"Concealed carry law thwarts crime, keeps our homes and loved ones safe "

[jhfenton]

Concealed carry law thwarts crime, keeps our homes and loved ones safe

"Concealed carry law thwarts crime, keeps our homes and loved ones safe
By Donald Haubner

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Today, the gun control forces continue on a rather long and weary losing streak. The American people have awakened to the fact that the people who lead such groups have never seen a gun control law they didn't like.

They come at you with cast-iron statistics. Yet, with millions of licensed firearm permit holders nationwide, they cannot point to a single incident where a permit holder has ever been linked to the death of a law enforcement officer.

They cloak their hidden agenda of total disarmament by wrapping it around phrases that sound soft and cuddly like "sensible gun laws" and "gun safety" legislation.

Yet they start waffling when you try to nail them down to exactly what their definitions of sensible and safety really mean.

They begin by stating, "we don't want to ban handguns, just regulate them more and keep them out of the hands of children." Then faster than a Kentucky thoroughbred, they continue with their demands of licensing and registration of all firearms. Background checks, cooling-off periods, signature guns. It never ends."

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[jhfenton]

1. Now this is from the Kentucky Post,

the northern Kentucky edition of the Cincinnati Post, our local afternoon paper. I hope that doesn't offend anyone's delicate sensibilities as a source.

[demsrule4life]

3. Could be to redneck

Hell it has to be redneck since it approves of CCW. :)

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

2. So, Mr. Fenton:

As a politician, where do you stand on other issues? I found your website to be quite sparing in any information on your take on issues of the day, save one.

[MrBenchley]

6. You'll also notice

it doesn't say anywhere that he Is a Democrat....nor is there any mention there of the AFL-CIO...

On the other hand, it does amusingly try to pass Crazy Bill Buckley's Nazional Review off as a "nonpartisan" website...

[jhfenton]

8. "broad question"

Well, the News section of the website does deal mostly with local issues. At the local level, the issues are the budget, roads, city services, development, etc.

But I assume that's not what you're asking about? In terms of general principles, I'm a moderate, libertarian-leaning Democrat, very liberal on social issues, fiscally conservative, and somewhat fond of the "out-dated" concept of federalism. Did you have anything specific in mind?

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

11. Certainly...

You have positions on broader, Traditionally Democratic issues? Care to share them with us?

[jhfenton]

14. I'll answer any specific questions you have,

but I'm not going to waste my time blindly listing position after position hoping to meet your approval as a Democrat. I've already described my basic philosophy. If you want to know anything more than that, ask an answerable question.

[Guaranteed]

4. Ummm....yeah.

I just don't want people walking around on the streets with guns in their pockets. I don't care about the rest of it. But I think that's a very reasonable request. That's called COMMON SENSE.

On edit: "MARK IT ZERO!!"

[MrBenchley]

9. Notice that all of Kentucky's 4 million peaceful citizens

now have to worry about 80,000 armed neurotics....and that the "evidence" that all is well is that it's difficult to prove any of them killed a cop yet.

[slackmaster]

16. Amazing amount of wrongness crammed in one post

None of Kentucky's 4 million peaceful citizens HAVE to do anything, MrBenchley.

I have verified that you are not licensed to practice medicine in New Jersey. If you have something in your CV that qualifies you to diagnose people you have never met as "neurotics" please post it now. I doubt that you have such powers, but worrying about things that pose no risk to you and over which you have no control seems more indicative of neurosis than does getting a permit to carry a concealed weapon.

[iverglas]

20. I keep wondering

"the 'evidence' that all is well is that it's difficult to prove any of them killed a cop yet."

If we decriminalized murder, and the murder rate didn't quadruple in the first year, would this be "evidence" that murder should be legal?

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[MrBenchley]

5. BFD

So much horseshit in such a little space...

Donald Haubner of Covington is the founder and past president of Kentucky Coalition to Carry Concealed.

[demsrule4life]

7. Just wondering how you feel about

Donald Haubner?

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

10. I would like to see...

Some confirmation of Mr. Fenton's AFL-CIO endorsement. I went to the AFL-CIO Cincinnati Council website, but was unable to find any. I looked, too. I sent an email to the council's communications director, too. No answer, yet.

Don't get me wrong: This is not a personal attack. But such claims demand confirmation. Furthermore, Mr. Fenton has precious little on his site that tells me anything regarding his positions, save one.

