National Ammo Day: November 19, 2003

[jhfenton]

In case anyone is interested, next Wednesday, November 19, 2003 is National Ammo Day. Every gun owner is encouraged to purchase at least one hundred rounds of ammunition on that day. Plus, this year, National Ammo Day is joined by Ammo week, from November 15 through November 23. That gives us two weekends of gun shows to buy ammo, so there's no excuse. :) I'll probably pay WalMart a visit on Ammo Day too.

For more information, check out the National Ammo Day website.

Comments are welcome.

[MrBenchley]

1. Too too funny!

Q: Why that week, and why November 19?
  
A: There is really no particular reason November 19 was chosen.

http://www.ammoday.com/faqs.php#What%20is%20the%20purpose%20of%20National%20Ammo%20Day

RKBA "logic": Damn glad I ain't got any.

[jhfenton]

2. Always glad I can entertain

Of course you didn't quote the entire thing. It is the originator's birthday.

"Q: Why that week, and why November 19?

A: There is really no particular reason November 19 was chosen. It did not conflict with any other holiday or event on the U.S. calendar.

We found last year, however, that people preferred to buy their ammo at gun shows or over weekends, which is why National Ammo Day is now National Ammo Day/Week.

However, we would me remiss if we did not mention that November 19 is the birthday of Kim du Toit. Kim couldn't think of a nicer way to celebrate his birthday than it helping send a signal about how the value of the Second Amendment and our ammunition manufacturing industry. And, if we make our target of 5 BILLION rounds sold, his birthday wish will come true."

[MrBenchley]

14. And what a repulsive specimen that turd is....

"We have become a nation of women. (Izzat so, Kim?)
And finally, our President, who happens to have been a qualified fighter pilot, lands on an aircraft carrier wearing a flight suit, and is immediately dismissed with words like "swaggering", "macho" and the favorite epithet of Euro girly-men, "cowboy". Of course he was bound to get that reaction -- and most especially from the Press in Europe, because the process of male pussification Over There is almost complete. "

http://www.kimdutoit.com/dr/essays/essays.php?id=P2327

Jeeze, another right wing closet case whacking off in public over this uenelected drunk and his pilot costume. Nice playmate you got.

[a2birdcage]

31. Edited for accuracy

Q: Why that week, and why November 19?

A: There is really no particular reason November 19 was chosen.

http://www.ammoday.com/faqs.php#What%20is%20the%20purpose%20of%20National%20Ammo%20Day

Logic: Damn glad I ain't got any.

[MrBenchley]

40. RKBA "logic" in action

From the self-declared "land of reason"--every day I get more and more glad I ain't got a speck of what THIS is....

"sig454 Posted: Nov 7 2003, 11:45 PM

Well, Negros kill more Americans every uear than the Total of Americans killed by Muslim in the last 10 years.
Every day PRO-DEATH libers kill more American babies than all ther Americans every killed by Muslims.
So, WTF, why the big deal about some towel heads ??? "

http://www.glocksunlocked.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=941&hl=racist

"sig454 Posted: Nov 7 2003, 11:58 PM
Wisconsin is the safest state in America because it has the lowest population of negros in America.
period.
no big mystery "

http://www.glocksunlocked.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=862&hl=negros

"Volponi Posted: Nov 9 2003, 02:04 AM
In conclusion, for those of you who had enough patience to read this far through, in homage to the ebonics thread, PLEASE shoot me if you ever see me at the "Y" in the 'hood' saying anything like this:
"Word up, dat guy sho do be havin one damn fine looking booty. I be wundrin if he be OK wit havin me pump muh ma fuckin junk all da way up in his manhole. Brace yourself foo', nahh dime sane? Be undastandin dis negroid-american languag, foo' "

http://www.glocksunlocked.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=968&hl=blacks

" EBONICS
B Coyote Posted: Nov 6 2003, 02:53 PM
Moderator
I hear this "language" every day.
It's so stupid it's funny."

http://www.glocksunlocked.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=860&hl=ebonics

"ppcrusa Posted: Nov 2 2003, 01:42 PM
Damn the democrats.

gwalchmai Posted: Nov 3 2003, 01:27 PM
QUOTE
The only way we're going to beat George Bush is if southern white working families and African-American working families come together under the Democratic tent, as they did under FDR."
Workers of the world - unite! "

http://www.glocksunlocked.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=596&hl=naacp

"_7_ Posted: Nov 4 2003, 11:20 PM
QUOTE
the Confederate flag is a "despicable symbol of racism, oppression."
Howard Dean is a despicable example of a dick with ears."

David_g17 Posted: Nov 5 2003, 01:01 AM
the dims must be fighting to see who can attract the fewest voters.

