Idiotic AshKKKroft Policy Changed

[MrBenchley]

Score one for the good guys against this racist imbecile and the corrupt gun industry....too bad terrorists might have bought arms because NRA life member AshKKKroft is an imbecile. More is clearly needed..including removing this corrupt appointistration.

"WASHINGTON - The FBI is changing its background check system for gun purchasers to ensure people on terrorism watch lists are scrutinized more carefully before firearm purchases are approved.
A memo to FBI Director Robert Mueller from a senior Justice Department official, obtained Friday by The Associated Press, details the policy and also says there have been 14 confirmed matches of gun buyers whose names were on the FBI terror watch list, including one would-be buyer who tried twice.
Another 260 possible matches could not be confirmed, the memo said.
The Justice Department revisions do not address the concern by some in law enforcement for an even greater sharing of information when people on terror watch lists attempt to buy weapons. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031122/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/terrorists_guns_1

[hansberrym]

1. Why don't they just arrest terrorists?

From the link:
"If a terrorist tries to buy, or does buy, a weapon, law enforcement and the FBI must be notified immediately," Lautenberg said earlier this week. "If we don't pass this measure before Congress adjourns, we will unnecessarily expose our constituents to danger."

Doesn't leaving terrorists free to roam NJ and the rest of the country also expose Lautenberg's constituents to danger?

[RC]

2. You don't understand. This isn't really a war on terror.

This is a war for power, money and control of the worlds power and money for the few who are running the war on terror.

[hansberrym]

6. I get it, and I'm glad you do too.

The question was rhetorical.

If there really are "terrorists" walking among us and the authorities know them by name, it should be possible to arrest and deport those persons if they are not citizens. If they are citizens and there is reason to believe that they are aiding/abetting terrorists, then they should be investigated and watched as closely as the laws allow.

I agree with you that some politicians are using the actual terrorist threat, which is real, to push other agendas and as a power (and gun) grab.

[MrBenchley]

4. Gee, ask our "patriotic" gun dealers...

They could make a citizens arrest...but never do..

Or did you think that there's enough FBI agents to put one at every gun dealer every moment?

[hansberrym]

7. Why would you need a an FBI agent at every gun dealer?

Once the attempt was made at illegally purchasing a weapon, the information is available to law enforcement. The appropriate law enforcement agency could follow-up by getting an arrest warrant based on the attempted purchase.

Why risk a citizen's arrest when the reason for the denial might be
a problem with the background check system. Besides, I don't think citizens arrests are appopriate unless there is some actual/immediate danger to life or property such as in the case of a fugitive, or when witnessing a violent crime, or a theft.

[BullDozer]

8. Is that so?

You claim that They could make a citizens arrest

Exactly what crime has the person trying to purchase a firearm commited when the voice on the phone from the NICS center says "denied"?

You'd better be accurate here because your ass is in a sling if you make a citizens arrest without proper cause and the dealer would be out of business in no time from having to defend themselves against lawsuits, but that is after all your ultimate goal to put everyone in a gun related industry out of business so you'd be happy to see it happen.

[MrBenchley]

9. Hahahahahahahaha!!

"Exactly what crime has the person trying to purchase a firearm commited when the voice on the phone from the NICS center says "denied"? "
Ask Hansberry...he seems to think that they should be arrested immediately. Meanwhile, it's about goddamn time that AshKKKroft started checking to see if they bought guns.

From the article:

"until the new directive was issued, the personnel who operate the National Instant Criminal Background Check System had no way of knowing that a buyer was on the watch list. "

For that matter...weren't the dishonest shitheels at the NRA always screaming that Janet Reno had failed to arrest those people who failed a background check and so the Brady Law didn't work?

Answer: They sure as hell were.

[hansberrym]

10. Is your dial stuck on spin cycle?

[MrBenchley]

12. Gee, hans...

I'm not the one trying to spin away this story...that would be the RKBA crowd.

[hansberrym]

13. Whoops - there's another word added to the list.

If you keep this up we will need a decoder ring to figure out what you're talking about. When you use a word from Column A, the corresponding word in Column B actually applies 99% of the time.


Column A Column B
Collective - Individual
Revisionist - initial/contemporaneous commentary
the state - the people
truth - lies
debunking - supporting
Spin - accurate representation

[BullDozer]

11. Dream on spinman

Exactly what crime has the person trying to purchase a firearm commited when the voice on the phone from the NICS center says "denied"?
Try answering the question for once instead of spinning off into strawman land.

Ask Hansberry...
I asked YOU

Janet Reno had failed to arrest those people who failed a background check and so the Brady Law didn't work?

It's totally different there. The FBI KNOWS why the person failed the check,the dealer doesn't, the FBI has access to that information, the dealer doesn't, and from the information on the 4473 the FBI also has a physical description and an address to work from.

[LARED]

3. In the interest of accuracy

Wasn't the background check implemented in 1998 or 1999? If that is true, isn't Ashcroft improving the policy with this change.

Mind you, I not interested in defending Ashcroft, but as far as I can tell he's improving a Clinton Administration policy, not changing his.

[MrBenchley]

5. Hahahahahaha...

That's so cute...that you would pretend that AshKKKroft was improving anything...