Another Contribution by Hunters to Conservation--NOT!

[MrBenchley]

"3 more white-tailed deer farms quarantined
Three more white-tailed deer farms have been quarantined because their animals may have come in contact with a buck infected with chronic wasting disease, state officials said Thursday.
Owners of the farms in Grant, Rock and Jefferson counties bought animals from Richard Poff, a Beloit deer farmer who sold a buck to a Portage County game preserve that later tested positive for chronic wasting disease, according to the state Department of Agriculture, Trade and Consumer Protection.
There are now 16 Wisconsin herds under quarantine because of chronic wasting disease. Seven are linked to the three positive cases discovered at Buckhorn Flats Game Farm, and two are herds that received elk from a Minnesota herd that was later found infected."

http://www.jsonline.com/news/state/nov03/184885.asp

Another positive contribution by hunters to conservation….NOT.

By the way, isn’t the stated rationale for this idiotic "sport" that there are too many deer in the wild and that they need to be harvested for the balance of nature? Guess that’s another flat-out lie from the gun lobby.

[pnb]

1. What does this disease have to do with your conclusion?

Are you trying to make the claim that because a few deer got sick that somehow they are a dying breed?

[demsrule4life]

2. What does this story have to do with hunters since

not once in the story is the word hunter used?

[MrBenchley]

4. Who are you trying to kid, dems?

Are you REALLY trying to claim these game farms aren't for hunters?

"Hunters from all over the United States pay Hall thousands of dollars to hunt for trophy bucks on his farm. The Department of Natural Resources first quarantined Hall's farm Sept. 19, 2002, after a 4 1/2-year-old deer tested positive for CWD."

http://www.wisinfo.com/journal/spjlocal/279171548079512.shtml

[demsrule4life]

8. You can blame the fishermen for this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=115&topic_id=2706


That would make about a much sense as blaming hunters for a natural occuring diease.

[MrBenchley]

10. Hey, dems, you ducked the question

the other day...

"demsrule4life  (685 posts) Tue Nov-18-03 10:42 AM
Response to Reply #26
30. When Kennedy said the other day that Dems would not
approve any Neandthals appointed by Bush did he mean people of color? Just wondering since they are fighting against mostly minority appointees."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=22775&mesg_id=23186

Who is "they"? And are you REALLY going to try to pretend the fight in Congress is about discrimination against minorities?

[demsrule4life]

11. All the sane decent people you always claim

that aren't racists.

[MrBenchley]

13. So you're actually claiming that the fight over

Chimpy's extremist nominees is based on racism?

Guess you've outed yourself for what you really are.

[demsrule4life]

14. And that is what?

[MrBenchley]

15. Pretty obvious

Wonder who shares that dishonest opinion? I'll bet the demented specimens over at the Free Republic do. I know the corrupt asswipes at Bill Buckley's Nazional Review do. I know Newsmax and other right wing shitholes do. I know Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity do.

Nice set of playmates, "dems".

[demsrule4life]

16. Only thing obvious here

is you don't know shit about what I am. When I watched Ted on that show the other day I was pissed about the comments he made. I would of been pissed no matter who of either party made those comments. You said yesterday I was not respectful to Ted. Well guess what I have no respect for that old drunk. If it wasen't for the family name and family money he would be living on the streets panhandling for his next bottle of MD. If you respect him so much why don't you go for a ride with him sometime after one of his weekend long binges. John and Bobby had all my respect, Ted gets none.

[MrBenchley]

17. Yeah, surrrrrrre....

"Well guess what I have no respect for that old drunk."
Well, I've got more respect for him than I do for any of the RKBA crowd.

"John and Bobby had all my respect"
Hey, whatever happened to those two guys? Oh yeah....some nutcases with guns shot them.

[demsrule4life]

18. Good for you

I have no respect for a drunk that is responsible for a young womans death while driving drunk and spends no time in jail because of his last name.

[demsrule4life]

19. Just wondering why you hijacked your own thread

guess you realized it did'nt make any sense either.

[MrBenchley]

20. Gee, dems....it makes sense

you don't.

[Maine-i-acs]

3. A deer farmer is not a hunter.

No more than a chicken farmer is a bird-hunter.

So unless the farms closed due to CWD are all owned by hutners or hunters' organizations, this is just a case of a tragic consequence of some people trying to operate a business.

Salmon farmers run into similar problems - but that does not indict fishermen!

[MrBenchley]

5. Who the hell are you trying to kid?

These farms are for "captive hunts"...and if that's sport than abattoir workers are sportsmen.