Danimal Posted: Nov 5 2003, 11:30 AM
Q: Anyone know the reason the Democrat candidates all wear neckties during the debates?
A: To hold their foreskin back.
Cockholsters!! Every one of them. "

http://www.glocksunlocked.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=756&hl=confederate

"David_g17 Posted: Nov 3 2003, 01:45 PM
DU responds the only way they know how (idiotically)
http://democraticunderground.com/discuss/d...&topic_id=75038"

http://www.glocksunlocked.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=652&hl=confederate

"JLB Posted: Nov 4 2003, 11:18 AM
Moderator
Metrosexuals, Democrats and Girly Boys
by Judson Cox
04 November 2003
http://www.intellectualconservative.com/ar...rticle2823.html
With the exception of Al Sharpton (and possibly Senator Hillary Clinton), no Democratic presidential candidate could be credibly accused of masculinity."

http://www.glocksunlocked.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=720&hl=sharpton

" People who need to be thrown in a wood chipper
islander-11 Posted: Nov 13 2003, 05:19 PM
Here's my start:
That asshole, Dr. Phil
Ted Kennedy (actually, how about the entire Kennedy line)
Tim Robbins
Susan Sarandon
Martin Sheen
All right, there's a start. Let's crank that wood chipper up and fill the bin with liberal chips!

blackopsglock Posted: Nov 13 2003, 05:29 PM
Your list is almost the same as mine except for Susan.Ill keep her around for a little bondage and foreplay if you know what I mean.

JLB Posted: Nov 13 2003, 05:43 PM
Moderator
Bill and Hillary.

David_g17 Posted: Nov 13 2003, 07:56 PM
buy lot of oil...
the entire democratic party. "

http://www.glocksunlocked.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1128&hl=liberal

"2Boxers Posted: Nov 4 2003, 11:27 AM
Moderator
in the event of a real bad SHTF were we have to use our wepons and gear, do yo uthink that we will also have to worry about other freindlies making the wrong asumption that we are the bad guys. this has been a fear of mine for quit some time. there will be no order milatary and leo will see people in BDU's with wepons and not no whos side they are on. also other groops buging out who dont know you may do the same
David_g17 Posted: Nov 7 2003, 12:38 AM
I'll be wearing a "don't blame me i voted for Bush" shirt (so you'll know i'm not a liberal) "

http://www.glocksunlocked.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=721&hl=liberal

" 'THE PLAN', Ann Coulter
David_g17 Posted: Nov 6 2003, 07:38 PM
man, she's hot.
almost could be put in the BOTD forum.
_7_ Posted: Nov 6 2003, 10:48 PM
She is that. I also think she's probably one of the most intelligent bipeds on the planet.

BigC Posted: Nov 8 2003, 07:22 AM
To coin a phrase............"WOOF!" "

http://www.glocksunlocked.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=869&hl=liberal

"ppcrusa Posted: Nov 9 2003, 01:21 AM
I agree. The queers should be allowed to chunk each other as much as they want to.. As long as they don't bring that crap around me I'm fine with them being gay homosexuals."

http://www.glocksunlocked.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=969&hl=liberal

"DoubleDog Posted: Nov 7 2003, 11:11 AM
The more we evolve, the more we de-evolve...Liberals, or "societies enlightened" will not be happy until every little boy is wearing a skirt...
Insidious bastards.... "

http://www.glocksunlocked.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=916&hl=liberal

And check out the graphics of the last poster in this thread, who calls himself storm88front....Nazi youth, the American flag being covered by a confederate flag, and the Nazi's "Deutchland" Eagle seal.

http://www.glocksunlocked.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=718&st=15&hl=

[Wonk]

3. Kim du Toit is a right wing gun nut Bush loving whackjob.

Here's another of his blogs. http://www.kimdutoit.com/dr/weblog.php

[solinvictus]

4. Ammo

I'm buying a Yugoslav 24/47 Mauser this weekend, so I'll be sure to at least get 1K of 7.92X57 for it.

[jhfenton]

7. Congratulations on the Mauser

I'm down to only about 650 rounds of 9mm target ammo myself, and even less .40S&W. I need to buy some 9mm ammo and get busy loading .40's. I've been so busy, my reloading press has been getting lonely.

[solinvictus]

10. .32 ACP

And to think, I only have 50 cartridges for my .32. I need to remedy that as well. I'm also mailing off my C&R application this weekend as well. I want one of the CMP M1 Garands. Who needs an AR-15 or Kalashnikov carbine when a fine tuned Garand will give you the 400 meter shot?

[madddog]

17. Mail a copy of your C&R

to Midway and Brownell's to get a discount...15 to 20 percent, even higher on some stuff.

That C&R will be the best $30 you ever spent, except your bank account won't think so.

[jhfenton]

19. I don't even own a .32 ACP!

What's wrong with me?

So many calibers. So little time.

[madddog]

21. I got my Turk

For $59.99 from SOG, along with 140 of ammo in bandoliers...total price $70 delivered, right to the front door. Only problem was the dumbass UPS guy left it all on the front porch w/ no sig. Methinks his bosses would have a problem with that lol.

[jhfenton]

5. Sorry to tell you, but name calling is not an effective strategy

for winning friends and influencing people.

