NRA Life Member

[juancarlos]

I, a Hispanic Democrat gun owner, am now a LIFE MEMBER of the NRA. I suppose that makes me a racist. :crazy:

[Romulus]

1. go away, Nugent lover!!!

begone!

:evilgrin:

[La_Serpiente]

2. BEGONE

BEFORE THE SERPENT RETURNS AND TRICKS YOU INTO THE APPLE OF EVE!!! YOU WILL BE STRUCK DOWN INTO THE DEPTHS OF PERDITION WHERE YOU WILL SUFFER IN THE 9TH LEVEL OF HELL WILL THE DEVIL IN THE COLD LAKE!!! :evilgrin:

I am just joking by the way. :-)

[jhfenton]

3. NRA Life Member

Congratulations. I'm a good way into my "Easy Pay" Life membership -- at least $25/quarter until it's paid up. I couldn't justify the $750 all at once. After all, I have the Ohioans for Concealed Carry and Gun Owners of America memberships to keep up too. ;)

[Antilope]

4. I don't own guns...

But if someone offered me an ICBM...... :)

[MrBenchley]

5. Maybe..

For sure you HAVE joined with perhaps the most prominent bunch of racists around...including John AshKKKroft, Trent Lott and Jerry Falwell.

Swell lot of playmates you've got.

[juancarlos]

7. JC Watts is racist too!

:crazy:

[CO Liberal]

8. Nah ..... He's Just a Sell-Out

:-)

[MrBenchley]

13. He's a corrupt piece of crap

who doesn't say boo about actual racism...

What was it his OWN dad said about him? "A black man voting Republican is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders."

You're more than welcome to his company.

[CO Liberal]

14. A "Family Values" Man With HOW MANY Illigitemate Children?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm???

[MrBenchley]

24. More than one.....

Who can forget the courageous way he spoke out when Trent Lott yearned openly for the days of Jim Crow? Well, everybody could forget, because he didn't say "boo."

[Spoonman]

25. Mr Benchly

Was this an open accusation that juancarlos is a racist.

I certainly hope not.

You ride the razors edge this very long, and you will get cut!

[MrBenchley]

26. Gee, spoon

"You ride the razors edge this very long, and you will get cut!"
And if you associate with racists like Ted Nugent and Larry Pratt, and spend so much energy defendinng them and trying to spin away their racism....what does it say about you.

[Spoonman]

28. Try again MrBenchly

"And if you associate with racists like Ted Nugent and Larry Pratt, and spend so much energy defendinng them and trying to spin away their racism....what does it say about you."

You have never seen me attempt to spin on anything about Ted Nugent or Larry Pratt.
In fact I have stated on this forum more than once that Ted was a piece of shit racist!

So try again!

[CO Liberal]

29. But As Long As Racist Scum Like That Holds Positions of Power....

....within pro-gun circles, it makes all pro-gunners look bad.

Like Limbaugh is a bad reflection on all Republicans, and Jerry Falwell and Feed Pheplps make all Christians look bad.

[Spoonman]

30. Maybe

MrB should view your comments, and think about the double edged sword he's been swinging.

[MrBenchley]

32. I saw his comments and agree with them...

The public leaders of the gun rights crowd are pretty much the scum of the earth....as I've been pointing out for a a few weeks.

[MrBenchley]

31. I've also never seen you

tell any gun owner that...even when they tried to claim that Nugent wasn't a racist.

Wonder why that is?

[DBoon]

6. For what benefit?

Do you get discount coupons? Is it like being in the AARP? Do you get discount airline tickets?


Tell us what the perqs are!

[jhfenton]

15. The perquisites

You don't get discount airline tickets, but there are rental car, hotel, moving company, and retail store benefits. There is also some minimal insurance coverage included.

It's alot like the extra perqs you get from joining AAA (the American Automobile Association).

