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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 11:17 AM Original message |
NC Supreme Court finds prohibition on (some) felons possessing firearms unconstitutional. |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
1. The wrong direction and another missed opportunity to reduce the problem of proliferation. |
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Treo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I don't get it |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Welcome to DU. Good point (n/t) |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 12:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Welcome to DU. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. and as noted many of these restrictions stem from broad anti-domestic violence bills |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 12:58 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. The idea here is he belongs to a perfectly defined category for exclusion |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 01:10 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. No the idea is that when restricting rights the govt should use scrict scrutiny. |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 02:38 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Nice concise analysis! Thanks! I do think you're working too hard for |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 02:52 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. However that is not how our legal system works. |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 03:38 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. I think the most expedient route is a leading case which holds that |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 03:55 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. I think that's been tried already. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 03:56 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. While I obviously disagree strongly with that logic, it would change things. |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 04:09 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Another promising route is the denial of due process to victims of gun violence. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 04:19 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. The Police have absolutely no duty to protect. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 04:57 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. Self-defense as denial of due process? *snort* |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. A man with a crowbar tries to pry open the back door of a house assuming no one is home. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 05:40 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Bad shoot. Homeowner goes to jail or gets sued into penury. nt |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 05:49 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Ah, there's the rub. Since the standard is the homeowner's subjective perception, no bad shoots! |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 05:57 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. You really should read about Castle Doctine because it does no such thing. |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:19 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. Beyond a reasonable doubt as opposed to preponderance of the evidence. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:27 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. No such law exists. |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 12:18 AM Response to Reply #43 |
69. In addition to Statistical's points... |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 09:38 PM Response to Reply #36 |
60. Simple solution- don't fucking break into other people's houses, steal their cars, or rob them |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 10:17 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Yes, of course. Are you ready to have the penal code expressly state death penalty for such? |
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Treo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 08:22 AM Response to Reply #63 |
71. It's not my fault |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 10:39 PM Response to Reply #36 |
66. The homeowner doesn't make that call. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:00 PM Response to Reply #29 |
38. *ahem* |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:01 PM Response to Reply #29 |
39. Of course, the homeowner would be in jail for manslaughter at a minimum. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. sidestepping the role of the police |
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raimius (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 05:38 PM Response to Reply #21 |
32. Nice try |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 03:57 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. So in your book, would it be constitutionally kosher to outlaw the manufacture and sale... |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. You must concede there's a difference. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 04:21 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. A life without guns and ammo would require the repeal of the 2nd. |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 05:36 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. No different than saying the 1st doesn't protect tobacco advertising and child porn. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 05:48 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. No it would be more like saying no form of commercial speech is protected. |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:05 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. If you were correct, no ATF license would be needed to manufacture, distribute or sell. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:46 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. A license is required because the court have agreed that it falls within strict scrutiny. |
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57_TomCat (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 01:39 PM Response to Reply #41 |
75. Just a small correction... |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 10:25 PM Response to Reply #31 |
64. Dumbest thing you have said so far. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:03 PM Response to Reply #23 |
40. And there is a difference between child porn and pornography, your point is asinine. |
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Treo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 07:03 PM Response to Reply #23 |
50. You mean Like The National Life W/out Guns And Ammo That The German Jews Enjoyed? |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 09:40 PM Response to Reply #23 |
62. Don't commit crimes, don't meet armed citizens defending their stuff and themselves. |
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Treo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 04:22 PM Response to Reply #15 |
27. Why Do You Hate Guns So Much? |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 05:47 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. Hi Treo! Did you join DU just to jump in this? That would be cool. |
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raimius (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:09 PM Response to Reply #34 |
42. I think you are confusing legal an illegal use. |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:31 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. I agree that the object is not causing the crime. But access enables misuse. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:47 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. That is why guns are not available "over the counter" and their sales are restricted. |
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Treo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 07:05 PM Response to Reply #45 |
52. Well Yeah |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 10:04 AM Response to Reply #52 |
85. You might want to ask... |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 12:26 AM Response to Reply #45 |
70. Who is "we"? |
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Treo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:57 PM Response to Reply #34 |
48. Why I Joined DU |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. A Libertarian looks at a Virginia Tech shooting and says Arm Everybody? |
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Treo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 07:11 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Excellent Point |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 08:19 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. It's the "guns as solution to guns" trap Treo. Roll it back to the perp's access to HIS guns. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 08:34 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Ignorant codswallop |
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Treo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 08:37 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. What Does That Mean In English? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 03:00 PM Response to Reply #59 |
78. it's always nice to see novel notions |
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Treo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 05:16 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Cite |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 11:29 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. whoa, what an amateur |
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Treo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 12:53 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Ok I'm An Amateur |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 07:43 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. ah yes |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 11:56 AM Response to Reply #79 |
86. Oh Christ, not that steaming pile of ahistorical garbage? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 10:32 AM Response to Reply #48 |
73. hahahahaha |
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Treo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Amusing |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 10:29 AM Response to Reply #9 |
72. no, the idea is neither of those things |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 03:56 PM Response to Reply #8 |
19. He belongs to a category of people who have no history of violence. nt |
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raimius (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #8 |
22. I think this is the reason: |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 10:38 PM Response to Reply #22 |
65. He poses at least the same level of threat as anyone who possesses a gun does. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 11:48 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Bookmark this. |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 12:05 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. A felony conviction is the grounds. It was an easy call and they blew it. |
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tortoise1956 (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 08:54 PM Response to Reply #68 |
80. You are missing one point... |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 09:56 AM Response to Reply #2 |
84. Glad to have you here! Some other notes on 2A rights restoration... |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 12:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. How are we supposed to |
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virginia mountainman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 02:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. You need help reading..You are seeing things that are not their. |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 03:44 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. MM proliferation has a basic meaning in my mind. More guns and more people possessing guns. |
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Treo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 07:01 PM Response to Reply #16 |
49. You Give The Courts Enough Golden Opportunities To Exclude |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 09:39 PM Response to Reply #1 |
61. You can't stop the proliferation of criminals without forced sterilizations. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
6. It is unconstitutional. |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
10. Sounds like a reasonable ruling to me |
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Israfel4 (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
12. I don't see any problem. n/t |
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raimius (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
24. Seems reasonable |
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LAGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
54. Good for North Carolina. |
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nccomms (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
55. So now what? |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 08:06 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. The court left guidelines for the NC legislature. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 02:53 PM Response to Reply #56 |
77. the law is constitutional |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 02:49 PM Response to Reply #55 |
76. "It seems what is unconstitutional for one is for all." |
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