[el_gato]

22. if you can't tell the diff then you need to take a look

but you wouldn't know since all you do is talk about stuff that you have no experience with anyway

[pansypoo53219]

6. never ignore mother nature's rules

or you SHALL reap unintended results.

[MrBenchley]

7. So we have to allow hunting

because otherwise we'll be overrun with deer (because the hunters have upset the balance of nature in the first place) but then they're farming deer to cause that overrun?

Ho-kay.

[el_gato]

9. i don't believe in farming wildlife

and I don't believe in using deer feeders for hunting either.

Having said that your phoney smear is a laugh benchley

You can't lump everybody into the same group.

It's a vast and diverse world out there.

Maybe you should get out from behind the computer and take a look.

[MrBenchley]

12. Gee, gato, think that means wildlife farms don't exist?

"It's a vast and diverse world out there."
And most of it ended up on the NRA's idiotic blacklist.

[el_gato]

21. I didn't say that now did I? please try to make sense at least

your histrionics make DU such a hoot.
:D

[MrBenchley]

23. You first, gato

[el_gato]

24. A real example instead of the strange tangential one bench posted

STATEMENT OF TROUT UNLIMITED CALLING ON THE SENATE TO FIX OR ELIMINATE
ENERGY BILL PROVISIONS HARMFUL TO FISH AND WILDLIFE.

Washington, D.C. – The sweeping Energy Bill, approved by the U.S. House of
Representatives yesterday and scheduled for consideration by the Senate
today, contains provisions harmful to fish and wildlife conservation
efforts across the nation. Specifically, Trout Unlimited opposes
provisions in the “Oil and Gas” and “Hydropower” sections because of their
adverse effects on trout and salmon habitat, and to the interests of fish
and wildlife conservationists. We call on the Senate to eliminate or fix
these provisions prior to final passage.

more a www.TU.org

[MrBenchley]

25. And what the hell does this have to do with diseased deer on farms, gato?

Answer: Not a damn thing.

[el_gato]

26. your original post was an attempt to smear those who hunt and fish

[MrBenchley]

27. How tragic for you

that you have nothing pertinent to add to the discussion.

[el_gato]

28. that's really rich

[RoeBear]

29. Can I come to the conclusion...

...that you are anti-hunting?

[RoeBear]

33. I assume your lack of reply means...

...that you are.

Do you care to add that plank to the Democratic Party? If so, you could hold the next Democratic national convention in a Holiday Inn room.

[MrBenchley]

34. Assume away. roe

It's not like you actually pay attention to fact or reality anyway.

My lack of reply meant that I don't feel like responding to YOUR phony "questions."

[RoeBear]

36. With an attitude like that...

..you're leading this party right into the dumpster.

[Name removed]

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[RoeBear]

39. Don't call me a pimp!

I don't hunt, but blasting hunters is a stupid thing for someone who 'claims' to care about the Democratic party to do.

[MrBenchley]

41. Gee, you're the one chose to stand with John AshKKKroft

and try to spread his lies and hysteria on the issue.

[RoeBear]

43. His lies and hysteria about hunting?

What dream world do you live in?

BTW- I'm sick of your calling people you don't agree with racist names.

[MrBenchley]

44. Gee, roe, ask me if I care what you're sick of...

[RoeBear]

45. I'm glad there are special rules for you...

...you can call a black man a pimp and get no punishment.

[MrBenchley]

46. Gee, roe....

You keep standing there in line with John AshKKKroft, David Duke and the Aryan Nation....

It makes this outrage seem SO convincing.

[CO Liberal]

47. Uh, RoeBear.......

Hardly anyone knows the race of anyone else on this board. If you're that offended by MrBenchley's post, use the "Alert" button.

(BTW, I don't consider "pimp" to be a word associated with any particular group. It's an activity that transcends race, class, and country of origin, IMHO.)

[MrBenchley]

49. Seems to me

that anyone who wades in the cesspool to cool his feet has no right to bitch when someone complains publicly about the smell...

[Spoonman]

71. Yea, and your arguments stink the worst! n/t

[MrBenchley]

72. Gee, I'm not the one pimping Larry Pratt's crap

dredged out of some right wing cesspool...

[Spoonman]

74. Cry me a river

waaaaa waaaa waaaa

[MrBenchley]

79. Hey, I'm the one laughing

at how sore you guys get whenever your playmates get pointed out in public.