I haven't read every word yet, but from what I've read so far this evening, Kim du Toit's "The Gun Thing" essays are pretty good.

[Wonk]

6. I think Kim would probably agree with every bit of that except "whackjob"

but, imho, saying whackjob is simply redundant when you consider the rest.

[jhfenton]

8. Actually, you might be right

except for the "whackjob" part. :)

So I issue a partial retraction.

[MrBenchley]

13. Wow, the RKBA crowd pimping a right wing pro-GOP nut

Who would ever of thought it? Wasn't there some rule somewhere about that?

"1. This is a message board for Democrats and other progressives."

By the way, let's not forget February 3: Gun Down A Stranger And Claim Self Defense Day.

[jhfenton]

18. Actually

I didn't start this thread talking about the right-wing pro-GOP gun nut, just National Ammo Day, which is a single-issue, non-partisan endeavor, obviously supported by a number of Democrats and Republicans.

Besides, I happen to believe that the pro-RKBA position is the progressive position. I was raised to believe that the Democratic Party believed in liberty, that the Democratic Party was the party of liberty. How is it "progressive" to deny the 2nd Amendment and argue that law-abiding citizens can't be trusted by the government?

I am appalled at the narrow-mindedness of so many so-called "progressives" on such a critical civil liberties issues. It's the Second Amendment for a reason.

[MrBenchley]

32. Hahahahahaha....

So tell us what part of this right wing turd's crackpot program you ARE opposed to.

"I happen to believe that the pro-RKBA position is the progressive position."
Yeah, just look at all the "progressives" lined up pushing it...Trent Lott, Orrin Hatch, Sean Hannity, David Duke, Bob Barr, Ted Nugent, Larry Pratt, Pat Buchanan, Bill Frist, Johnn AshKKKroft, the Bush brothers...the list goes on and on and wanders further and further into reactionary right wing nutjob territory.

"How is it "progressive" to deny the 2nd Amendment"
How is it progressive to pretend half of it doesn't exist?

"law-abiding citizens can't be trusted by the government"
Especially if they want to do something reckless, like sue the corrupt gun industry....

"I am appalled at the narrow-mindedness of so many so-called "progressives" "
You mean like the folks on the NRA's enemies list, I suppose.

[jhfenton]

41. Common sense gun laws

"So tell us what part of this right wing turd's crackpot program you ARE opposed to."

Well, from reading through much of his website, I disagree with his equating Democrats with socialists and anti-gunners. Of course, he would probably introduce you as Exhibit 1 in his defense.

Otherwise, his five proposed common sense gun laws make sense.

Quote:

• "An individual may not possess any weapon of mass destruction. This includes bombs, rockets, hand grenades, F-14s and any weapon capable of fully-automatic fire which cannot be carried by an individual as a personal weapon.
  
  
• No one convicted of any crime of violence involving a firearm or explosive device, may possess a firearm. (Note that this does not include poachers, or some idiot in a bar who used a bottle on a guy for looking at his girlfriend's tits.)
  
  
• All gun purchases must be made through a licensed gun dealer (FFL), and are subject to the NICS instant check. Specifically excluded from this restriction are any transfers of firearms between immediate family members such as bequests, birthday gifts etc. (Surprisingly, I'm not against NICS -- provided that if I have to undergo the blasted thing, I can then buy a gun outside my home state, and provided that a NICS check involves only a simple yes/no response to the question: Does this person have a disqualifying criminal record? Also, if an application is not approved/disallowed within 3 minutes, the default is "Application Approved" -- I have no patience with government inefficiency.)
  
  
• No federal, state or other governing entity may require registration of firearms or gun owners. No ifs, buts, excepts or maybes.
  
  
• No additional tax, other than customary state and local sales taxes, may be levied on the sale of guns or ammunition. <snip>"

I deleted the unnecessary and gratuitous anti-Al Gore reference at the end.

"How is it progressive to pretend half of it doesn't exist?"

I can read all of it quite well, I just understand what it means. I was a linguistics major at Harvard, after all.

"Especially if they want to do something reckless, like sue the corrupt gun industry...."

Class anti-RKBA logic: complying with the law makes one corrupt.

"You mean like the folks on the NRA's enemies list, I suppose."

Yes, most of those folks would qualify as close-minded on the RKBA.

[madddog]

22. the only problem

is you think being a Dem and owning firearms are mutually exclusive...they're not. I've probably been a Democract longer than you have...I voted for McGovern my first time.

It's only been in the last 10 years or so that this party has been taken over by the gun haters...with the result that the Repubs now own everything in sight. Do the math. This issue is a loser for Dems, and the Repub's savior. WTF do you think even Daschle is backing away from supporting the AWB renewal? Don't blame the NRA...he's worried about the VOTERS in his state.

I doubt half the people here could define an "assault rifle", and would probably be surprised to find that the "ban" didn't really ban anything, yet most people here get apoplectic that we could even think of letting this stupid law sunset.

