Another Day, Another Murder-Suicide

[CO Liberal]

This time in Alabama - Wayne

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Two dead in murder-suicide

Muscle Shoals man shoots wife, himself

MUSCLE SHOALS – Gunshots shattered the quiet calm of a local neighborhood Tuesday evening when a man shot his estranged wife before taking his own life, police said.

Neighbors said Charles Hester, 60, 2106 Gusmus Ave., chased his wife, June Hester, through a neighbor's yard about 5:45 p.m. then shot her in the back of the head at close range. She died 2½ hours later at Shoals Hospital while in surgery.

Neighbors said Hester then held the gun to his temple and took his own life. He was pronounced dead on arrival at Helen Keller Hospital in Sheffield.

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http://www.timesdaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20030917/NEWS/309170334/1011

[MrBenchley]

1. Shhhhhhhhh.....

Don't you realize that Democrats are pro-RKBA? Zach Wamp and a bunch of shitheads from the NRA say so.

Sounds to me like the only thing wrong with this fella is that he didn't have an assault rifle AND a concealed weapons permit. He seems like just the sort of voter we should be reaching out to.....sure that "not breathing anymore" is worrisome, but on the bright side he'll have the same mental acuity as the rest of the RKBA crowd.

[Superfly]

2. This is getting old, CO

What would any law have done to prevent this? What could have been done to prevent this?

Really, I'm asking you seriously how you would have prevented this from happening? And I'm not talking nationally, I'm talking this person.

What would you have done as God-emporer of the USA done to have prevented Charles Hester from doing this?

Brian

[CO Liberal]

3. Bear ONE THING In Mind, Superfly

As long as there are people in this country who are obsessed with the concept of owning guns, other people will die. Period.

[Superfly]

4. Let's take what you just said...

Put a blank where the word "guns" was, and replace it from one in the list below.

"As long as there are people in this country who are obsessed with the concept of owning ____, other people will die. Period."

1) Automobiles
2) Kitchen Knives
3) Attack dogs
4) Baseball bats
5) Cuisinarts

[CO Liberal]

6. We're Talking About GUNS, Superfly

Not Automobiles
Not Kitchen Knives
Not Attack dogs
Not Baseball bats
Not Cuisinarts

Please stay focused on the subject at hand.............

[Superfly]

7. OK, then you please answer my question

and then we'll talk.

[CO Liberal]

9. Refer to My Post #8

[Superfly]

5. BTW, you never did answer the question....

still waiting.

[CO Liberal]

8. I Don't Have The Answer

Like I've said before time and time again, it's up to ALL OF US to find the aanswer. But we'll never get there as long as pro-gunners throw up their hands and say there IS no answer.

[Superfly]

10. Then posting these anecdotal stories

does nothing for your arguments? What's the point?

[CO Liberal]

13. Look On It as "Food For Thought"

And an indicator of things to come if more guns get in to circulation.

[Superfly]

14. I just don't think that guns are the problem

it's the culture of despair we are in right now (thanks to A-hole in the WH) that has been/is driving people to extreme behavior.

We need to have happy Americans again, ya know?

[CO Liberal]

15. They're Part of the Problem

And their control needs to be part of the solution.

[Superfly]

17. They are a symptom of the problem

and no further controls are needed. What is needed is a evolution of this culture of despair into a more open, friendly one.

B

[CO Liberal]

19. And Part Of That Evolution......

....will involve gun control.

[Superfly]

22. See, that's where you and I differ

I think that evolution is going to precipitate once we get rid of A-hole in office and replace him with a real leader.

[MrBenchley]

18. "We need to have happy Americans again"

Gee, when we had a REAL president and happy Americans it drove the RKBA crowd crazy as shithouse rats. One gun nut even blew up the Murrah Federal Building.

And the corrupt gun industry spent millions trying to end the happiness....Charlton Heston even called for Al Gore to be lynched.

[Superfly]

21. Yeah, and...

you're kind of proving my point. We need a real leader in the WH who will embrace the ideals of a prosperous and friendly America.

[MrBenchley]

24. So the RKBA crowd can blow up another Federal building?

[Superfly]

25. Gee, that's a nice hyperbole you have there?

How old is it? You must be proud...