I'm proud to stand with people like Carolyn McCarthy, John Lewis, Barney Frank, Al Gore, Charlie Gutierrez and dozens of other sane decent liberal people...and you scream in rage when "gun rights" supporters like Tom DeLay, John AshKKKroft and Ted Nugent are pointed out.

[MrBenchley]

30. More on this mess

"Crop farming didn't interest Bradfield, so two years ago he introduced dozens of deer and elk, hoping the alternate farm commodity could help keep their property in his family another 100 years.
Chronic wasting disease, a fatal brain disorder that attacks deer and elk, was once thought relegated to the western United States. Nationally, it's been detected in wild deer and elk in eight states, including Wisconsin and Illinois, and the U.S. Department of Agriculture is monitoring captive and wild animals in another 14 states, including Michigan, Indiana and Iowa.
Michigan is home to some 900 facilities that stock thousands of deer, elk - also known as cervids - and other exotic species used for breeding, hunting, exhibition and meat sales. Operations range in size from a few acres to sprawling land tracts.
"The captive cervid industry, in my mind, has to be viewed as one of those high-risk industries where the potential for something to go wrong is so great, it has to be very highly regulated," said Bill Murphy of the Michigan Resource Stewards, a group of about 100 retired state employees who believe that wild deer protection should take precedence."

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/observer/business/6181988.htm

Remember the rationale for hunting is that deer populations in the wild are too large....

[histohoney]

31. I am not a hunter

But lets get real. The overpopulation of wild life veries from region to region. There are just to many factors, climate, urban growth, ect... While one part of the country may be having a good year for rain another may be in drought.

The only time I have ever seen my father shoot a deer (whitetail) was because it was too far gone from starvation and was in it's last stages of dying, In PAIN. He would have liked the meat to have gone to a charity (You can send deer and wild game meat to food banks in this state) but there was no meat on the poor dear. It was a during a 4yr drought. We buried it under a tree in the back. Sometime in the night something even hungrier dug it up and ate it, (fox, coyotes,pack dogs...)

You are by design a predatore, so is my father and I,we just all choose not to be but I never bad mouth a responsible one (I mean a hunter that follows the laws, and uses the meat, not some fool who poaches and just takes head trophies). By the way YOU are using up space that wild animals used to roam, you us electricity to run you computer that uses land and resources that animals could use. WE all are still predatores but we hunt space, water, grains and vegatation from animals.

[MrBenchley]

32. Yes, let's get real...

"You are by design a predatore"
Actually, primates are omnivores, not carnivores. And we ceased relying on a hunting-based way of living somewhere around 10,000 BC.

"By the way YOU are using up space that wild animals used to roam"
Yeah, and I'm not killing them for FUN...nor am I claiming that they need to be killed because there are too many of them while breeding them on the sly. Nor am I keeping disease-ridden herds of them while thumping my chest and declaring myself an conservationist.

[1a2b3c]

35. we stopped hunting in 10000 bc?

Yeah, and I'm not killing them for FUN...nor am I claiming that they need to be killed because there are too many of them while breeding them on the sly. Nor am I keeping disease-ridden herds of them while thumping my chest and declaring myself an conservationist.

And yet you continue to clear-cut forests for wood to build your 4000 square foot house. With all that waste i would hope you wouldnt consider yourself a conservationist. Ducks Unlimited does more for conservation than PETA ever has.

[MrBenchley]

38. We stopped being dependent on hunting about then

Of course, there are still imbeciles who need to kill something to make up for their personal shortcomings....

"nd yet you continue to clear-cut forests for wood to build your 4000 square foot house."
Man, SOME people have a severe case of projection neurosis...or else near-pathological dishonesty.

"Ducks Unlimited does more for conservation"
As long as you count killing ducks as conservation...which so few sane people would.

[RoeBear]

40. Reality check!

Mother nature doesn't care about individual animals just the continuation of the species. DU provides the wetlands to allow ducks to flourish.

[MrBenchley]

42. Yeah, the RKBA crowd needs a SERIOUS reality check.

Ask the Passenger Pigeon...or the bison.

[1a2b3c]

63. Dude when PETA conserves land

for animal habitat instead of picketing McDonalds, then they might have more credibility than DU or one of the many other hunting and fishing conservation groups.

[Spoonman]

68. PETA - credibility

LMFAO

I'm with you on this one, PETA is about as credible as Jr.!
Anyone who believes in their lies needs to get a life!

[Overkil]

61. Ducks Unlimited does more for conservation than PETA ever has.

Ducks Unlimited does more for conservation than PETA ever has.