Now it's "plastic" guns...they just passed a law outlawing plastic guns. SHOW me a functional firearm made of plastic. And don't say a Glock, because they're not plastic...certain parts are made of polymer, but much of it is metal, and I guarantee you it will show up on both an xray machine and a metal detector. If you don't believe me, I'll lend you one of mine, and you can try and sneak it onto an airplane. Just let me know where you want us to forward your mail for the next 10 years or so.

And don't forget the dreaded "sniper rifle" syndrome. Kalifornia has already banned .50 caliber rifles...nevermind that no one has EVER used one in a crime...probably due to the fact that they weigh a ton and aren't very easy to conceal.

I'll tell you when the sh** is gonna hit the fan...when the duck and deer hunters realize that the proposed semi-auto ban will include their stuff, and that their deer gun will be considered a "sniper rifle" because it has a scope on it. At that point, the Democratic party will by you and about 12 of your friends, because everyone else will be long gone.

[jody]

23. Agree 100% with your summary and I voted for Adlai Stevenson my first time

:hi:

[jhfenton]

26. You guys are making me feel young.

I wasn't able to vote until 1988. :)

[MrBenchley]

33. "when the duck and deer hunters"

Gee, there ain't but a handful of them...and the numbers are declining every year.

"At that point, the Democratic party will by you and about 12 of your friends"
More like the solid majority of common sense voters in favor of gun control who DON't want nutcases and criminals armed with assault weapons wandering the streets.

[Spoonman]

39. Yea surrrrre they are!

"Gee, there ain't but a handful of them...and the numbers are declining every year"

AUSTIN, Texas — TPWD reports that 898,086 licenses were sold through Sept. 10 compared with 871,162 a year ago and 844,410 two years ago. TPWD officials say more licenses being sold should be encouraging to hunters, wildlife managers, and for the cause of conservation across the state.

http://www.outdoorcentral.com/mc/pr/03/09/16d2.asp

Where on earth do you come up with these outrageous statements?

Certainly not from any reputable source!

[jody]

42. Re "Where on earth"? Perhaps "never-never land". eom

[slackmaster]

43. He pulls them out of a very dark place

A place where the Sun never shines.

[MrBenchley]

47. No, that would be where the RKBA crowd hangs out.....

[MrBenchley]

46. I get my sources here on earth, spoon

You ought to visit at least once in a while...

"The number of American hunters has been in a slow but steady decline for the last 20 years, and in the last five years alone fell from 14 million to 13 million, one of the steepest drops since the USFWS began keeping records in 1955. And as the general population has swollen to 290 million, hunting has become important to an ever shrinking minority. Today, only 6 percent of Americans 16 and older hunt.
More unsettling, the average age of hunters is increasing. Sixty-seven percent of all hunters are now over the age of 35. Only 14 percent are between 16 and 24—and just 4 percent are 16 and 17 years old. In the language of wildlife biology, the sport of hunting is having "recruitment failure"—a condition that, in the wild, ultimately leads to extinction.
The prospects for a quick turnaround are dim. Surveys by state game and fish agencies in recent years revealed that children who are not exposed to hunting by the age of 14 never become involved. That could mean hunting is facing a serious collapse over the next 25 years as the bubble in its population begins moving into its 60s. Currently, only 3 percent of people who hunt are over 65.
Hunting advocates say the cause behind recruitment failure is tied directly to one trend: loss of hunting opportunity due to loss of wildlife habitat. "

http://www.fieldandstream.com/fieldstream/hunting/article/0,13199,458090,00.html

And from sources that aren’t sugar coating the news for their readers' delicate sensibilities….

"Public opinion polls consistently show that the majority of Americans oppose the killing of animals for "sport" or "recreation." Fewer than 6% of Americans hunt today -- roughly half as many as in the early 1970s.
According to the World Conservation Monitoring Centre, 29% of avian species and 54% of mammalian species currently threatened or endangered are still jeopardized by hunting. The U.S. Sportsman's Alliance -- the largest sport hunting lobbying group in America, representing more than 1,000 sportsmen organizations -- has attempted to dismantle the Endangered Species Act and actively promotes polices that destroy wildlife habitat."

http://www.api4animals.org/doc.asp?ID=1277

"The number of hunters has been steadily declining for decades. According to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, there were 15 million licensed hunters in the U.S. in 2000, compared with 15.6 million in 1993, 15.8 million in 1990, and 16.3 million in 1980. This drop has occurred even while the general population has been growing. Currently only 5.4% of Americans hold hunting licenses. Hunters claim their numbers are growing to give the impression that recreational killing is acceptable. The facts are that more and more hunters are giving up hunting because it is no longer a socially acceptable activity."

http://www.hsus.org/ace/12043

[Spoonman]

50. Hand us a huge friggen laugh!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.api4animals.org/doc.asp?ID=1277
http://www.hsus.org/ace/12043

Like both these groups would know the truth even if it was an animal and it bit them in the ass!!!!

Total hogwash!!!!

What a joke, animal rights.. why not just post the mother of all of them PETA?

And the Field and Stream article, sorry I'm not buying that on either!