[MrBenchley]

26. Nope. Just plain history...

[CO Liberal]

27. As Much as I Hate Bush ......

.... not everything can be blamed on him, nor will every social ill be cured by his removal from office. Violence is a big problem in this country - solving it will involve dealing with the root causes of that violence, as well as controlling the distribution of guns to reduce the liklihood that shootings will occur as much as humanly possible.

[Superfly]

28. OK, that I can deal with

and if that is truly your position, then that is a very good starting point for some good discussions.

Brian

[MrBenchley]

11. Funny...

WE yet to hear many of our questions answered.

And again, you will note that it is only gun control laws that are supposed to prevent crime. Bank robbery laws don't stop all bank robberies, but you don't hear the American Bankers Association pushing for their repeal.

But we could point out that there was damn little to KEEP this goon from getting his hands on a gun, thanks to the RKBA crowd and the corrupt gun industry.

[Superfly]

12. You're losing ground, Bench

What's your answer? Oh yeah, you are an anti-gun absolutist who will not stop until guns are banned after their owners are stigmatized and humiliated.

Nice to have such people in my party.

[MrBenchley]

16. To what?

The same tired old crap from the RKBA crowd?

"Oh yeah, you are an anti-gun absolutist who will not stop until guns are banned after their owners are stigmatized and humiliated."
Sorry, you guys are embarassing yourselves with this rubbish. I'm just enjoying myself watching the humiliation continue.

[Superfly]

20. Whatever, Bob.

Frankly, I'm glad that people with your level of venom and hate are few and far between in this great party. There are many in this party who hold the same views as I do and we are a major voice. So, I'm going to say thanks for your discussions, you've really opened my eyes as to the person I do not want to be.

B

[MrBenchley]

23. Gee, fly...

I'm not the one gloating over shootings....that's the ugly RKBA crowd.

"There are many in this party who hold the same views as I do and we are a major voice."
Funny, you keep dodging that question everytime I raise it, too.

When the RKBA propaganda saying the Democrats wanted guns all over the place was posted last week, who were the "Democrats" proving it?

"says James Jay Baker, legislative director of the National Rifle Association."
"says Rep. Bob Barr, R-Ga., who was just elected to a second 3-year term on the NRA board."
"In a letter written to Baker in May, Ashcroft said "
"Republican pollster Bill McInturff asks."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=8562&mesg_id=8601&page=

And who got singled out posted in the new story "proving this" today? GOP cementhead Zach Wamp and ANOTHER asswipe from the NRA.

http://www.timesfreepress.com/2000/dec/14dec00/webtngoreloss.html

"you've really opened my eyes as to the person I do not want to be."
Then I hope you're happy siding with AshKKKroft and Grover Norquist.

[Spoonman]

32. Gloating over shootings

HAND US ANOTHER FRIGGEN LAUGH!!!!!!

It is the hoplophobics on this board that post every shooting death story that comes out.
The anti-RKBA guys love victims, because they try to use the victims ill fortune in an unsuccessful attempt validate their stance.
The same can be said of scum civil lawyers. Hmm, I guess that’s a group one would be proud to claim similarity to.

Funny, you keep dodging that question everytime I raise it, too.
Coming from the master of dodging questions ...uncontrollable...waaaaaaa!!!!!!!

[MrBenchley]

33. Hand us a BIG frigging laugh, spoon....

"The anti-RKBA guys love victims.....The same can be said of scum civil lawyers."
Tell us, spoon, do you plan to spout every piece of crap you hear on Faux Nutcase Noise? Peddle your right wing rubbish to somebody who gives a shit.

[Spoonman]

35. Your Reich!

But that comparison didn't come from anyone but ME!!!

You don’t see the RKBA crowd exploiting the victims, but you and CO sure do post a lot of them!

Right wing rubbish…..oooooooohhhhhhhh, sorry bench, but it ain’t “right wing” just because you say so.
Your version of the platform is your opinion only, I failed to read the DU rule that states you have to be a “leftist liberal” to post.

[CO Liberal]

36. From the "Message Board Rules"

Underlining mine.

