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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 02:03 PM
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Ad featuring Angelina Jolie ordered off UK TV (AP)
Ad featuring Angelina Jolie ordered off UK TV (AP)

LONDON - A TV ad showing actress Angelina Jolie firing weapons must not be shown because it could be seen as condoning gun violence , Britain's advertising watchdog said Wednesday.

The Advertising Standards Authority said the ad for the DVD version of Universal Pictures' 2008 action flick "Wanted" breached ad codes and should not be broadcast.

The film follows the initiation of an office drudge Wesley Gibson (played by James McAvoy ) into a mythical group of super-powered assassins. The ad for the DVD release shows McAvoy and co-star Jolie wielding pistols, a shotgun, and generally spraying scene after scene with bullets.

The authority said the ad — which juxtaposes images of gun violence with Jolie showing off her bare back — "could be seen to condone violence by glorifying or glamorizing the use of guns."

It was unclear what practical effect, if any, the ruling would have. The "Wanted" DVD was released in Britain nearly six months ago.

The advertising authority has no power to enforce its writ, but it can refer advertisers to Britain's Office of Fair Trading for legal action.

Universal did not immediately return an e-mail Wednesday seeking reaction to the authority's ruling.

The ruling underlined Britain's sensitivity to gun crime.

There were 59 firearm-related homicides in England and Wales in 2006-2007, compared to the more than 10,000 gun-related killings reported by the FBI in the United States in 2007.

But public concern was heightened in Britain after the shooting death of an 11-year-old boy in 2007. The murder drew national attention and prompted much soul-searching over whether the country's already strict gun control laws were tough enough.

Story Here: http://movies.yahoo.com/news/movies.ap.org/ad-featuring-angelina-jolie-ordered-off-uk-tv-ap


With only 59 firearm-related homicides in England AND Wales in 2006 - 2007 compared to 10,000 reported by the FBI in the United States, maybe we should form a commission to study their success.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 02:11 PM
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1. Good.
Let America mire itself in the gore of gun-worship...leave the UK to other methods of killing one another...like drunken knife-fights..
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 02:20 PM
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2. The shooting death of 1 child leaves the British wondering if their gun laws are tough enough
Edited on Thu Mar-19-09 02:22 PM by dflprincess
In the U.S. there are (on average) 3,000 children killed by guns each year and we respond by wondering if our gun laws are too lax - and, in some cases, trying to minimize it by pointing out more kids are killed in car accidents (when I googled U.S. child gun deaths, the car excuse landed near the top)

Tell me again why we don't want to be like Europe.
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bossy22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 02:35 PM
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5. that stat
is over inflated. They include such things as a 16 year old gang member being killed in a drug turf fight as a child killed by gun violence.

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jeepnstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 02:48 PM
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6. Many of those "children"...
are engaged in illegal drug trafficking. They are children in the eyes of the law. You ought to spend a bit of time talking to some of them. Stone killers, taught to be that way by a gang that is their surrogate family. I have no sympathy for them once they choose the thug life.

Our country has a crime problem, a drug problem, and a problem with the collapse of families. Taking away my Constitutional Rights won't cure any of that.
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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 03:26 PM
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8. Many of these "children" are not "engaged in illegal drug trafficking"
I guess fuck the innocent children, yeah?

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bossy22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 03:54 PM
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9. no one said
anything to that sort, all that was being commented on was the "3,000" statistic. Of course there are innocent children killed and those numbers are tallied in, but the number is no where close to 3,000.
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jeepnstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 03:57 PM
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11. You said that, certainly not me.
I don't know how you protect children from irresponsible parents. Even responsible parenting is no guarantee of preventing a tragedy.



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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 07:34 PM
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22. In many ways the children you describe are sadder than the
ones who are killed accidently. What kind of society pays so little attention to its kids that far too many end up dead before they're 18 because of illegal activities?

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bossy22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 07:40 PM
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23. thats a crime within itself
that these kids turn to that life
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jeepnstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 08:29 AM
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24. I'll tell you what kind (rant mode on)
When you look at a society where many look for their next quick hit; crack, heroin, pills, alcohol, meth, sex, money, name your poison. Kids are left to fend for themselves as parents go off in search of their own pleasure. If they are lucky there are grand parents around to pick up the slack. What you wind up with is groups of kids who form their own families and emulate the thug behavior of the people who rule their parent's lives, the dealers. Humans are social animals and they'll find acceptance wherever they can.

