Murder and a sheriff quotes burglar on what houses to rob

[jody]

"Gunman slays Elmore Co. man"

QUOTE
"Out of 400 burglaries we work, maybe one will be where someone is home," the sheriff said. "And when we arrest the person who did that one they always say something like 'Sheriff, I promise you I didn't know anybody was home.' Thieves don't want to hit occupied houses here because they know people in Elmore County have guns at home."
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[lkinsale]

2. Thanks for pointing out those details

n/t

[demsrule4life]

3. His mistake was going out to investigate

should of holdup in a room with his shot gun where he would have the advantage and let the cops investigate, that is what they are getting paid the big bucks to do.

[izzie]

4. Yes men, guns and ego. Would women be the same?

What is it with men and guns? It is like their heads grow when they have one. I hate it when they start showing them to you or just talking about them. It is like they think they are smart if they have a gun. Or manly which makes it even more awful.

[demsrule4life]

6. You are correct on the ego thing

To much male ego to go with guns. I used to teach beginning pistol lessons with women, most of them shoot better then men, no ego to get in the way.

[schnellfeuer]

7. Sounds normal to me

Hey, thats what boys do, dontcha know. Oh, wait, are you talking about a mans "weapons" or a mans "gun"? Seems like you post could go either way. :)

[demsrule4life]

8. Weapons :)

The other is for fun.

[jody]

5. For those who assert the victim would not have been killed if he

didn't have a gun, seventy law enforcement officers were killed in the line of duty in 2001. Would those officers still be alive if they were unarmed?

[MrBenchley]

9. For those interested in actual fact and not hooey...

Here's the actual LEAD to the story...

"TITUS -- A prominent Elmore County businessman was shot to death in his yard Tuesday night after being ambushed by a camouflage-clad, mask-wearing gunman in what sheriff's investigators are calling a home invasion robbery.
Ronnie Holman, 45, 1245 Providence Road, was pronounced dead at the scene after being shot several times in the head, chest and arm about 9 p.m. at his secluded country house, about 15 miles north of Wetumpka, Sheriff Bill Franklin said. Franklin would not say how many times Holman was shot. "


and a little bit further down....

""Ronnie got a 12-gauge shotgun, turned on the floodlights, and went outside to investigate. Kathy, his wife, stayed on the back porch. Ronnie saw someone stand up from behind a tree. He told Kathy 'Someone's out here, get inside.' She heard gunfire and saw Ronnie go down, and she ran inside the house." "

"seventy law enforcement officers were killed in the line of duty in 2001."
Wonder how many would have been saved if we could do a better job stopping the gun industry from putting guns in criminal hands?

[CO Liberal]

10. Make That A Camouflage-Clad, Mask-Wearing, Law-Abiding Gun Owner

Who was no longer law-abiding the minute he pulled the trigger.

[Withergyld]

11. I would hazard a guess

that the shooter was intent on breaking the law long before they pulled the trigger.

[CO Liberal]

12. But People Keep Telling Us.......

....that we have no reason to fear the law-abiding gun owner. I maintain that we never know when a law-abiding gun owner will cross over to being a criminal.

[Withergyld]

14. how about a different version of your quote

"but people keep telling us that we have no reason to fear the law-abiding citizen. I maintain that we never know when a law-abiding citizen will cross over to being a criminal."

[schnellfeuer]

16. You just never know

I maintain that we never know when a law-abiding gun owner will cross over

I maintain that we never know when a law-abiding "insert your favorite item of dislike here" owner will cross over. Will you ever know when anyone decides to go bad? How about you, are you exempt? Will you remain law abiding and will we be safe from you? Life is uncertain, what will we do?

[slackmaster]

13. Not quite

He was no longer law-abiding when he trespassed on another person's property with the intent to steal things. He was probably not law-abiding when he (presumably) unlawfully carried a loaded gun. I'd speculate that he became a criminal when decided (plotted, conspired) to do the crime.

[iverglas]

15. speculate all you like

"I'd speculate that he became a criminal when decided (plotted, conspired) to do the crime."

But PLANNING to commit a crime does NOT make someone a criminal.

If you're suggesting that this particular criminal "plotted" or "conspired" WITH SOMEONE ELSE to commit a crime (which would in itself be a crime, in my jurisdiction), you really do need to produce something to substantiate such wild speculation.

Me, I'll wildly speculate that at some point in his life, this individual was a law-abiding citizen. He may even have been a law-abiding gun owner at some point; it just all depends on whether he was already a criminal when he acquired his firearm, and how he acquired it, I guess.

[jody]

17. Why do you say the offender did not have a criminal record? eom

[jody]

18. In 2001, law enforcement officers used firearms to kill 368 criminals

and private citizens used firearms to kill 178 criminals, all justifiable homicide.
Table 2.16, “Crime in the United States, 2001”

[MrBenchley]

19. 178?

Out of a nation of nearly 300 million....

That's about the same as the odds criminals will be hit by lighting....

[demsrule4life]

20. You would be correct if we were a nation of

300 million criminals.