Police raffle Semi-Automatic Rifle, Anti-gunners Cry Foul!!!

[Man_in_the_Moon]

http://www.qconline.com/archives/qco/sections.cgi?prcss=display&id=174459

Law-enforcement memorial group defends semi-automatic rifle raffle
By Tory Brecht , Staff writer


Despite claims to the contrary, there is nothing ironic, unusual or immoral about raffling off a semi-automatic rifle to raise money for a police memorial, say members of the committee conducting the raffle.

Gene Karzin, president of the Quad Cities Law Enforcement Memorial Committee, said the fundraiser is aimed primarily at fellow police officers who might like to have a rifle for use on duty.

And here is a baldfaced LIE by an anti-gunner:

``To raffle off a gun used, more often than not, to kill innocent people, and particularly law-enforcement officers, is pretty misguided,'' he said. ``To raise money for a memorial is wonderful, but you'd hate to see an officer's name go up on that memorial because they're killed by an AR-15 or a similar weapon.''

What horseshit!!!

If that was the case there would be hundreds of thousands or millions of people killed by these weapons each year, and that just hasnt happened.

[DoNotRefill]

1. Yup...

I'd hate to see the cops have evil black assault weapons...

[funkyflathead]

2. This won't get far

``It's not what they're portraying it as,'' he said. ``It's a legal weapon you can buy at any gun store in the Quad-Cities. It is not fully automatic. We couldn't raffle off a banned weapon, or I'd have to put myself in jail.''

So a cop wins a legal gun he could use TO PROTECT US.

I bet it comes with a 10 round magazine too.

[solinvictus]

3. Raffle for the AR-15

I wonder how much tickets were? I'd like one for the range.

[beevul]

4. I see no problem with this(the raffle)

"To raffle off a gun used, more often than not, to kill innocent people, and particularly law-enforcement officers, is pretty misguided,'' he said. ``To raise money for a memorial is wonderful, but you'd hate to see an officer's name go up on that memorial because they're killed by an AR-15 or a similar weapon."

And I also have to agree that this is indeed a "baldfaced LIE" as well.

The anti "faction" sooner or later is going to have to come to grips with some facts:

that when a lie like this is told, it can and will be disproven, therefore it only serves to make their position look weaker.

that when a lie like this is told, it creats further mistrust, and strengthens the resolve, the position, and the will of the "pro-gun" faction.

that when a lie like this is told, it MAY panic a verry select and vocal few, but certainly nowhere near a majority.

Call it my opinion, it would be better for everyone if the truth were adhered to, instead of tired "retread" rhetoric, and propaganda.

[jhfenton]

5. Anti-gun hysteria

The only excuse I can think for this kind of behavior is an irrational fear of firearms. In their world, Paul Revere would have shouted, "The guns are coming! The guns are coming!"

[DonP]

6. Ah ha! Moline and Quad Cities.

My backyard, so to speak.

I'm going to see if I can buy a few tickets. It's a good cause and even though I don't "need" another EBR I might as well spend a few bucks to support the cops out there.

I can drive out to pick it up when I win it. Maybe they'd let me test drive it on their range.

Hey, wait a minute. I thought all police didn't want these kinds of evil "assault" style weapons in civilian hands. Maybe it's a sting operation to trap us.

I'll protect everyone and buy as many of the available tickets as I can, just in case. You all stay here and don't buy any tickets, I'll go first.

Don P.

[iverglas]

7. Aaaaah, Moline and the Quad Cities

I actually know them rather intimately, most particularly Rock Island. Nasty place, sorry to say. Not surprised to find idiot redneck cops there.

I guess no one else is at all disturbed by the idea of peace officers carrying and using their own private weapons while on duty. I happen to find it an extremely disturbing idea.


"To raffle off a gun used, more often than not, to kill innocent people, ..."

It strikes me that someone is making a great big dumb ugly mountain out of a bit of a misspoken molehill. This was obviously a snippet of oral speech, in which people, more often than not, say things that are quite incoherent when divorced from context, inflection, etc.

It strikes me that what was meant by this statement was "a gun used more often than other types of firearms to kill innocent people" -- more often than not this kind of gun. Which might, itself, be a bit of hyperbole, but hyperbole is a fact of life.

The only dishonesty I see here is an attempt to represent something that someone said as meaning something that it was OBVIOUSLY not intended to mean.

Obvious to a person with a grain of sense and a smidgen of bona fides, of course.

.

[jhfenton]

8. "redneck cops"

"I actually know them rather intimately, most particularly Rock Island. Nasty place, sorry to say. Not surprised to find idiot redneck cops there."

iverglas, I'm disappointed in you. There's no basis for slurs.

"I guess no one else is at all disturbed by the idea of peace officers carrying and using their own private weapons while on duty. I happen to find it an extremely disturbing idea."

Actually, it's quite common in the U.S. In many departments officers carry their personal sidearms. That is the case in our local police department. Officers can carry any reasonable revolver or pistol chambered in .38Sp, .357Mag, 9mm, .40S&W, .357Sig, or .45ACP. The department does provide 12ga shotguns for officers and the Special Operations Group has department-issued HK submachine guns, but I know many officers carry additional personal weapons in their trunks.

[Valarauko]

10. I happen to find it an extremely disturbing idea

Why? Please clarify

[beevul]

9. No longer divorced from context., (had to jump in lol)

"Mr. Mannard said the fact that it is being raffled off to help fund a memorial dedicated to officers killed in the line of duty is disturbing. "

"To raffle off a gun used, more often than not, to kill innocent people, and particularly law-enforcement officers, is pretty misguided,'' he said. ``To raise money for a memorial is wonderful, but you'd hate to see an officer's name go up on that memorial because they're killed by an AR-15 or a similar weapon."

"That's highly unlikely, said Det. Karzin. "

"Only one officer in the last 44 years has been killed by a weapon of this sort in the state of Illinois," he said. "

"It strikes me that someone is making a great big dumb ugly mountain out of a bit of a misspoken molehill. This was obviously a snippet of oral speech, in which people, more often than not, say things that are quite incoherent when divorced from context, inflection, etc."

and

"It strikes me that what was meant by this statement was "a gun used more often than other types of firearms to kill innocent people" -- more often than not this kind of gun. Which might, itself, be a bit of hyperbole, but hyperbole is a fact of life."-Iverglass.

This:"To raffle off a gun used, more often than not, to kill innocent people, and particularly law-enforcement officers, is pretty misguided" is the person in question's exact words, context and all.

Does that clear things up any? I mean, in all honesty, if as the detective said, "Only one officer in the last 44 years has been killed by a weapon of this sort in the state of Illinois," is true, then what could this gun be used more than? A flintlock? A cheeseburger? A bearded lady?

I believe the fact of the matter to be that this was an anti, who got caught saying something untruthful to the media. Even the police disagree with his statement.

Staying civil :evilgrin: hehe

[davidinalameda]

11. and I thank you for it

:-)

[Man_in_the_Moon]

12. hyperbole

A lie with a fancy name is still a lie.