Our "War on Drugs" created a profit opportunity for criminal enterprises that even Al Capone couldn't have imagined. A product that is cheap, portable, and breeds it's own insatiable demand and totally unregulated is a great thing if you are a criminal. Going to prison is like going off to grad school for these guys, it is a status symbol. They go off to the joint for a few years while their wives and girlfriends struggle with addiction and the kids run the streets. Of course, there is always "family" around willing to help the kids learn the trade.

Ganster Disciples, MS13, Aryan Brotherhood, whatever they call themselves, all are a blight on society. The names constantly change but the pattern is constant.

Until we break the drug trafficker's business model they will thrive. The courts deal with the individual offenses but don't take on the pattern of criminal activity. You'll always have them to some extent but until we can take away their revenue streams they will find far too many willing participants. The pattern of corrupt activity that these groups follow is something that only government can disrupt and so far it has been unwilling to get involved in any meaningful way. It's far easier to pass laws, get politicians some photo ops, and prosecute people around the edges than it is to face the scourge head on.

We, as a society, are failing to provide for the common defense and security of our poorest neighbors. It's easier to run away while seeking a quick fix of our own particular addictions than it is to help the dying and desperate. It's all easier when you don't have to live amongst the desperation and squalor.

You want to make a difference? Demand that your government break the gangs' illegal revenue streams. I hate to admit it but at this point that means legalizing at least some of the common street drugs. It also means getting users out of prison so they can be filled with illegal dealers. I don't know that there's a politician in the country willing to climb that mountain.
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Jackson1999 Donating Member (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 05:14 PM
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18. bogus, misleading Brady Bunch stat

The 3000 number includes "children" aged 18-19.

Under 18 gun deaths-1,490
Under 18 gun deaths minus suicides-1,078

Still 1078 too many, but don't buy into the "3,000 children" hype.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 02:21 PM
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3. Interesting that the stats for 2008 weren't reported...
The spiralling problem with gun culture was highlighted by figures that show 28 firearms crimes are committed in England and Wales every day.

Home Office figures showed gun crimes rose by four per cent last year, the largest increase for three years.


********snip*********

There were 10,182 firearms offences in the year to the end of September compared with 9,755 in the previous 12 months - an increase of more than 400 crimes, or more than eight every week.

The rise is the biggest percentage increase since September 2004, when figures showed a five per cent increase in gun crimes.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1576406/28-gun-crimes-committed-in-UK-every-day.html

And of course there is the problem of knife violence in the U.K.

29th December 2008 - New Knife Crime Statistics have today been released by the Conservative Party

As reported on UK National TV News Channels The Conservative Party have today released new details of fatal stabbing statistics based on information apparently obtained from the police in England and Wales under the Freedom of Information Act.

The new figures indicate that in the year 2007-8 there were some 277 deaths from stabbings in England & Wales alone (the highest recorded figure for 30 years). This represents an average death toll as a direct result of stabbings of over 5 for every week of the year!

http://www.insight-security.com/facts-knife-crime-stats.htm

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russ1943 Donating Member (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 01:51 AM
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26. Why is that interesting?
You posted; "Interesting that the stats for 2008 weren't reported..."
DUH……………………………………………..
Yeah that must be a Brady bunch conspiracy. As of today the US Department of Justice Bureau of Justice Statistics haven’t reported US’s 2008, 2007 or 2006 stats because Sarah hasn’t approved them yet. The Uniform Crime Reports published by the FBI have only reported “Preliminary” first six months of 2008 because the Joyce Foundation hasn’t perused them yet. The liberal bleeding heart CDC has all the figures thru Feb of 2009 but won’t publish any until socialized medicine is law. (sarcasm)

Your link is to a January 2008 article in the (electronic/internet version) of the Telegraph. The article references and links to The Home Office’s Crime in England and Wales: Quarterly Update to September 2007 Crime in England and Wales: Full report
.
I’ll ask you; How interesting would you find it, if the Home Office were to have reported stats for 2008 in a quarterly report (that’s three months, even in England) thru September of 2007 and published in January of 2008?


Page 1 of that referenced report includes the following statements; British Crime Survey (BCS) interviews in the year to September 2007 show a statistically significant decrease in the risk of being a victim of crime compared with the year to September 2006 (23% as against 24%). The risk of being a victim has returned to its lowest level since the survey began in 1981.
The number of crimes recorded by the police fell by nine per cent for the period July to September 2007 compared with the same quarter a year earlier.
Recorded violence against the person for July to September 2007 fell by eight per cent compared with the same period in 2006.