[jody]

35. One major benefit is participating in organized shooting

competition in preparation for International and Olympic matches. International competition includes rifle, handgun, shotgun, and airgun matches with rules and targets quite different from US competitions.

USA Shooting is headquartered at the Olympic Training Center (OTC) in Colorado Springs, Colo.

ON EDIT ADD
http://www.nrahq.org/compete/index.asp|Competitive Shooting Programs>

[roughsatori]

9. I am a Democrat Gun Owner, but doesn't the NRA always support Repukes?

That is the impression I am under. Does anyone know if that is an incorrect assumption?

[juancarlos]

10. It is...

The support whoever the stronger pro-gun candidate is. They are single issue.

[roughsatori]

20. Do you have a link to any study that proves your point?

Anecdotal evidence or pointing to one race does not help. I have always been pro-gun, but anti-NRA for what I have been told. I was under the impression that as a whole they are neutral toward Dems who are pro-gun-rights, but go out of their way to support Republicans.

It does make sense for them to stick to the single issue, but I am wary of that claim.

[BullDozer]

34. $s

Top House Recipients Of NRA PAC Contributions
1/1/89 Through 12/31/98

Alan Mollohan (D-WV/1) 43,100
Nick Joe Rahall (D-WV/3) 42,350
Earl F. Hilliard (D-AL/7) 40,150
Pat Danner (D-MO/6) 36,650
Tim Holden (D-PA/6) 34,650
Ike Skelton (D-MO/4) 34,200
Bart Stupak (D-MI/1) 31,700

Top Beneficiaries Of NRA Independent Expenditures Among Current House Members
1/1/97 Through 12/31/98

Ted Strickland (D-OH/6) 28,393
David Phelps (D-IL/19) 27,723

NRA Independent Expenditures For Democratic Federal Candidates
1/1/89 Through 12/31/98

1989-90 $61,898
1991-92 327,980
1993-94 151,229
1995-96 44,572
1997-98 58,166

NRA PAC Contributions To Federal Candidates And National Party Committees
1/1/89 through 12/31/98

1989-90 $263,708
1991-92 604,392
1993-94 377,920
1995-96 262,600
1995-96 262,600


http://www.commoncause.org/publications/june99/061599.htm
You will see that Republicans got a hell of a lot more money from the NRA than Democrats did, but to try and deny that the NRA has provided support to Democrats is a bold lie to attempt to make. It seems clear that if you support their cause you can get money, if you don't then you won't get any money. Makes sense to me.


March 26, 1999
Democrat Representatives Receiving More
Than $30,000 in Financial Support
From the NRA

Gene Green (D-TX/29) $161,590
Harold Volkmer (D-MO/9) $126,505
Patsy Ann Danner (D-MO/6) $50,656
Pete Geren (D-TX/12) $43,117
Frederick Boucher (D-VA/9) $41,600
Charles Wilson (D-TX/2) $38,447
Bart Stupak (D-MI/1) $36,894
Alan Mollohan (D-WV/1) $33,200
Bill Brewster (D-OK/3) $32,625

http://www.commoncause.org/publications/nrareps.htm

[DoNotRefill]

37. Dean has a much-ballyhooed "A" rating from the NRA....

Their support of Democratic candidates is directly based upon that candidate's stance on the Second Amendment.

If a candidate is luke-warm on that issue, they will not push for them. If the candidate is pro-Second Amendment, they'll push for them.

Locally, there was an election in 2002 where the Democratic Incumbent was pretty pro-Second Amendment (he voted for the '94 AW ban when his arm was twisted by the Dem. Leadership, but overall supported the Second Amendment) who was running against an extremely pro-Second Amendment Republican. Because the Incumbent was the Incumbent and was generally pro-Second Amendment, they supported the Democrat over the Republican (and they even gave the Dem some money), and many people locally credit this support with his retaining his seat.