Found some data the go along with this:

In 1937, hunters lobbied Congress to pass the Pittman-Robinson Act, an 11 percent tax on hunting equipment which, combined with license fees, now provides $700 million a year for protection of wildlife habitat on public lands. And Ducks Unlimited alone has conserved an estimated 7.2 million acres of waterfowl habitat.

www.sierraclub.org/sierra/199605/ways.asp


SPORTSMEN PONY UP HALF BILLION FOR STATE WILDLIFE AGENCIES
Excise taxes totaling more than $478 million flowed this year into U.S. wildlife conservation programs thanks to The Federal Aid in Wildlife Restoration Act of 1937 (popularly known as the Pittman-Robinson Act) and the Federal Aid in Sport Fish Restoration Act of 1950 (Dingell-Johnson Act). In 1984 a third statute, the Wallop-Breaux Act included a portion of federal fuels tax and import duties on fishing tackle and pleasure boats. Over $8.5 billion from the federal measures have funded U.S. wildlife programs since the two acts became law.

Both are intriguing examples of the dedication of the men and women, generically identified as “sportsmen” to wildlife and wild habitat. Both are described as self-imposed taxes lobbied for by hunters, gun owners, archers, fishermen, and boaters. The Pittman-Robinson Act imposes an 11 percent excise tax on “sporting” firearms and ammunition, a ten percent tax on handguns, and 11 percent sales tax on archery equipment. Fully half of the monies collected via the handgun and archery equipment taxes goes to state hunter education and safety programs.

http://wildecology.ifcnr.com/article.cfm?NewsID=287


Another local group here in Arizona is the Arizona Elk Society. We (about 600 of us) formed two years ago. Earlier this year we had our second annual banquet and raised $464,000 for elk habitat preservation in Arizona. We were tired of raising all the money for RMEF and having 90% go to projects outside the state.

http://www.arizonaelksociety.org


I included all the links cause I know MrBenchley likes that.

[LARED]

48. What are you talking about?

stated rationale for this idiotic "sport" that there are too many deer in the wild and that they need to be harvested for the balance of nature?

Yes, that is one legitimate reason to hunt. An important one at that. Of course you prefer deer population wasting away via starvation during harsh winters (the natural way populations manage themselves).

BTW not all deer farms allowing hunting.

But more to the point. Why do you give a rats rear end if someones hunts?

People hunt for meat, for the challenge, for fun and other reasons. Why do you feel the need to tell other what to do?

BTW, the way you relate the NRA, Ashcroft, gunners and hunters into the same group is asinine.

[demsrule4life]

50. Welcome

Nice to see a voice of reason down here.

[Name removed]

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[demsrule4life]

55. He is one of a kind

guess we could just say he is eccentric and leave it at that.

[MrBenchley]

51. Hahahahahaha....

"the way you relate the NRA, Ashcroft, gunners and hunters into the same group"
Yes, it's all MY doing that the crooked racist attorney general is a life member of the extremist group (headed by racists) that claims to represent all hunters and gunners. What a sense of power that gives me!

Here's the card I printed up just for him...


Mbwahahahahahaha! Soon my evil plans will be complete! Better hide under the bed NOW, while there's still time!

[LARED]

52. Is it safe to assume then that

you think the NRA, Ashcroft, gunners and hunters are by default in the same group? All think alike, have the same goals and aspiration?

You clearly are implying that with your remarks.

Also, unless you have other information I thought the leadership in the NRA spoke for it's membership only. Also when did the NRA become a extremist group, headed by a racist?

In your fevered imagination, I would guess.

But what about answering my question. Why do you feel obligated to tell me, a hunter, what to do?

[MrBenchley]

54. Again...

"the NRA, Ashcroft, gunners and hunters are by default in the same group? All think alike, have the same goals and aspiration? "
Certainly don't see much bitching by the NRA about this racist piece of shit AshKKKroft...in fact, they put a big admiring article in their magazine when this ugly pinhead took office.

"unless you have other information I thought the leadership in the NRA spoke for it's membership only"
Go to the NRA website and tell us what they say there.

"Start your network today -- it`s easy: Enlist your family, friends, co-workers, fellow firearm owners and club members. Don`t forget your natural allies - gun shop owners, shooting range personnel, and hunters."

http://www.nraila.org/ActionCenter/GrassRootsActivism.aspx?ID=4

"when did the NRA become a extremist group, headed by a racist?"
You tell me....
"I was astounded to read these courageous remarks by Charlton Heston.  I am thankful to hear a man with such high esteem say essentially the same things for which I have been reviled by the liberal media. His words should be reproduced and put into the hands of every American."
--David Duke

http://www.duke.org/writings/heston.html

What a nice pair of playmates!

