Lawrence woman killed by random shot

[proud2BlibKansan]

This is so sad. This woman had been to a theater in the park with her daughter and her mother in law. They were driving home and she was struck by a bullet and died instantly.

They were on a busy highway that I travel several times a week. I used to work just a few blocks from where she was shot.

So so sad.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/1331932.html?mi_pluck_action=comment_submitted&qwxq=1367508#Comments_Container

[virgogal]

1. Sad. The gun idiots are all over the place.

[vadawg]

4. seems not so much gun idiots as you would say as criminals

seems there was some crime involving firearms going down in the area and she was an innocent victim, i doubt the dude who pulled the trigger cares about the gun laws or who gets hit.

[tularetom]

24. Ah the old "when guns are outlawed only outlaw will have guns" bumpersticker wisdom

Appears to me that whoever shot this woman was a 'gun idiot' as well as a 'criminal'.

And it also appears that you believe that being armed would have somehow saved her life.

Sometimes I'm embarrassed to admit I support the 2nd Amendment.

[Katya Mullethov]

39. I would imagine that would most likely be all of the time

Not just some of it .

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

68. Where did the poster say the woman being armed would have helped her in any way?

[PretzelWarrior]

59. typical gun ownership fetishist

this is the difference between knives/clubs/swords and guns. It's awfully hard to be killed as an innocent bystander 50 to 100 yards away from those other weapons, but stry bullets have traveled hundreds of miles and found an innocent victim.

THAT is why we should be seeking to reduce guns in this country.

[vadawg]

72. wow hundreds of miles wow, i guess next time i discharge my weapon

i better advise people in new york that there may be incoming rounds... what you really mean is we need to reduce the number of criminals having guns...

[Raineyb]

73. Considering what lousy shots so many cops are

it would be wise to at least warn people in a several block radius that it's not safe for them to mind their own business in their house as a stray bullet could be headed their way.

[vadawg]

74. i think you will find it dosent matter who we are talking about

but when there is incoming fire its not easy to control every shot, you try your hardest but sometimes you will fire and miss, and sometimes people do take a cops round by accident, but thats a lot different than the spray and pray method employed by the crips, bloods and every other street thug...

[proud2BlibKansan]

5. Yes they are

And the ones not breaking the law with their guns don't seem to see the big picture.

[DainBramaged]

7. THEY don't care as long as they have THEIR guns........

don't take away their right to defend themselves against the boogie man.......

[vadawg]

9. what right are you willing to give up just to make someone else happy

or is it just other people who have to conform to what you believe..

[sharesunited]

12. What right are you referring to? Mayhem is a political choice.

Gun and ammo proliferation are antithetical to public safety.

[vadawg]

16. what else do you think are antithetical to public safety

i got to say that in the last month i have seen more people injured and killed by deer than by guns, and thats eclipsed by injury and death by car, also more by knife or bladed weapon than guns, so how far do you want to go.

[geckosfeet]

29. I would like to see those stats. I have not heard about one death by deer

recently. Although I have to admit occasionally I hear of someone dying in a car accident involving a deer.

In the last 6 months alone the number of shooting deaths that I have heard of must number close to one hundred.

[DainBramaged]

32. If deer could shoot back, hunting would end

[geckosfeet]

34. I think humans would pass laws to make gun ownership by deer illegal.

[Katya Mullethov]

43. And that is the true nature of such dictates

To gain , and hold an advantage over the weaker . And it's just business . Even when it comes to killin your food .

[geckosfeet]

47. Cold blooded practicality. An admirable quality.

In a wild animal.

[Katya Mullethov]

61. I have known many

And would wager one set this whole thread off without even thinking .
They dont tend to do much of that unless it affects them personally .
Ad even then , not so much .

[DainBramaged]

54. Right, 99% of gun owners hunt to survive, you betcha

mmmmmmmmmm venison fresh from the kill, bet ya can't eat just one............. :eyes:

[Katya Mullethov]

62. Take it up with Gecko

AS far as hypothetical game law goes , at least .

[proud2BlibKansan]

20. Are we talking about making people happy or not killing people?

[baldguy]

25. You're willing to forfeit the right to a reasonable expection NOT TO GET SHOT BT A STRAY BULLET!

Your pop gun won't save you, but someone might steal it & kill me.

[backwoodsbob]

55. and someone may decide to run you over

is there a point?

[No_More_War]

14. A boogie man like a random guy shooting people?

It's not unDemocratic to appreciate the right to self-defense, I hope.
I'm not in favor of free guns for all but if only criminals can (will) carry guns, isn't the deck a little titled? In England, home invasion robberies have gone up a lot since the law-abiding gun owners were disarmed.
Please don't ban me. I'm new to politics and I really am trying to find my way. I'm only going from my heart here. Help me see straight if I'm misguided.

[proud2BlibKansan]

21. This wasn't a home invasion

If this woman was armed it wouldn't have made any difference.