Where F&S got it's information is beyond anyones ability to logically repruduce it, because license sales have INCREASED in every state I hunt in!

[jody]

52. Many states do not require those over 65 to buy a license. eom

[Spoonman]

53. Kids either,

And just look and all these people wh have stopped taking the kids hunting.

Last year, approximately 108,000 young people purchased hunting licenses in Texas. Already this year, 100,000 Special Resident Hunting licenses have been sold, said Lange.
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/news/news/971103a.htm

[MrBenchley]

54. Field & Stream, spoon

http://www.fieldandstream.com/fieldstream/hunting/article/0,13199,458090,00.html

"What a joke, animal rights.. "
Yeah, we can see how stuff that breathes takes a back seat to your fetish objects....the RKBA crowd don't care all that much abnoiut human rights...or public safety.

"And the Field and Stream article, sorry I'm not buying that on either!"
Gee, spoon, between you and Field & Stream, who am I likely to believe...hmmm, that's a tough one.

[Spoonman]

56. Yea, and what have you done about public or any safety issue

My official title is Global Health SAFETY and Environmental Director!

So it appears I have dedicated a HUGE portion of my life to helping people stay safe.

Not a huge portion of it attempting to instill the unfounded fear of inanimate objects via misquotes, misinformation and misleading statistics and statements.

Read into the F&S article all you want. It doesn’t even support your argument; its premise is that hunting is on the decline due to loss of opportunity, not lack of interest!

Loss of opportunity boils down to, IMO, being to lazy to walk or drive a little further to get to the field.

Sorry, but your argument is very similar to a colander.

[jhfenton]

65. Can I borrow that?

"Sorry, but your argument is very similar to a colander."

Can I use that, or do you claim a copyright on it? :)

[Spoonman]

86. Feel free......

[MrBenchley]

70. For one thing...

I've joined with pretty much every progressive Democrat around to support gun control. That means siding with sane people like Carolyn McCarthy, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara Boxer, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Chuck Schumer, Charles Rangel, Jon Corzine, Frank Lautenberg, Dick Gephardt, Dennis Kucinich, Tim Johnson, John Lewis, John Edwards, Maxine Waters, Barbara Mikulski Eleanor Holmes Norton, Sheila Jackson-Lee, Nydia M. Velázquez, Nancy Pelosi, Wesley Clark, Steny Hoyer, Jack Reed, Joe Biden, Elijah Cummings, Bart Stupak, Robert Matsui, Jim Clyburn, Patrick Kennedy, Bob Graham, Cherie Trine, Ron Wyden, Major Owens, Henry Waxman and lots of others against thuggish asswipes like Tom DeLay and David Duke.

"It doesn’t even support your argument; its premise is that hunting is on the decline due to loss of opportunity, not lack of interest!"
MY argument was that hunting was on the decline. And that's 100% accurate.

[Spoonman]

87. Well hot damn

"MY argument was that hunting was on the decline. And that's 100% accurate."

It still isn't backed up by anything substantial!

License sales are up....So hunting is on the decline?!

Makes no friggen since to me, but then again it's GG logic so go figure.

Spelling edit

[MrBenchley]

90. "Makes no friggen since to me"

Sez it all, spoon. Sez it all.

[juancarlos]

45. nutcases

"More like the solid majority of common sense voters in favor of gun control who DON't want nutcases and criminals armed with assault weapons wandering the streets." -Benchley

The RKBA crowd is firmly against the ownership and possession of firearms by the mentally unfit. It is also illegal for them to own or posess firarms. Criminals, by definition, are prohibited from firearms ownership. The Constitution Crowd is firmly behind the law.

[jody]

49. Two polls of DU participants found

74% support a platform plank saying "Strong and Sensible Gun Laws. We support 2nd Amendment gun rights, closing gun law loopholes and enforcing laws on the books"

and

75% believe there is a non-zero "probability of a rogue president attempting firearms confiscation".

It looks like the majority of DU participants could use the following image.

[madddog]

9. spot me the $$

I could use a few more cases of .223 and 7.62 Nato, and 5.45x39. Not to mention the Mosins, so I'll need some 7.62x54R; I'll need some .303 for the Enfields, and we can't forget the Garand after all, so some .30 ball will be in order. Don't forget the 9mm, .40, and 45acp....and some 7.62x25 for the CZ-52. About the only thing I do have plenty of is the 8mm for the Mausers.

I guess $1000 will cover it :D I take checks too!

And I thought golf was an expensive pastime.

[DoNotRefill]

11. 8mm mauser...

peoplw who shoot this stuff should really stock up on it. It's dirt cheap right now (~$.06/round delivered), and cyclical in availability Not too long ago, we were looking at $.30/round for it.

If you own an 8mm, even a hand-banger bolt action, you should salt a couple of cases of this stuff away while it's available cheap.

[solinvictus]

12. 8mm

I've seen it as cheap as $75 for 900 rounds of non-corrosive, either Yugo or other Warsaw Pact production from the 1980's. That's why I'm going to have my 24/47 this weekend.

