Thank goodness for the high cap magazine ban!

[RoeBear]

For those who don't know, in 1994 Clinton passed a bill banning magazines that hold more than 10 rounds as part of the AWB ban.


"Oh, he only shot me ten times. Thank god for that law which... OH CRAP! He's reloading!"


Dump it!

[Superfly]

1. I thought it prevented the manufacture of

high-cap magazines after 1994.

There are millions and millions of high cap magazines out there and you can still get them with the purchase of a new firearm (ie ParaOrdnance)

[Oberst Klink]

2. Thank God there wasn't a waiting period

PORTSMOUTH — Somewhere between a Food Lion and home, Temesha Greene noticed a van following her.

When she got to her driveway that August night, a man pulled out a gun.

Greene pulled out her own gun.

The man fired at her.

She fired back.

He missed.

She didn’t.

That night, officers found Emmitt M. Warren, 34, in a van near Greene’s house, suffering from gunshot wounds, according to court records. He was taken to a hospital and eventually was charged with attempted murder and weapons violations.

Dion C. Cameron, 35, was accused of driving the van and faces the same charges. Their cases were sent to a grand jury after a preliminary hearing Monday.

No charges were filed against Greene. The incident happened Aug. 9, shortly after Greene bought a house alarm system and her first gun.

The 26-year-old mother began worrying about the safety of her Peachtree neighborhood after she heard about several break-ins.

She ordered the .40-caliber Glock pistol in late July, and it arrived a few days later. She shot it for the first time at a range on Aug. 9.

At first, she said, holding the weapon felt strange. It scared her.

Then she started imagining the target picture was someone coming after her, and she felt more comfortable.

Later that night, someone did, according to court records and testimony Monday. Greene, her two sons and her boyfriend arrived home from a Food Lion about 11 p.m., according to testimony.

As they unpacked their Nissan Altima, a man appeared in the driveway.

Greene and her boyfriend, Cedric Williams, asked who it was, but the man said nothing. Through the back window of the car, Greene said, she saw the man pull out a weapon. She unlatched the Glock case on the floor of the car.

Shots rang out, several from each weapon. Williams ducked behind a tree, yelling for the boys, ages 8 and 9, to get down. Greene saw the man fall. The van started to pull away, and the man yelled for the driver to wait for him.

Greene called the police.

A gun was later found in her driveway, along with shell casings, according to testimony.

Officers tracked down the van and Warren on Fruitwood Court, and he was taken to a hospital, according to court papers.

On Monday, defense attorneys questioned whether Greene or Williams fired the gun that night. Greene said she was the shooter.

“I fired that gun,” she testified. “It had to have been more than five times.”

Michael Rosenberg, Cameron’s attorney, said there was not enough evidence to support charges against his client.

But General District Judge Morton Whitlow said there was and cited three elements.

A man testified that Cameron borrowed the van from him that weekend.

Warren was found shot in that van. And Greene and Williams testified that the shooter shouted for “Dion” and “Cam.” as he limped away.

After the hearing, Greene said she was relieved.

The events of that night don’t haunt her like they used to, she said, but she remains shaken by the violence she experienced.

She’s still working for a collections agency, but she’s been trying to sell her house and move.

In December, a grand jury will consider the charges against Warren and Cameron. “I prayed that he wouldn’t die,” Greene said, “and that when he doesn’t die, he has to stay in prison for a long time.”

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[CO Liberal]

4. Bill Clinton Did NOT Pass That Bill

It was passed by duly-elected Congresspersons and Senators. Bill Clinton signed it into law, as prescribed by the Constitution.

[Stilgar]

5. yes he did

Signing it into law means he did pass the bill. See if Clinton did not sign it into law it would have been a dead bill for no 2/3 majority would have voted for it. Just because they voted for it does not mean Clinton has a rubber stamp, a veto would send the bill back. He signed it = he passed it. If a 2/3 majority was reached and the veto was overcome then he would have not passed the bill.

So yes he DID pass that bill into law.