[LARED]

56. Mr MrBenchley

Instead of throwing in a strawman argument about an NRA article, why not answer the question directly?

Are the NRA, Ashcroft, gunners and hunters are by default in the same group? Do they all think alike, have the same goals and aspiration?

Well?

Please tell me you don't really believe that because the NRA encourages its members to be involved in grassroot efforts that the NRA now represents all hunters and gunners? You seem way to smart to really believe that.

Nice try on the David Duke thing. I must ask. Is that the best you have?

So because David Duke puts up comments about a speech Heston made, Heston becomes a racist. Are you having a logic free moment? When you find something about Heston singing the praises of Duke let me know.

And before you go there, I read the speech and found nothing racist about it. Although I'm certain those that are bound and determined to demagogue race will be nearly hysterical about it.

[MrBenchley]

57. Too too funny....

"Are the NRA, Ashcroft, gunners and hunters are by default in the same group?"
Show me any comment from the NRA even mildly critical of that racist pinhead. And the only complaints I've ever seen on any gunners or hunters forum criticizing the NRA were those criticizing them for not being even crazier and MORE right wing.

"because David Duke puts up a comments about a speech Heston made Heston becomes a racist."
Here's a little tip....when David Duke approves publicly of what somebody says, that somebody is racist. David Duke's hobbyhorse is racist hate and he rides it like it was Seabiscuit.

[LARED]

58. Here's two big tips for you

1. Straw man arguments are pretty useless if one wants to engage in meaningful discourse. Seeing as you did it twice in regards to the same question, I'll assume you can't or won't answer.

2. When Davis Duke approves of something a racist says, then it is confirmation that said person is a racist. When you can show me that Heston is a racist, you will be far more credible.

See, if I stood up and said the second amendments intent was to protect an existing right for the individual to bear arms and Duke agrees with me; there is no logical method to then conclude I am a racist because Davis Duke is a racist.

[MrBenchley]

59. Hahahahahahaha!

"When Davis Duke approves of something a racist says, then it is confirmation that said person is a racist."
David Duke doesn't have any other issue BUT racial hate...it's his sole stock in trade.

"if I stood up and said the second amendments intent was to protect an existing right for the individual to bear arms and Duke agrees with me; there is no logical method to then conclude I am a racist because Davis Duke is a racist. "
au contraire, my friend: there's every reason to believe that anything David Duke pimps in public is part of his racist agenda...especially when that statement is a position shared publicly by folks like Ted Nugent, Larry Pratt, Pat Buchanan, Jeb Bush, John AshKKKroft, Trent Lott, Jerry Falwell, the Aryan Nations, the Texas Knights of the KKK, Bo Gritz, Randy Weaver, William Pierce, and just about every racist piece of shit that can be found high or low.

Does it mean that everyone holding that position is racist? Not necessarily...but it certainly DOES suggest to anyone with working brain cells that the position is being used as code for plain old fashioned hate...and puts the onus on those holding differing views to distance themselves from that odious pack...which there's no evidence any of the "gun rights" crowd is doing publicly. Especially since several of those folks hold leadership positions in the two largest gun owners groups, with no audible murmur of dissent among their members.

[LARED]

60. Exactly what statement are you talking about

The Heston speech? Did you read it? Did you find anything racist? Or is there some other statement.

BTW, On the Duke site I noticed he calls Jesse Jackson a racist. So based on your logic, Jackson is a racist because Duke says so????

[MrBenchley]

65. Funnier AND funnier......

"On the Duke site I noticed he calls Jesse Jackson a racist."
And that's not a tipoff to you? Ho-kay. Nuff said.

[LARED]

70. Okee Dokee

What exactly am I supposed to be tipped off about?

[MrBenchley]

73. Hey...

if you can't figure out what the difference is between those David Duke cheers for and those David Duke opposes, I'm not going to waste more time on the subject.

By the way, what do you suppose David Duke's position on gun rights is?

[LARED]

76. True enough

It is a waste of time. You have a hard time keeping on subject. Interject straw man arguments. Refuse to answer straight forward questions. Are apparently confused about what makes someone is a racist and have a terrible time using logic.

Other than that it been fun.

[MrBenchley]

80. Hey, I'm not the one unable to figure out David Duke

that was you.

"Are apparently confused about what makes someone is a racist"
Nope....I've nailed it pretty clearly.