Fact is, if one is a politician, one offers oneself up to a higher level of scrutiny. That is just the facts of life.

So, I am taking a look. Call me curious.

[jhfenton]

12. Try these links to the Cincinnati AFL-CIO website:

A direct link to the PDF:

http://www.cincinnatiaflcio.org/Political/endorsed.pdf

found on this page:

http://www.cincinnatiaflcio.org/Political/Endorsed.htm.

They've taken down the html endorsement page, but they still have the PDF up.

[MrBenchley]

22. How come they're not linked on YOUR webpage?

But the Nazional Review and "right to work" Cato Institute ARE?

[jhfenton]

15. SmartVoter.Org links:

2001 Council Race on SmartVoter:
http://www.smartvoter.org/2001/11/06/oh/hm/vote/fenton_j/

2003 Law Director Race on SmartVoter:
http://www.smartvoter.org/2003/11/04/oh/hm/vote/fenton_j/

The AFL-CIO endorsement came too late for me to list it on the SmartVoter website.

And please tell me why I should talk about abortion or any "traditional Democratic issues" in a local race? Norwood is a conservative community with a large Catholic population. Should I openly advertise that while in law school I was on the local PAC committee for NARAL-NC?

[jhfenton]

18. You're awfully quiet now.

When you make a veiled accusation, you should at least have the courtesy of acknowledging it when the accusation is refuted.

[demsrule4life]

19. Dont hold your breath

that never happens here. They just accuse you of something else.

[dofus]

13. Concealed carry thwarts crime?

"Yet, with millions of licensed firearm permit holders nationwide they cannot point to a single incident where a permit holder has ever been linked to the death of a law enforcement officer."

I'm just delighted that not a single law enforcement offvicer has ever been killed by someone with a license to carry, concealed or otherwise (it's not clear to me which is at issue here) but surely deaths of people not law enforcement officers also count? Just wondering.

[billbuckhead]

17. Then why don't Euro nations have vastly more crime than USA?

Could it be because all this "research" is B.S.?

[iverglas]

21. one for ya

"but surely deaths of people not law enforcement officers also count?"

This tale was offered up a couple of weeks ago as evidence of someone successfully defending himself against a violent home-invader type.

Turns out that what he was successfully defending himself against was a 16-yr-old from down the block, who, with his buddy, was engaged in an annoying game of "ring the neighbours' doorbell", and who was shot in the back as he was running away.

Now, the accountant who did the shooting was indeed not carrying his weapon concealed in public, but he did have a permit to do so in Florida.

And I'll tell ya, if this is how he behaves when he's at home, I wouldn't really want to be around when someone annoyed him in public.


http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/palmbeach/search/sfl-pdrewes08nov08,1,7775010.story

Emergency room reports show Drewes was shot in the back. Drewes was hit with a special .38-caliber bullet that disintegrates upon impact, Montgomery <the family's lawyer> has said.

For anyone following the case with as much interest as I have been, here's a list of articles:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/search/sofla_news_lib.jsp?page=1&Go!.y=9&Go!.x=10&Query=drewes

I'd been remiss in the past week in finding and posting updates:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-prankster-killed,1,4894953.story

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. -- A man accused of shooting to death a 16-year-old neighbor who was playing a late-night prank has been charged with manslaughter.

Jay Steven Levin, 40, of Boca Raton, was charged Thursday at the recommendation of the state attorney's office, said Diane Carhart, spokesman for the Palm Beach County Sheriff's office. He could be sentenced to probation or up to 30 years in prison if convicted in the death of Mark Drewes.

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Medical reports show the teen was shot in the back. Levin fired the shot from a Sig/sauer .40-caliber semiautomatic pistol, according to the affidavit.

The investigation, according to the charge, revealed that Drewes was unarmed, with "nothing in his hand but monofilament fishing line."

That fishing line had been used by Drewes and a friend as they played a teenage prank. That night, after celebrating his 16th birthday at home, Mark Drewes and a friend, 17-year-old Anatoly Martynenko, rang the doorbell at Levin's nearby home in a prank called ding-dong ditch. They had tied the fishing line to the front of Levin's door, but it came loose, and Drewes had gone back to retie it, according to the affidavit.

The death of their only child thrust Luciana and Gregory Drewes on a lurching journey marked by grief, anger and a need to escape their home and the streets that teem with children who, like Mark, ride their bikes and play with their remote-control cars.

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