[CO Liberal]

6. No - Congress Passes Laws, and The President Signs Them

Signed does NOT equal Passed. They are two different concepts. I realize that some people may have trouble handling more than one concept at a time, but this should be fairly easy to grasp.

Thank you for being such a wonderful contestant. What do we have for him, Don Pardo??? Rice-A-Roni, The San Francisco Treat?

:-)

[Superfly]

7. Man, you confuse me

in one thread you get your panties in a knot about a bit of sarcasm that you took as a personal attack and then you just turn around and do it yourself.

[CO Liberal]

8. Some People Are Easier to Confuse Than Others

Not an attack - merely an observation.

:-)

[Superfly]

9. You know what that sounds like?

"Hey, you're an asshole. Not an attack, just an observation."

[CO Liberal]

11. Not Even Close

My statement was a generalization about unspecified persons. Yours was directed toward an individual.

[Superfly]

12. Mine was also in quotations

and was not directed at anybody, maybe.

[CO Liberal]

13. If You Feel I Made a Personal Attack....

...feel free to use the "Alert" button. I'll abide by the moderator's decision.

[Superfly]

14. Personally, I had hoped that

you and I could avoid that petty-ness. You are one of the only anti's for whom I have any respect, I only hope the feeling is mutual. If I make a statement toward you that could be construed as a personal attack, PM me and we can discuss it like adults. Whatcha think?

[Stilgar]

15. So the president cannot block a bill from congress with a veto

I could have sworn he could... I must be missing something

He has to sign the bill for it to become law, If he does not sign it it does not become law. What exactly am I missing. It is not law just because it passed congress unless its a 2/3 majority to override a presidents veto. He is the final person to pass the bill to law, he had help, but he has the most individual power to pass or veto a law.

Maybe you could state exactly how signing a bill into law and passing a bill into law is not the same thing, instead of being an ass.

Bill gets majority from house and senate, then merged to one bill, it then passes to the president who signs or vetos, if signed it is law, if vetoed it back to congress for possible 2/3 majority override.

[funkyflathead]

16. I thought so too.....

So if he signs a bill, he supports it.

And he does HAVE to sign it.

[CO Liberal]

17. NO, He SIGNS It Into Law

Or he VETOES it. He does not PASS the bill - that is done in the Congress.

[Superfly]

18. Splitting hairs, are we now?

You say tomato, I say tom-ah-to

[CO Liberal]

19. Not At All

It's just typical pro-gunner logic - you say "apple", I say "orange".

:-)

[funkyflathead]

10. 15 rounds of 9mm NATO can fit into a 10 round .40 S&W magazine

The BATFE knows that but there is nothing they can do about it.

They've have repeatedly stated it is LEGAL. Pretty cool if you ask me.

This works in several handgun models.

[Lefty48197]

21. This information is of no use to gun nuts

they're boycotting S&W remember?

[funkyflathead]

23. Huh?

It doesn't work in S&Ws. It does work in Sigs and Berettas.

[Tinfoil]

22. FWIW

12 rnds of .40 cal will fit into a 15rnd 9mm Beretta mag.

Functions like a champ in the 96.

[Lefty48197]

20. A total ban on high cap magazines would be great

Of course the NRA nuts are working overtime to ensure that "pre ban" mags remain legal so that all of their gun nut members can stock up and prepare for the war that they want to start.

[funkyflathead]

24. I've got mine

More than 10 rounds is great!

[Lefty48197]

25. You might want to stock up on a few gross of ammo

some canned goods, bottled water, and dried beans. Them wars with the government can drag on forever.

[demsrule4life]

26. Who says it has to be wars?

you never know what mother nature will throw at you.

[RoeBear]

27. Why do you feel......

...continuing the ban is worthy of your attention? What does it accomplish?

Remember my opeening comment?

"Oh, he only shot me ten times. Thank god for that law which... OH CRAP! He's reloading!"

Explain to me why crime will be curtailed with continuing the ban ?