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[MrBenchley]

39. I suspect

"if you are generally supportive of conservative ideals"
Would fit those who post crap from Newsmax and the Reverend Moon...or pimp for the NRA and Orrin Hatch....

[Spoonman]

42. Oh stop please

You’re scaring me!

I'll just send a copy of my DNC card to the mods and be done with the both of you.

Idle threats, come on people, you seem to be getting even more desperate.

“conservative ideals” I wonder why the entire RKBA crowd here hasn't been booted?

Maybe this issue isn’t the VRWC agenda you would like to proclaim it to be?

Maybe it’s because were right when we stated that there is a HUGE pro-RKBA contingency?

[MrBenchley]

38. Who are you trying to kid, spoon?

It's standard right wing horseshit to sneer about "victims," just as its right wingers who have been peddling crap about "evil trial lawyers."

"I failed to read the DU rule that states you have to be a “leftist liberal” to post."
One of your many failings....

"Democratic Underground (DU) was founded on Inauguration Day, January 20, 2001, to protest the illegitimate presidency of George W. Bush and to provide a resource for the exchange and dissemination of liberal and progressive ideas. "

http://www.democraticunderground.com/about.html

[Spoonman]

43. No need to try to kid

you MrB, your doing that well enough on your own.

It's standard right wing horseshit to sneer about "victims," just as its right wingers who have been peddling crap about "evil trial lawyers."

Sez you, sorry, but I don't respect your self proclaimed "expert" knowledge in the identification of "right wing ideology".

Your standard for classification is simple - Anything I disagree with is right wing horseshit.

That only works for you, not the real world.

"to provide a resource for the exchange and dissemination of liberal and progressive ideas"

Hmmm progressive

Hmmm it still didn't state "you have to be a “leftist liberal” to post".

Try crying to someone dumb enough to buy it!

[MrBenchley]

44. Yeah, surrrrrrrrrrre.....

"I don't respect your self proclaimed "expert" knowledge in the identification of "right wing ideology"."
Of course, you're also the guy who was trying to pimp Orrinn Hatch's proposal a few weeks ago....

[Spoonman]

46. Excuse me?

"trying to pimp Orrinn Hatch's proposal a few weeks ago"

Care to explain? I think you've got the wrong person.

[MrBenchley]

48. No I don't...

Sure, fly started the thread, but who is that trying to chip in to pimp for Orrin Hatch's bill about half way down?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=3751&mesg_id=3816&page=

[Spoonman]

34. Thank you for proving the RKBA point!

Bank robbery laws don't stop all bank robberies, but you don't hear the American Bankers Association pushing for their repeal.

Your absolutely right, the same as "gun control" laws will not stop crime, so why revoke the rights of the honest citizen.

this has to be one of the all time most stupid comparisons I've ever seen repeatedly posted.

Bank robbery laws don't stop all bank robberies, so the banks hire ARMED GUARDS to stop them!!!! They don't ask for more laws, they ARM themselves, not with cops, but with civilian armed guards!!!!!!

Yea, the RKBA crowd and the corrupt gun industry want criminals to have guns.

Could you sound any more desperate?

Do you expect any rational person to believe that the guy down the street who hunts wants criminals armed?

You see, this is the type of ignorant statement that persuaded 90% of traditional union Democrat voters in Harris County to vote for Bush in 2000. (Thanks anti-RKBA crowd)

[MrBenchley]

37. What a pathetically desperate post, spoon...

"Yea, the RKBA crowd and the corrupt gun industry want criminals to have guns."
Who is that opposing background checks at gun shows? Who is that opposing gun registration? Who is that trying to put assault weapons back on the street?

"this is the type of ignorant statement that persuaded 90% of traditional union Democrat voters in Harris County to vote for Bush in 2000"
Says who? Zach Wamp? the NRA?

By the way, there is NO Harris County in Tennessee....Gore got 43% of the vote in Harris County, Texas in 2000. So much for that 90% bullshit.

http://204.65.104.19/elchist.exe

[Spoonman]

41. Try again

Deer Park, Texas

Says who? Zach Wamp? the NRA?

No, the local DP.

Once again, sphincterology!

By the way, there is NO Harris County in Tennessee

Did I ever mention Tennesee? NO, so what the fuck? Your point being, never mind, same old same old!