The HOME OFFICE is the entity that gathers their statistics, much like our Uniform Crime Reports that the FBI publishes. If you are interested in statistics for England/Wales their web site is http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/

Secondary sources are of little value when the primary original source is as available.

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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 02:30 PM
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4. That's what happens when you have a government-run monopoly on the media
There's no real freedom of expression in the UK any more.
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Furyataurus Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 03:14 PM
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7. Who was it that used
"children" up to age 25!!!! in their "stats" for gun crime victims?????
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DonP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 03:58 PM
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13. That would be the Brady bunch and Tom Diaz
Up until about two years ago they referred to anyone up to and including 24 years old as "children" to bump up their statistics on how many children were being killed by guns.

I'd have to go back and look it up but I believe the CDC in Atlanta had a more real number out a year or so ago and it way below the Brady numbers so they changed their tune.

But what's one more lie to the Brady people anyway?
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 04:25 PM
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15. So we send many "children" to war in foreign countries...
obviously we need to increase the age in which an individual can enlist in the armed forces to 25.

Children shouldn't be allow to drive or drink so those laws that allow this must also be changed. And we should also change our child labor laws to protect our delicate youth in their early twenties.

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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 03:55 PM
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10. Do they still allow Shakespeare plays to be advertised over there?
Lots of knife and club violence there...
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 03:57 PM
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12. Yeah, has The Rape of Lucrece been banned yet?
:argh:
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DonP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 04:06 PM
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14. I have to check but ...
I don't believe they have the equivalent of 4th amendment rights either. A single cop can "reasonably" determine that exigent circumstances exist and search your house or car without a warrant. Any evidence found would be admissible in court.

Like Japan having no functioning Habeas Corpus rights. You can be held indefinitely for a crime, based on a single officer's testimony before a judge, no legal representation or Miranda equivalent is involved either.

Funny how countries with gun laws some people love and admire would make them scream at the injustice of the other laws in the kind of police state they yearn for.
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 04:30 PM
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16. What a load of crap! Like violence hasn't been used to sell movies before?!
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 05:05 PM
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17. Are the U.K statistics accurate?
FOUR THOUSAND people have suffered shooting injuries in a single year as gun crime continues to rise across Britain. Figures released by the Home Office show that 81 people were shot dead and more than 500 were seriously wounded between April 2002 and March 2003.

********snip*******

The high volume of injuries from gunshots is further highlighted in figures obtained by The Sunday Times from police forces under the Freedom of Information Act.

In the past two years the Metropolitan police recorded 2,015 incidents, while in Manchester 95 people were seriously wounded last year, according to Greater Manchester police, and West Yorkshire police recorded 251 crimes where a firearm was fired causing injury.

Experts say the number of people admitted to hospital with gunshot injuries is much higher than those released by the government because many hospitals do not record the treatment of gunshot wounds, or the method of collecting data differs between hospitals.
underlining mine
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article413114.ece
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russ1943 Donating Member (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 02:12 AM
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27. The Home Office's or the Sunday Times?
Edited on Sat Mar-21-09 02:13 AM by russ1943
A January 16, 2005 article from The Sunday Times

That statistic went from 81 in 03 down to 68 up to 77 down to 50 up to 59 and finally down to 53 in the 07/08 year. With numbers that small you can distort any way you want. I could for example point out that a 34% decrease in 5 years, or a 38% decrease occurred in just 3 years. Maybe a more impressive distortion could be made by noting that the year prior to 2003’s 81, there were 97 people “shot dead” and that had decreased by 48% in 2006 just 4 years, or…………………like you, I could just question their accuracy.

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs09/hosb0209.pdf
Table 2.01 Page 44
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Xela Donating Member (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 05:23 PM
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19. Great...
...now...I...have...this...intense...feeling...to...go...and...really...watch...that...silly...movie.

Oh...the...urge...

Xela
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 10:36 AM
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25. Just walk through any
supermarket checkout line and get slapped in the face with the tabloid overexposure of "Brangilina". By the time you pay for your six pack of beer you'll be so sick of them you'll forget the movie.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 07:09 PM
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20. I see it's time to trot out the visual aids for the Gungeon newbies
It's been a while, perhaps we could all use a refresher.

"Study their success". :rofl:














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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 07:18 PM
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21. And what brits find when they go to america
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x205411

America's 'safety catch'
By Justin Webb
BBC North America editor, Missouri

Despite the fact there are more than 200 million guns in circulation, there is a certain tranquility and civility about American life.

Deepwater, Missouri has a motto: "A great lil' town nestled in the heartland."