[jody]

15. If I load up a few thousand rounds, do I count as a participant?

:hi:

[jhfenton]

16. Absolutely, I'm gonna load up some myself (eom)

[MrBenchley]

20. Funny

Don't see many donations to DU among these "Democrats" who are in a rush to support the gun lobby...which in turn supports the Republicans.

[slackmaster]

24. The solution to pollution is dilution, MrBenchley

The more Democrats who express their support for the right to keep and bear arms, the less influence the Republicans have over the "gun lobby" and where its money goes.

Come on over to the Dark Side, MrB. It'll be a hoot. How would you like an associate NRA membership for Christmas?

:evilgrin:

[demsrule4life]

25. I have bought several guns this year

and have several of those NRA membership on the cheap cards. Do you need one for Mr B? :)

[slackmaster]

28. No thanks, I'm sure I have several

I bought a nice long-range target rifle in May.

[jhfenton]

29. Associate memberships are only $10.

There's no magazine, but we can agree to provide MrB with all the NRA news for free. :)

[MrBenchley]

27. Why buy ammo? Just send the money right to the RNC

and cut out the middle man....

"the less influence the Republicans have over the "gun lobby" "
Who are you trying to kid, slack? It's the other way around. The NRA didn't boast Chimpy McDipstick would be working in their office, but that they'd be working in his...and for good reason.

"The National Rifle Association's second-ranking officer boasted at a closed meeting of NRA members earlier this year that if Republican nominee George W. Bush wins in November, "we'll have . . . a president where we work out of their office.""

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/050400-01.htm

[slackmaster]

30. Your posts are getting harder to follow by the day

It looks like English but there doesn't seem to be a coherent point.

[MrBenchley]

34. Let me make it clearer, slack...

"slackmaster (1000+ posts) Fri Nov-07-03 02:58 PM
Response to Reply #35
38. It's the Big Lie strategy"

"slackmaster (1000+ posts) Fri Nov-07-03 04:02 PM
Response to Reply #55
58. Nice try but it's still based on a major LIE"

slackmaster (1000+ posts) Fri Nov-07-03 06:11 PM
Response to Reply #64
65. If I may be so bold as to speak for the entire "RKBA crowd"
We aren't saying they are lying."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=20875&mesg_id=21159

[slackmaster]

35. Thanks for referring people back to that post

I think it's one of my better ones.

You don't seem to know how silly you look trying to make ME look bad.

[Spoonman]

36. Pretty silly!

But then again, silliness discribes 99.9% of the anti-RKBA logic!

[MrBenchley]

37. Always happy to.

[Romulus]

38. priceless

slackmaster (1000+ posts)
65. If I may be so bold as to speak for the entire "RKBA crowd"
We aren't saying they are lying. We're saying they're misinformed. They are passing on appeals to fear; the arguments in favor of the AWB are based on emotion and not on facts.

[jody]

44. Skinner defined "spamming" which is a no-no per DU rules as

QUOTE
- Posting the same thing repeatedly, or

- Posting lots of different things in a very short time with the intent to monopolize discussions or take up space

- Posting lots of different things things in a very short time with the intent to disrupt or generally be an ass
UNQUOTE

Can a "chihuahua" be classified as an "ass"?

[MrBenchley]

48. Gee, jody

So which of those three does your unending whining about Senator Feinstein fall under?

[slackmaster]

60. I know where you can find out

[Spoonman]

61. That is .....

friggen histerical!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[slackmaster]

62. Parise the Lord! Spoonman joins the 700 Club!

Better get posting so you can get yourself out of there.

[Spoonman]

64. Ouch it buuuuuurrrrrrns

[jody]

63. God moves in truly mysterious ways, his/her wonders to perform! eom

:evilgrin:

[Spoonman]

51. I guess at least one reply to the question answered or...

demonstrated the answer!

[MrBenchley]

55. And still...

Don't see many donations to DU among these "Democrats" who are in a rush to support the gun lobby...which in turn supports the Republicans.

[Spoonman]

57. Try again

to say what you mean!

Come right out and say it, if you have the gut's!

Still riding that razors edge of the rules I see.

On Edit - fuck all that, I'll just go make a quick $$ right now, and punch yet another hole in your sails!

[Spoonman]

58. HEY SKINNER, I WANT MY YELLOW STAR!!!!

and you can thank MrBenchly for encouraging donations!!

(I planned on donating for my 1000th post, but hell, if it will squash an {ugly} issue raised by someone, FINE BY ME!!!)

[Spoonman]

93. THANKS SKINNER!!!!

Damn, that was FAST!!!

I've seen post where people were whining after 3-4 days, someone must have sent him a PM, was is you MrBenchley? Come big guy fess up!

[MrBenchley]

71. About goddamn time!

[Spoonman]

91. Thanks MrBenchley

You see even though we disagree on some thing, I will concede that your right "on the money". So what’s your cut? He he

[Spoonman]

59. COME ON EVERYBODY

what's $11 dollars?