Gore got 43% of the vote in Harris County, Texas in 2000

Care to guess how many Union voters are in Harris County TEXAS?

Care to guess how many times Harris County carried the Democratic candidate to victory in the past?
In other words, who supported gun control and lost as opposed to who was RKBa and won!

When you can answer those questions, on your own, because if I present the info you'll just say "hooey", you will have then taught yourself how wrong you are.

[MrBenchley]

45. Don't need to, spoon....I've shown the 90% was bullshit

"Did I ever mention Tennesee?"
Koresh, only knows what you think you're talking about most of the time, spoon...

"are to guess how many Union voters are in Harris County TEXAS?"
Considering Texas is a "right to work" state....

"Care to guess how many times Harris County carried the Democratic candidate to victory in the past?"
Did you forget I had the link to the Texas Secretary of State, spoon?

In 1992, Poppa Turd got 43% of the vote in Harris County, Bill Clinton got 38%...

In 1996, Bob Dole got 49% of the vote in Harris County, Bill Clinton got 45%...

In other words, your claim is STILL hooey, spoon...

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[MrBenchley]

50. Spoon, I've shown you wrong at every turn...

and I'll enjoy continuing to do so...

"In 1996, the annual average pay in free states was $29,100, compared with $24,600 in right-to-work states - an 18 percent difference. Right-to-work states have lower "union density" (the percentage of workers who belong to unions) - 7.6 percent, compared with 16.8 percent in free states.
Right-to-work states included in this study are Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia and Wyoming."

http://www.boilermakers.org/3-Benefits/rtw.html

"Texas, another Right-To-Work state, finishes 16th in average annual wage yet its union workforce percentage is ranked well behind Oklahoma at 49th ."

www.state.ok.us/~okdol/press/state%20comparison%20letter.pdf

In other words, only one state has a lower percentage of union workers.....and Texas workers get screwed accordingly.
Good thing you're obsessed with whether Democrats are going to grab your guns instead of REAL issues, eh?

[RoeBear]

29. And they would have been...

...just as dead without the gun being there. (TM)


http://www.nj.com/news/gloucester/index.ssf?/base/news-1/1063786531303030.xml

Sick twisted people will always find ways to carry out their sick twisted schemes. (TM)

[Romulus]

30. like these poor folks

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,7277458%255E662,00.html

A MAN was shot by police yesterday after he stabbed his own young children and their grandfather to death.

As their mother watched from a police car a detective called out to the man to stop his frenzied attack.
But he continued to stab one of the children and was shot twice in the arm before he collapsed.

The 72-year-old grandfather, four-year-old girl and her 20-month-old brother all died from their wounds at the rural property on Burdekin Rd, Wilberforce, in New South Wales.

*snip*

Ambulance officers tried to save the 30-year-old father at the Wilberforce property and discovered what were believed to be self-inflicted knife wounds to the chest.

He later died in Hawkesbury Hospital.

[CO Liberal]

31. Latest Developments

Events before murder-suicide still a mystery

By Jason Harris
Staff Writer


MUSCLE SHOALS – Police are still trying to unravel the events that led to a murder-suicide in a quiet neighborhood Tuesday night.

There is no dispute about the events that took place in Mac and Donna Sloan's front yard at the intersection of Gusmus and Richton avenues just before 6 p.m. Witnesses said Charles Melvin Hester, 60, 2106 Gusmus Ave., chased his ex-wife, 57-year-old June Hester, across the Sloans' yard, pulled a gun from his pants and shot her in the back of the head. Then, after being confronted by police, he turned the gun on himself.

June Hester died about 8:30 p.m. after surgery at Shoals Hospital in Muscle Shoals. Charles Hester was dead on arrival at Helen Keller Hospital in Sheffield.

Muscle Shoals police Lt. Sieg Mueller said he has talked to friends and family of Charles and June Hester, and no one appears to know why the couple were traveling together nor what they argued about in the minutes before the shooting.

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http://www.timesdaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20030918/NEWS/309180354/1011

[FlashHarry]

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[Township75]

49. I am offended by your post, and I am alerting the mods!

:)