[LARED]

83. Nice try

No one was questioning that David Duke is a racist. And the fact you imply I am unable to figure out that he is only speaks volumes to your sophistry.

[LARED]

84. Nice try

No one was questioning that David Duke is a racist. And the fact you imply I am unable to figure out that he is only speaks volumes to your sophistry.

[MrBenchley]

85. Once again...

When David Duke approves publicly of what somebody says, that somebody is racist. David Duke's hobbyhorse is racist hate and he rides it like it was Seabiscuit.

[LARED]

90. And repeating over and over again

silly statements that are based on a unusually simplistic view of the world seems to be your hobbyhorse.

[MrBenchley]

92. Suit yourself...

David Duke knows a fellow racist like himself when he sees the drivel he spouts publicly...even if you pretend not to. And who has two working brain cells and is surprised that the racist pusbucket announces in public he doesn't like Jesse Jackson?

"simplistic view of the world"
Gee, maybe it's just that I am unwilling to pretend that racist pieces of shit are anything but racist pieces of shit. But then I'm also not trying to pretend that the group screaming that they stand for conservation and that they must hunt because there are too many deer in the wild, aren't farming herds of deer on the sly, and diseased deer at that.

[LARED]

94. By repeating your

wishful thinking, are you trying to convince me or yourself?

[MrBenchley]

96. Gee, nothing wishful around here on my end

And I've long since been convinced what "gun rights" is shorthand for...

[LARED]

116. "gun rights" is shorthand for what?

Please tell.

[1a2b3c]

119. Hahaha

Dude you are too funny.

[LARED]

120. Funny?

Why not just answer the question?

I'm just wondering where your prejudices lay.

[LARED]

95. By repeating your

wishful thinking, are you trying to convince me or yourself?

[Name removed]

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[BullDozer]

99. anything other than more blah blah blah from you?

When David Duke approves publicly of what somebody says, that somebody is racist.

So a racist publicly agrees with what someone else says and that makes the someone else racist?


You didnt address the point and everything else you wrote is spin and an attempt at distraction.

Now if I could maybe pay Duke to publicly proclaim MrBenchly to be correct about anything, anything at all, you'd have to label yourself a racist. That is exactly what you are saying Bench.

When Dr. Dean made his misstatement about the Confederate flag, Democrats spoke right up to criticize him. And what Dean said was only insensitive; it wasn't overtly racist.

Who spoke up to criticize him? The Democrats who sought to gain from it that's who!

Funny how one person gets their statements called insensitive but someone else goes to a meeting and tells the racists at the meeting that he rejected their views and at a "Preparedness Expo went to the show's promoter and successfully urged him to order several racist organizations to remove their booths from the premises, that makes him a total absolute racist to you.

Do you have anything else to show nugensts "racism" other than stupid "insensitive" things that have come from his mouth? No, you don't, why is that? One would think that a real and true racist would provide cold hard actions that are clear examples of their racism. Instead of weak-ass attempts at spin that appeal to only the most hypersensitive.

[MrBenchley]

100. Nothing more is needed...

"When Dr. Dean made his misstatement about the Confederate flag, Democrats spoke right up to criticize him. And what Dean said was only insensitive; it wasn't overtly racist.
Who spoke up to criticize him? The Democrats who sought to gain from it that's who! "
Horseshit. There was outrage from Democrats everywhere.. And remember, that wasn't outrageously racist like the crap Nugent or Pratt have spouted...just insensitive.

"weak-ass attempts at spin"
What's weakass is your preposterous attempt to pretend Nugent and Pratt aren't racist pieces of shit...

[1a2b3c]

64. You better get used to the strawman arguments

if youre going to discuss guns with MrB

[LARED]

77. Yes, I noticed. Thanks

[Spoonman]

62. Total Horse Shit

So I guess everyone (to include the "gun nuts") is to blame for mad cow disease?

Disease is spread between animals regardless of the RKBA, and the spread of chronic wasting disease started by Elk farms importing stock from areas where it NATURALLY occured.
These farms are not for hunting, they are the same as any beef operation, only the meat they raise cost more.
Once again your lack of knowledge in the subject matter demostrates a visible attempt to blame anything on firearms ownership in an effort to support your argument.
This is the very thing that swings votes in individuals because they do not wish to be associated with such blatant (fill in the blanks!)