Not even a six pack of GOOD beer.

Let's show the good DU'ers here know just how wrong MrBenchley is by giving to the ones that allow us the fine opportunity to totally discredit his arguments!!!

Heck, if you can't afford $11 shoot me a PM, and I'll donate a $1 in the name of every regular poster (regular does not mean posting once a week) here in the dungeon that writes me.

[jhfenton]

66. Done

OK Spoonman, I made a donation. Thanks for the encouragement. It was my pleasure. I do so enjoy hanging out in the Dungeon.

[MrBenchley]

73. Geeze, I was wondering how long it would take

before someone in the RKBA crowd spent a dime on something that supports Democrats.

[jhfenton]

75. How many Democratic campaigns have you worked on?

Or even contributed to financially?

Have many PAC committees have you served on?

How many times have you run for office as a Democrat?

How much of your own money have you spent in those campaigns?

It's easy to whine and moan because some other Democrat has the gall to disagree with your annointed "progressive" position on gun control. How much do you really do outside of the DU Gun Dungeon?

Some of us work in the real world.

[MrBenchley]

77. Plenty....

"It's easy to whine and moan because some other Democrat has the gall to disagree with your annointed "progressive" position on gun control."
Gee, last time the RKBA crowd tried to name a bunch of Democrats who did not support gun control in public life, the list ran dry after half a dozen or so names....and included mostly Zell Miller-type DINOs and Dr. Dean, whose position is much closer to my gun control position than "hand out the assault weapons."

"Some of us work in the real world."
That would be the real world where "gun rights" are really being peddled by really repulsive specimens like Tom DeLay and the Aryan Nation...

[jhfenton]

78. "Plenty" what?

Why am I not surprised that you didn't answer any of my questions? Until you show me otherwise, I'll continue to think "keyboard commando."

Besides which, the fallacy of your "guilt by association" argument has been explained to you over and over. Please try to find a new one.

It's obvious that most nationally prominent Democrats are on the wrong side of the gun control debate. That doesn't make them right. I tell them they're wrong every chance I get. Loudly. That's why I spend most of my time and energy at the state and local level. I tell them that too.

[MrBenchley]

79. Plenty

"Besides which, the fallacy of your "guilt by association" argument has been explained to you over and over."
Mostly by people who think Mary Rosh is a real scientist.

"It's obvious that most nationally prominent Democrats are on the wrong side of the gun control debate."
Only to those who think Trent Lott's side is the right side.

"That doesn't make them right."
Yeah, but when I look at the scum lined up on the "gun rights" side and the other insane positions those same asswipes hold, I'll take my chances with those nationally prominent Democrats.

[jhfenton]

80. Your silence on your real-world activism speaks volumes. (eom)

[MrBenchley]

81. Yeah, what it says

is that sane people know that anybody can claim anything about themselves on the internet.....

Why, these guys claimed to be real Democrats at one time or another....till they got kicked off nine and ten times...

"Kicked off Democraticunderground for the 9th time
My wolf-in-sheep's-clothing act gets better every time out, but invariably I panic some blissninny into alerting the moderators about my non-liberal chakra or something.
Any advice for attempt number 10? My 2A evangelism is needed where it would do the most good.
BTW, I am running out of clever, but not too obvious, liberal double entendre screen names. Suggestions appreciated here too."

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33227&highlight=%2ADemocratic+Underground%2A

[jhfenton]

82. Another red herring, since you know exactly who I am.

You know I'm a Democrat in the real world, and it galls you to no end.

JohnFenton.org
SmartVoter.org 2003
SmartVoter.org 2001
AFL-CIO Cincinnati Labor Council Endorsements

You can also go to the www.cincinnatienquirer.com and search for "John Fenton" and "Norwood". Some of the many articles I've been mentioned in pop up. A few even mention my party affiliation.

My home and work phone numbers are even out there in plain view for you to call me if you wish. The fax number listed on the SmartVoter 2003 site is actually my direct dial telephone number at work.

Now, do you want to tell me who you are?

[MrBenchley]

84. Gee, fenton

That's swell...

"do you want to tell me who you are?"
Yeah, I'm the guy who's not lined up with Trent Lott and Tom deLay on this issue.

[jhfenton]

88. Broken record (eom)

[slackmaster]

83. Too TOO funny!

MrBenchley,

If not for extremist wacko views like yours there wouldn't be much reason for people like those HighRoaders to come trolling here.

You are a lightning rod.

[MrBenchley]

85. Even funnier

Nothing but "extremist wacko views" over on highroadrage.com.

"there wouldn't be much reason for people like those HighRoaders to come trolling here."
Yeah, got to protect those sacred fetish objects from blasphemers, eh, slack?

There's no reason at all that I can see for those shitheels to go anywhere, other than that the RKBA argument is utterly rotten from stem to stern. It depends on lies and horseshit from nutcases like the ones in evidence there. And if it had facts on its side, it wouldn't need crowds of raving nutcases assuming names like "leftofstalin" and "blind-sheep" to try and shout down honest people.

