stumbled...

...into the Free Republic for a second.

This is somewhat akin to the hysterical Daniel Pipes articles about Muslims taking over our societies because we let them wear hijab's in public schools.

It's the slippery slope meets xenophobic paranoia: "Stoning women is just aroung the corner..."
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 09:24 AM
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15. More than just the post
That is such a blatant violation of rules that more should occur. Perhaps you ought to reread the rules of DU.
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LeftistGorilla Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-03 10:35 AM
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17. Don't bet on it....
Edited on Mon Dec-01-03 10:39 AM by LeftistGorilla

I LIVE in Ontario... and this aint even an issue...
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Bush loves Jiang Donating Member (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 09:51 PM
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19. Not that simple...
I used to be angry about this, but now I understand:

Islamic Law will be applied as a form of arbitration in civil disputes if agreed to by both parties, provided that any decision reached by the arbitrator does not contravene rights protected under the Charter or any Canadian law.
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NorthernMurmurs Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 05:16 PM
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20. Listening to Alice in Wonderland news again are we?
Okay - whose version of reality do you think the American public accepts? In the Great White North we are actually steeling ourselves to try to follow the Laws of Nature - damned nippy out there today!

Installation of Shariah in Canada would be a fragment and a figment of someone's neo-con mind, the laws we have at present are obscure and difficult enough,

BTW How do those television shows work - the ones with court and judge and peanut gallery and disclaimers saying the partiicipants have agreed to live with the decison?

NM
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