In another state-wide election that same cycle, the Republican candidate was somewhat acceptable, but so was the Democrat. Neither were incumbents, and the NRA basically stayed out of the race, and endorsed neither candidate. It was a close election, and had they "gone to bat" for the Republican, he probably would have won.

[Sandstorm]

11. Incorrect

They supported Musgrove over Barbour in the MS governor's race last week.

[MrBenchley]

16. Too too funny....

They only did that because that senile ham Heston couldn't figure out which candidate was which.

[DoNotRefill]

36. Yup....and the NRA board is so deluded....

that they thought Dean was a Republican too...

[billbuckhead]

12. Don't forget NRA board member Grover Norquist.

[Man_in_the_Moon]

17. How about Board Member John Dingell?

nt

[MrBenchley]

19. Or Ted Nugent

Yes, you're certainly mingling with the cream of the crap when you join the NRA.

[slackmaster]

18. It tends to support the GOP because Reps are generally more pro-gun rights

In a race where the Democratic candidate is more pro-RKBA the NRA usually choses the Democrat.

If two candidates are perceived as equal on the gun issues the NRA either goes with the GOP candidate or the incumbent.

[roughsatori]

21. So if it comes to the Dem and Rep being equal RKBA they tend to side

with the GOP? That ruins their credibility for me. I could not support any organization that supports GOP over Dem--even if slightly.
I am curious about this and will see what else I can learn. Thanks for the info.

[DoNotRefill]

38. Nope...

their policy is that if both candidates are equal on Second Amendment grounds, they side with the incumbent regardless of their political affiliation.

I've seen this first-hand, when they sided with a pro-gun Democrat over a rabidly pro-gun Republican because the Democrat was the incumbent.

If the race was Dean vs. Bush, and Dean was the incumbent, they'd side with Dean.

[Lefty48197]

41. wrong wrong wrong

Democrat Bart Stupak had the NRA's highest rating, until the NRA thought that they could help defeat him by supporting a Republican who ran against Stupak. All of the sudden Stupak was a target of the usual NRA ire.

[jody]

33. The NRA gave the Democratic candidate for governor an A+ rating

and the Republican candidate an A rating in the last election in Alabama. In addition, the NRA gave every Democratic candidate that supported RKBA a hign rating and every Republican that did not support RKBA including no responsem, a low rating.

[Lefty48197]

40. The NRA is a branch of the Republican party

Oh, they support about one Democrat out of every one thousand races, but I'm not falling for their deception.

[jhfenton]

44. More pointless rhetoric.

You're giving MrB a run for his money now.

If the NRA usually supports Republicans, it is because the national Democratic Party and many state Democratic parties are on the wrong side of the 2nd Amendment.

[Drifter]

22. I think the best thing to do ...

for everyone who hates the NRA (for whatever reason), is to join, get involved and change things.

I have nothing against the NRA except their blatant attempt to Black and White every gun issue into "They want to take your guns away".


Cheers
Drifter

[jhfenton]

23. Unfortunately, some of them do...

want to take my guns away. And I don't trust the advocates for "common sense gun control," any more than most of us here trust the anti-choice folks who want to ban the "partial-birth abortion" procedure as a reasonable, common-sense step, not a red herring on the way toward recriminalizing abortion.

[juancarlos]

27. ding ding ding

I think that jhfenton has hit the nail on the head.

[Lefty48197]

42. They're coming to take your guns away. What are you going to do about it?

That's what the NRA used to whisper in Tim McVeigh's ear.

[jhfenton]

43. Your post is offensive,

but you have that right.

In my case, I choose to lobby my legislators and run for office to make sure it never happens. I certainly haven't felt like blowing up any federal office buildings.

[Lefty48197]

39. It's the National Republican Association

Not the National Racist Association. There are still Republicans that aren't racists, I believe.

[FlashHarry]

45. Locking

This is a continuation of numerous locked 'all-gun-owners-are-racists' threads.

Again, please don't start threads to continue flame wars from previously locked threads.

FlashHarry
DU Moderator