[slackmaster]

89. If you didn't make Democrats look bad you'd be even funnier

[MrBenchley]

92. Tell it to "leftofstalin" or some other gun nut

over there...next time they troll in to spout their childish and dishonest "gun rights" shit for the 11th or 12th time.

[jhfenton]

94. "gun nut" = "dishonest" "troll"

I'm a "gun nut." Am I a dishonest troll, too? You keep tap-dancing around the accusation.

[MrBenchley]

95. Gee fenton

If you want to pretend you are, it's no skin off my nose.

I was clearly talking about imbeciles like "leftofstalin" who was trolling in from that ugly little klavern there.

"Kicked off Democraticunderground for the 9th time
My wolf-in-sheep's-clothing act gets better every time out, but invariably I panic some blissninny into alerting the moderators about my non-liberal chakra or something.
Any advice for attempt number 10? My 2A evangelism is needed where it would do the most good.
BTW, I am running out of clever, but not too obvious, liberal double entendre screen names. Suggestions appreciated here too."

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33227&highlight=%2ADemocratic+Underground%2A

Now if you want to put yourself in among that company, I'm not going to stop you. But I can't imagine why any decent sane person would.

[slackmaster]

96. MrBenchley exploits loopholes in the posting rules here

Publicly accusing someone of trolling is forbidden, so he gets around the rules by constructing posts in couched language that does not technically violate the rules. IMO his corpus of contributions violates the spirit of that restriction.

He walks a fine line around the requirement to treat others with civility and respect. Clearly he does not have any real respect for most of the people who post here.

[MrBenchley]

97. Gee, slack

"Publicly accusing someone of trolling is forbidden"
As is trolling....which the RKBA crowd over at highroadrage.com were boasting aloud about doing. Wonder why anybody would have to stoop to that tactic....unless their argumentn was full of crap yoto start with

"Clearly he does not have any real respect for most of the people who post here."
Gee, I have no problem with progressives and Democrats...in fact, in this thread alone I named a number of them I admire, including Carolyn McCarthy, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara Boxer, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Chuck Schumer, Charles Rangel, Jon Corzine, Frank Lautenberg, Dick Gephardt, Dennis Kucinich, Tim Johnson, John Lewis, John Edwards, Maxine Waters, Barbara Mikulski Eleanor Holmes Norton, Sheila Jackson-Lee, Nydia M. Velázquez, Nancy Pelosi, Wesley Clark, Steny Hoyer, Jack Reed, Joe Biden, Elijah Cummings, Bart Stupak, Robert Matsui, Jim Clyburn, Patrick Kennedy, Bob Graham, Cherie Trine, Ron Wyden, Major Owens, and Henry Waxman. And the list doesn't stop there...

Of course we do have people on this board who have openly expressed admiration for the GOP platform right in this forum.

[Liberal Classic]

98. Who has said anything about the Pubbie's platform?

Of course we do have people on this board who have openly expressed admiration for the GOP platform right in this forum.

Please point me to a post where someone expresses such a sentiment. Believing that the 2nd amendment describes an individual right does not make one a Republican.

[slackmaster]

99. I said the GOPs position on guns is clearer than the DNCs

Because it is written more clearly.

The DNC's most recent platform needs some tweaks.

[Liberal Classic]

101. Alrighty then

You Pubbie. No one but a nazi would criticize the platform. ;)

[jody]

100. Agree, and being a gun-grabber doesn't make one a Democrat!

:hi:

[MrBenchley]

103. But being a member of the RKBA crowd

makes one, well.....you decide....

"jody  (1000+ posts) Sat Nov-08-03 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #35
36. Please provide a link where I criticized the party "platform language as
being anti-RKBA". I have stated that the platform contains statements in other sections that lead people to misunderstand the National Democratic Party's position on RKBA that I quoted above. "

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=21126&mesg_id=21254&page=

"jody  (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-08-03
One problem is that the DNC Platform is written with so much anti-RKBA venom"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=7331#8580

[MrBenchley]

102. See Slack, below

[OpelGT]

67. My Brithday!!

19 Nov is my 30th! Who's gonna get me a case of .45ACP 230 grain ball and mail it to me?

[jhfenton]

68. A whole case?!

Happy Birthday! :party:

That would be an awfully expensive birthday present, even for a family member or close friend. ;)

But I might buy you a 550rd box of .22LR if you will come to Cincinnati and pick it up. :hi:

[OpelGT]

72. Dang

Well, it was worth a try.:)

[jody]

69. How about a pound of Bullseye, a thousand large pistol primers, and

33 pounds of linotype. :hi:

[OpelGT]

74. Funny you should mention that.....

I'm going today to pick up a RockChucker kit as a gift to myself in order to start myself into the world of "rolling my own".

[jhfenton]

76. You'll love it.

It adds a wonderful new dimension to the hobby. It's very easy to get started, and it gives you so many more options than factory ammo.