[DainBramaged]

26. She could have been carrying 15 guns, she is still dead from gun violence

the gun lovers will never understand this.

[DainBramaged]

27. Oh well, I guess the pizza delivery man came early tonight....

Oh and that home invasion gem of yours, bullshit, and from 8 years ago, a typical Rethug talking point.

[petersjo02]

57. Is the deck a little "tilted" or "titled"? n/t

[slackmaster]

70. That's "bogeyman" or bogey man

Not "boogie man".



Now I've got it stuck in my head. You can too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPueR6rkkX4

[proteus_lives]

33. Not true.

Law-abiding gun owners just don't see how tragedies like this justify taking away the rights from millions of Americans.

People who never shoot off a weapon randomly because we know something like these could happen.

[proud2BlibKansan]

38. Still just don't get it

More legal gun owners means more guns. More guns means more random shots killing people like this.

There was a group of gun owners who moved into a house behind my school and they shot their guns on and off into the air for fun. Our kids couldn't go out to recess for months.

But millions of Americans are determined to keep that right to own guns.

[proteus_lives]

45. We are coming from different POVs.

There is nothing wrong with that.

"More legal gun owners means more guns." Yes.

"More guns means more random shots killing people like this" No. Given the number of weapons in the US it would be happening every 15 minutes. Whither they were criminals or simply irresponsible gun owners, whoever fired off the random shot does not represent the normal American gun owner. I have been around hundreds of gun owners my entire life, they represented the melting pot of America, different races, genders, backgrounds, classes, orientations and religions. Do you know what 99.9% of these gun owners had in common? Safety! They would never shoot randomly around them because they know it's stupid and dangerous.

"There was a group of gun owners who moved into a house behind my school and they shot their guns on and off into the air for fun. Our kids couldn't go out to recess for months."

They are representatives of the 0.1%. Did your school call the police? I believe you have options. But it's the same with car-owners, if some drunk killed some of your kids on the playground would you demand that everyone in your town surrender their driver's licenses?

"But millions of Americans are determined to keep that right to own guns."

The big picture for gun-owners is about more then the pistol in our dresser or the shotguns on our walls. It's about our rights, our freedoms and choice. To me (and a lot of other Democrats/liberals/progressives) the fight for the 2nd is no less important then the right for everyone to vote, the right for women to have reproductive choices, gays to marry or the freedom of speech.

[rwheeler31]

64. How many kids have to die for your old man rights?

[proteus_lives]

71. They aren't dying for my rights....

They are dying at the hands of criminals and the irresponsible.

Why aren't you talking about making cars or booze illegal? They kill way more people in America then guns.

Tragedies like this one don't justify the trampling of our rights anymore then 9/11 justified the patriot act and the eroding of our civil rights.

[MichiganVote]

2. My sister lives in Lawrence. Some real hot heads in that area.

[proud2BlibKansan]

3. She was shot in KC, not in Lawrence

[MichiganVote]

6. ? That I read in the article. Merely commenting.

[proud2BlibKansan]

8. The crime rate in Lawrence gone way up

I can remember when murders were rare in Lawrence.

[vadawg]

11. even more reason to be able to protect yourself from the thugs etc

nothing worse than responding to a call for help that you know is going to take you at least 20 mins to get to, wondering what you are going to find when you arrive, remember its better to be waiting in your bedroom on the phone with a 12 gauge pointed at the bedroom door than to be on the same phone hiding in a closet praying that i arrive soon.

[MichiganVote]

65. That's what she has been telling me. Worrisome.

[REP]

10. That was a seriously bad part of town the 33 years I lived there

From what I hear, it hasn't gotten any better.

Fun fact: the first murder at Swope Park was Col Swope.

[proud2BlibKansan]

15. I am in that part of town all the time

Never felt threatened at all.

[rwheeler31]

13. This is more sadness, people do not even think about

how violent they are. Dam gun sellers are everywhere.

[imdjh]

17. Anyone who would exploit this to oppose the second amendment ought to be ashamed.

Not saying that you were doing that, just talking about those other people.

[proud2BlibKansan]

19. I don't oppose the second amendment

I would just like to see fewer guns in my community.

[RandomThoughts]

18. I doubt the story and the printing of the story was random, if the story is true.

First off condolences and comfort to her family and friends.

But there is more to a story, their is also why the story is picked to be in the news.

I would guess the reason is that she was coming from the Starlight Theater, which currently is playing the show Anything Goes.

This is another message story or killing. Saw many of them last year, and a few this year, where a story of some innocent person killed is in the news to make a point of fear. Or a story is told about an event to do that. The shooting is pure evil and cowardice by those with no honor or courage, and if the telling of the story, or reason for it happening had some motive or no motive, it is just as evil.

However it might not have been the killing that was intended as a message, but the choice to publicise it on news, or possibly distort elements of the story.

