"Concealed Carry Permits Fire up Debate Over Workplace Shootings"

[jhfenton]

A nice article on concealed carry in the workplace:

Concealed Carry Permits Fire up Debate Over Workplace Shootings.

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Retired Capt. John Sigler was a full-time certified law enforcement officer and police firearms training instructor in Dover, Del., for "many, many, many years." He agrees with Lott and Pratt.

"The answer is obvious in a case where you have someone who is already trained and knowledgeable, who has voluntarily taken responsibility for his safety or her safety, as the case may be, by being a permit holder," said Sigler, now second vice president of the National Rifle Association.

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Public and private research indicates that firearms are used to stop crimes between 250,000 (U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics) and 2.5 million (Florida State University criminology professor, Dr. Gary Kleck) times. Sigler says that statistical support, combined with the comparisons of various public shootings in which armed civilians either were or were not present, should convince employers to at least consider allowing employees who hold valid concealed weapons permits to carry their guns, out of sight, at work.

"Where the ability is there and the willingness is there," Sigler concluded, "it makes common sense to have concealed carry permit and prior law enforcement who want to arm themselves, to protect themselves and to protect the workplace, to be allowed to do so."

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[Superfly]

1. Allow me to repeat something...

for CO Liberal and his "cabal" (ha, ha, ha...it's just a joke.)

Public and private research indicates that firearms are used to stop crimes between 250,000 and 2.5 million times.

[Superfly]

2. Oh, yeah....one more thing FOR EVERYBODY

we know this is from CNS News. Can we skip with the entire arfument about the source? We did that yesterday, and I'm sure your opinions haven't changed.

Let's just DISCUSS THE ISSUES IN THE ARTICLE

[MrBenchley]

5. Too TOO funny

It's a pile of right wing shit meant to appeal to simple-minded freepers, but we're supposed to pretend otherwise? Hahahahahahaha....

[slackmaster]

6. MrBenchley hides behind a Genetic Fallacy

No attempt whatsoever to address the issues.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/genetic-fallacy.html

[MrBenchley]

7. Slack tries once again to pretend

right wing propaganda is actual news...

By the way, what does Nizkor have to say about this "gun rights" horsecrap?

"Sometime Klansman and neo-Nazi Louis R. Beam has been a leading advocate of anti-government sedition and various forms of "Aryan" violence for more than a quarter of a century.
In 1983, Beam told a crowd: "I'm here to tell you that if we can't have this country, as far as I'm concerned, no one gets it. The guns are cocked, the bullets are in the chamber. ... We're going to fight and live or we're going to die soon." His philosophical watchword, reported stated in a 1970s terror campaign against Vietnamese fisherman in Texas, is "Where ballots fail, bullets will prevail."
Beam recently attended a gun rights rally whose sponsoring group, according to the Spokane Spokesman-Review, includes militia members and sympathizers."

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/adl/paranoia-as-patriotism/louis-r-beam.html

[slackmaster]

8. See what I mean?

MrBenchley has taken SOMEONE ELSE'S position and attempted to portray it as representative of ALL people who support the right of individuals to keep and bear arms.

Big fat Straw Man with a hint of Guilt by Association; alternatively could be viewed as a Fallacy of Construction.

He's also tried to portray Nizkor's criticism of one person as a criticism of the gun rights movement, when in fact the Nizkor site has no editorial position on the RKBA itself.

Pretty pathetic, isn't it? But that kind of bogus "reasoning" seems to be MrBenchley's stock in trade. If you catch him in a factual error as I did in a thread that he started regarding the Pink Pistols' list of anti-gun organizations, he'll cling to any kind of absurd argument to avoid admitting his error, e.g. the Roman Catholic Church supports gay rights.

[MrBenchley]

9. Too too funny, slack...

"MrBenchley has taken SOMEONE ELSE'S position and attempted to portray it as representative of ALL people who support the right of individuals to keep and bear arms."
Actually, it's a pretty good portrait of the sort of people who publicly sport such extremist views. Are you telling us you don't believe in gun rights?

"He's also tried to portray Nizkor's criticism of one person as a criticism of the gun rights movement"
No, just pointing out what your own source had to say about gun rights and the sort of scum that hold rallies on the issue.

"Pretty pathetic, isn't it?"
Not nearly as pathetic as trying to post ignorant right wing propaganda from a crappy extremist source on a liberal progressive message board and then sniveling and crying when someone points out that it Is ignorant right wing propaganda from a crappy extremist source.

[MattPinNC]

3. The Old West

.. I get the sense we're heading BACK in time ... say 1800's, when everybody was packing heat..

Giddy-Up ..

[MrBenchley]

4. CNS News AGAIN?

Doesn't the RKBA crowd ever read anything sane people read?