[MrBenchley]

66. Yup, your post was....

"These farms are not for hunting"
Yeah, surrrrrrrre...."Hunters from all over the United States pay Hall thousands of dollars to hunt for trophy bucks on his farm. The Department of Natural Resources first quarantined Hall's farm Sept. 19, 2002, after a 4 1/2-year-old deer tested positive for CWD."
http://www.wisinfo.com/journal/spjlocal/279171548079512.shtml

[Spoonman]

67. More Horse Shit

Go back, and read what I wrote AGAIN.
Only this time comprehend it.
I CLEARLY stated FARMS, not game ranches.
You demonstrate the very premise of my statement every time you reply with intentionally misrepresented arguments!

Hunter’s caused chronic wasting disease just like Freon depleted the ozone – keep believing the lies, “they” need people like you!

[MrBenchley]

69. Yup, your posts still are...

[Spoonman]

75. And yet another dodge when faced with facts

One day, you might have the wisdom to accept the fact that you can't build a house out of turds.

Too bad the racist pieces of anti-hunting shit will have to live more than one life to figure it out.

[CO Liberal]

78. Actually, You Can

The Masai people in Kenya do it all the time.

:-)

[Spoonman]

82. NOW THAT"S FUNNY!!!!!!

Thanks for the humour CO.
I needed it today!

[MrBenchley]

81. I'm not the one dredging in right wing cesspools

and pimping the same crap David Duke and the Aryan Nation peddle...that would be our RKBA crowd.

[Spoonman]

86. Your Right

Your pimping for the registered republican Sarah Brady!

[MrBenchley]

87. Could you get much more desperate, spoon?

[Spoonman]

88. Speaking the truth equals

desperation?

No that's hoplophobic logic for you!

[MrBenchley]

89. Desperation equals desperation...

Now see if you can't find something on Newsmax to back you up.

By the way, in 2002, Brady gave 100% of HCI donations to Democrats...

http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/contrib.asp?Ind=Q12&Cycle=2002

In 2000, 97% to Democrats...

http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/contrib.asp?Ind=Q12&Cycle=2000

[Spoonman]

91. Yea surrrre....

[MrBenchley]

93. Yup.

And for all the chest-thumping about what noble conservationists the hunters are, and how they are forced to hunt due to deer overpopulation, here the industry is farming deer on the sly for phony hunts...

...and diseased deer at that.

[BullDozer]

113. Money money

Gee the NRA supports Democrats nearly as much as HCI does. How sad for you Benchly.


$ to Democrats
HCI 2002 Donations $118,856
HCI 2000 Donations $391020
Total $509876

$ to republicans
NRA 2002 Donations $162231
NRA 2000 Donations $251195
Total $413426

[demsrule4life]

101. Hunters are great

http://www.ducks.org/media/magazine/stories/SportsmenandConservation.asp

[demsrule4life]

102. Hunters help, Mr B only talks

http://www.conservetn.com/Hunters%20for%20the%20Hungry/huntersforhungry.htm

[demsrule4life]

103. What do hunters do for conservation?

http://hunting.fws.gov/whatdo.html

[MrBenchley]

107. You mean besides farm disease-ridden deer?

[demsrule4life]

104. Hunters put up money, Mr B pays lip service

http://www.outdoorguidemagazine.com/morgue/backissues/hol2000issue8.htm

[demsrule4life]

105. If it wasent for hunters there wouldnt be much wild game left

in our country.

http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/sports/columnists/bob_hood/6502586.htm

[MrBenchley]

108. TOO frigging funny...

You trying to tell us it's the Audubon society out shooting all those ducks and geese?

[demsrule4life]

118. Isnt a hunter responsible for starting the national parks?

Just a month ago you thought hunters were all the shit because of some poll saying hunters dont agree with assault rifle ownership.

[MrBenchley]

109. Texas spends more than $150 million

on the Parks & Wildlife department and gets $3.5 million back from the hunters....<sarcasm>boy, there's a REAL bargain for a state with a health care crisis, an education crisis and some of the worst poverty in the nation.</sarcasm>

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/news/news/980831a.htm

[slackmaster]

110. Typical Benchley red herring

As if every penny of TPW's expenditures go to offset costs related to hunting.

:eyes:

MrB, did you even read the article you cited?

[MrBenchley]

111. Typical slack sniveling....

"I don't see anything at all wrong with the GOP's platform."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=20403&mesg_id=20484&page=

[slackmaster]

112. And ANOTHER red herring response from MrBenchley

Are you capable of staying on topic, MrB?

[MrBenchley]

114. Not worth discussing a topic with YOU, slack...

Somebody who screams "liar liar!" and then denies he ever did, all within 25 posts on one thread....