Many times the story picked to be on the news is picked for other reasons.

http://www.neahin.org/programs/schoolsafety/gunsafety/statistics.htm
Every day, more than 80 Americans die from gun violence.

What made this story more or less news worthy?

[proud2BlibKansan]

23. It was a random shot; that's why

Driving down the street and a bullet took her life. Pretty sad if you ask me.

[DainBramaged]

28. So you think the media is publishing these stories to scare gun owners (or innocent people)?

to make them take away your guns? your logic is so totally flawed it's almost like you are in a parallel universe.

[proud2BlibKansan]

35. Turns out she was an attorney for the state dept of ed

http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/1332373.html

[DainBramaged]

36. That's OK, the gun huggers will blame the shoota (and her for being close to their territory)

[RandomThoughts]

37. No, I do not know if story events are accurate, from that I make the comment.

So I said either the event or its choice to be reported, or distortions of the reporting have a purpose. That purpose is a really long story, and if you are not following the patterns you don't see where it matches up to other things that occur.

In that it creates a message, but only to some people.

It is not about gun ownership in my view.

My logic is not flawed, because I did not make a complete statement of a logical argument for all comments in the entire post, that would take far more then a post. The only logic I made was it was something other then normal because it was reported yet 79 other similar events were not reported on. Logically that makes it different.

Not sure about what parallel universe comment relates to.

Same thing could be said about recent terrible Florida event, or recent train crashes, their are patterns to them that show something more then individual tragedies.

[DainBramaged]

41. People taking acid see patterns too

(This is going to be good.)


So, you think there is a hidden agenda in these stories, the real deaths notwithstanding?

[RandomThoughts]

44. I don't take acid, so I would not know about that. Nor do I think taking acid is a good thing

I do not fault you for thinking about it different, nor do I claim to know of what you call hidden agenda. But their is a pattern that puts it out of normal.

You don't have to understand it or believe it.

[DainBramaged]

49. If you would just explain these patterns maybe we'd understand.

[RandomThoughts]

67. It would lead to you being brain damaged if I did :)

Just a joke, seriously, their is nothing to explain, it is a sad event, and like many things that happen it shouldn't happen, but sometimes bad things happen. The patterns are just that, patterns.


Imagine a river, any drop of water will go from the beginning to the ocean, every ripple over a rock every twirl or rapid would seem different to the drop of water. But if you sit by the river and watch any one point you see that many drops have the same patterns as they ripple over or around rocks, patterns oblivious to any single drop.

Its a forest not a tree thing, everything seems connected, and some things are really wonderful, and sadly their are still some bad things that happen.

[geckosfeet]

30. So what you are saying is that we hear about one in eighty shooting deaths.

[RandomThoughts]

40. I am saying that their are correlations in that story to other events.

And that story was picked to be on the news. And in the article the correlations to other events are mentioned.

[geckosfeet]

50. Mmmm. Correlations. Curious.

How about the event where a criminal got a gun off the street to do his dirty work. Is there correlation between the woman's death and that event?

[BuelahWitch]

22. OMG her poor daughter!

:cry: Terrible to witness your mother's death at all, but only 13!

[geckosfeet]

31. Bet she will grow up to be gun hugger.

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[DainBramaged]

46. Bigot much?

[vadawg]

51. bigoted towards the corner hustlers and thugs who actually shoot of their guns

killing innocent people, is it just the guns you hate or do you think the thugs who use them to commit crimes are worthy of your hatred too.

[Katya Mullethov]

58. Nope

They hate me . You too probably . Self determine much ?

[vadawg]

60. no you missed the point, i was asking the other poster if they hated guns more than the animals who

target teh communities and kill people randomly in their crossfires. personally the gun is just an object that the thugs use and when they dont have the guns they use knifes or machetes or any other weapon at hand, so i hate the players not the tools they use.

[Katya Mullethov]

63. I get that a lot

You will have to think about what I said . As far as some people espousing their hatred of firearms . It goes much deeper than that .

And hey ...let's be careful out there .

[geckosfeet]

52. Or perhaps just people who insist guns are all fun and good.

[DainBramaged]

53. Yup just like the churches and car dealers giving guns away like color TeeVees

All fun and games until somebody shoots their eye out. Oh wait, don't step on their rights.

[rwheeler31]

48. The gun dealers think they are still in charge.

[DainBramaged]

56. Crimes committed with firearms, 2006

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/tables/guncrimetab.htm


2006, 388,897 total firearms crimes. There are 525 948 minutes in a year. Which means that somewhere in the US, every minute and a half there is a REPORTED gun crime.


That's WRONG. And that means 388,897 INDIVIDUAL guns were used in the commission of these crimes.

What was that about 15 minutes?

[Wednesdays]

66. K&R

:kick:

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

69. Thoughts and prayers to the family of the victim.

I hope they catch and prosecute the criminal responsible to the fullest extent of the law.

David