Man holding a Cold .45 semi-automatic pistol (Photo: Karen Bleier/AFP/Getty Images)

Deepwater considers itself to be an exemplar of the best of American life. A place where outsiders - if they ever penetrated this far - would find home-cooked apple pie and friendly, warm, hard-working folk.

Among those folk, I have no doubt, is Ronald Long.

Last month Mr Long decided to install a satellite television system in his Deepwater home. His efforts to make a hole in the outside wall came to nothing because Mr Long did not possess a drill.

But he did have a .22 calibre gun.

He fired two shots from the inside of the bedroom.

The second killed his wife who was standing outside.

He will face no charges. The police accept it was an accident.

Gun control

To many foreigners - and to some Americans - the tolerance of guns in everyday American life is simply inexplicable.

"In Montana, we like our guns... most of us own two or three"
Brian Schweitzer, Governor of Montana

As a New York Times columnist put it recently:

"The nation is saturated with violence. Thousands upon thousands of murders are committed each year. There are more than 200 million guns in circulation."

Someone suggested a few days ago that the Democrats' presidential candidates might like to take up the issue of gun control.

Forget about it.

They were warned off - in colourful style - by a fellow Democrat, the Governor of Montana, Brian Schweitzer.

"In Montana, we like our guns", he said.

"Most of us own two or three guns. 'Gun control' is hitting what you shoot at. So I'd be a little careful about blowing smoke up our skirts."

Democrats would like to win in the Mountain West this November. Enough said.

Washington weapons ban

On the anniversary of the Virginia Tech shooting, all this will feel to some like a rather depressing, if predictable, American story. A story of an inability to get to grips with violence.

Students hold candles during a ceremony at Virginia Tech (Photo: AP/Don Petersen)

At the moment, there is an effort being made to overturn a ban on some types of weapon in Washington DC.

Among those dead against this plan - those who claim it would turn the nation's capital into the Wild West - is a lanky black man (he looks like a basketball player) called Anwan Glover.

Anwan peeled off articles of clothing for our cameras and revealed that he had been shot nine times.

One bullet is still lodged in an elbow.

His younger brother was shot and killed a few months ago.

Anwan was speaking to us in a back alley in north-east Washington. If you heard a gun shot in this neighbourhood you would not feel surprised.

'Gentler environment'

Why is it then that so many Americans - and foreigners who come here - feel that the place is so, well, safe?

"I have met incredulous British tourists who have been shocked to the core by the peacefulness of the place"


The Manhatten skyline (Photo:Clive Brunskill/Getty Images)

A British man I met in Colorado recently told me he used to live in Kent but he moved to the American state of New Jersey and will not go home because it is, as he put it, "a gentler environment for bringing the kids up."

This is New Jersey. Home of the Sopranos.

Brits arriving in New York, hoping to avoid being slaughtered on day one of their shopping mission to Manhattan are, by day two, beginning to wonder what all the fuss was about. By day three they have had had the scales lifted from their eyes.

I have met incredulous British tourists who have been shocked to the core by the peacefulness of the place, the lack of the violent undercurrent so ubiquitous in British cities, even British market towns.

"It seems so nice here," they quaver.

Well, it is!

Violent paradox

Ten or 20 years ago, it was a different story, but things have changed.

And this is Manhattan.

Wait till you get to London Texas, or Glasgow Montana, or Oxford Mississippi or Virgin Utah, for that matter, where every household is required by local ordinance to possess a gun.

Folks will have guns in all of these places and if you break into their homes they will probably kill you.

They will occasionally kill each other in anger or by mistake, but you never feel as unsafe as you can feel in south London.

It is a paradox. Along with the guns there is a tranquillity and civility about American life of which most British people can only dream.

Peace and serenity

What surprises the British tourists is that, in areas of the US that look and feel like suburban Britain, there is simply less crime and much less violent crime.

Doors are left unlocked, public telephones unbroken.

One reason - perhaps the overriding reason - is that there is no public drunkenness in polite America, simply none.

I have never seen a group of drunk young people in the entire six years I have lived here. I travel a lot and not always to the better parts of town.

It is an odd fact that a nation we associate - quite properly - with violence is also so serene, so unscarred by petty crime, so innocent of brawling.

Virginia Tech had the headlines in the last few days and reminded us of the violence for which the US is well known.

But most American lives were as peaceful on this anniversary as they are every day.

From Our Own Correspondent was broadcast on Saturday 19 April, 2008 at 1130 BST on BBC Radio 4. Please check the programme schedules for World Service transmission times.
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