Tell us again how right wing loonies have a right to troll because someone disgarees with them in public....

[slackmaster]

115. Calling someone a liar violates the posting rules

I have never called anyone a liar on the DU forums.

Please prove me wrong by citing where I have, or retract your claim.

Tell us again how right wing loonies have a right to troll because someone disgarees with them in public....

That is another false statement, MrBenchley.

I never said anyone has a right to post anything here, and clearly everything that is allowed is at the pleasure of Skinner and the moderators.

[MrBenchley]

117. Unlike you, slack, I back up what I say...

"slackmaster
38. It's the Big Lie strategy"

"slackmaster
58. Nice try but it's still based on a major LIE"

"slackmaster
65. If I may be so bold as to speak for the entire "RKBA crowd"
We aren't saying they are lying."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=post&forum=118&topic_id=20875&mesg_id=20875


"slackmaster
83. Too TOO funny!
MrBenchley,
If not for extremist wacko views like yours there wouldn't be much reason for people like those HighRoaders to come trolling here."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=22570&mesg_id=22723&page=

Of course the "extremist wacko views" you're screeching about are those held by Ted Kennedy, Hillary Clinton, Molly Ivins, Carolyn McCarthy, Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, John Lewis, Richard Gephardt, etc. etc., and the views shared by you and the pinheads at highroadrage.com are the ones shared by Tom DeLay, Ted Nugent, Larry Pratt and Pat Buchanan

[slackmaster]

121. Argumentum ad hominem

Unable to address the facts I raise, you resort to personal attack - Your strategy is to suggest, rather ineptly, that since I have said things in the past that you disagree with that everything I say must be wrong.

[MrBenchley]

122. Too TOO funny....

"since I have said things in the past that you disagree with"
Gee, I don't disagree with these..... you'll say just about anything, no matter how desperate or contradictory, because you haven't got anything else....


"slackmaster
38. It's the Big Lie strategy"
"slackmaster
58. Nice try but it's still based on a major LIE"
"slackmaster
65. If I may be so bold as to speak for the entire "RKBA crowd"
We aren't saying they are lying."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=post&forum=118&topic_id=20875&mesg_id=20875

"slackmaster
83. Too TOO funny!
MrBenchley,
If not for extremist wacko views like yours there wouldn't be much reason for people like those HighRoaders to come trolling here."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=22570&mesg_id=22723&page=

Of course the "extremist wacko views" you're screeching about are those held by Ted Kennedy, Hillary Clinton, Molly Ivins, Carolyn McCarthy, Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, John Lewis, Richard Gephardt, etc. etc., and the views shared by you and the pinheads at highroadrage.com are the ones shared by Tom DeLay, Ted Nugent, Larry Pratt and Pat Buchanan.

[Spoonman]

124. Once again,

typical half truth cries for emotional response.

Your own article disproves the premise you so sadly attempt to demonstrate.

"an agency that generates 55 percent of its funding through hunting and fishing license sales, state park fees and other user fees"

You also forgot to mention the Pittman-Robertson Act.

"Funds are derived from an 11 percent Federal excise tax on sporting arms, ammunition, and archery equipment, and a 10 percent tax on handguns."

http://fa.r9.fws.gov/wr/fawr.html

Once again, tell them only half the story and hope they fall for it.

[MrBenchley]

125. Yes, spoon, that's why I posted a link to the entire article

<sarcasm>I was hoping no-one would click it, but you clearly saw through my little ruse.</sarcasm>

[demsrule4life]

106. Hunters pay the money and do the work

that anti hunting and antigun people only talk about doing.

http://www.nrahq.org/hunting/hunterdollars.asp

Yes from the NRA, but facts are facts.

[MrBenchley]

123. More on this....

"The tradition-steeped hunt for whitetail deer that opens Saturday in Wisconsin has a new twist — hunters and landowners in the southwestern part of the state can qualify for a $400 bounty by killing a deer infected with chronic wasting disease.
Baiting is even back in all but 23 counties after the practice was banned last year because of concerns it fuels the spread of the disease by bringing animals together.
Through Monday, the state had sold 475,058 licenses, nearly 35,000 more than at the same time a year ago but still 14 percent behind two years ago, said Marilyn Davis, the DNR's licensing administrator.
Heberlein said hunters are calmer this fall about the disease, in part because there is no evidence anyone has gotten sick from eating deer. But he predicts the numbers of licenses sold will not bounce back to the 2001 levels.
"A lot of hunters quit hunting, and many of those are not going back," he said."

http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/news/local/7304563.htm