GUNS IN THE NEWS--November 26, 2003

[MrBenchley]

As CO Liberal sez:
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[MrBenchley]

1. Teen Arrested for Muni Shooting (CA)

"San Francisco police arrested a 16-year-old boy Tuesday for allegedly shooting into a Muni bus.
Police said they also found a gun that they believe was used Monday's incident.
The gunfire comes on the heels of another after-school Muni shooting. One teenager died in that incident, and another was arrested. Police do not believe the incidents are linked. However, police said they would meet with school district officials Tuesday to discuss safety concerns on and off campus."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/kpix/20031126/lo_kpix/8466

[demsrule4life]

41. Agency, AG Defend Handgun Law

"In a perfect world, no one would need to carry a concealed handgun. However, taken to its logical extreme, a constitutional ban on concealed handguns would strip from law-abiding citizens -- possibly, even police -- the right to carry handguns for proper purposes. Handguns would then be solely in the possession of the criminals," DPS and the attorney general told the court.

This is what you call a common sense statement.

http://santafenewmexican.com/main.asp?SectionID=2&SubSectionID=7&ArticleID=36180

[MrBenchley]

2. Bristol School Lock Down Is Over (PA)

"Officials at the William Snyder-John Girotti Elementary School in Bristol Borough have released students who had been under a lock down after a shooting near the school.
Police say the shooter is still at large.
Police were on the scene after an incident at 2:45 p.m. near the school where gunshots were exchanged between officers and a suspect."

http://www.nbc10.com/news/2664354/detail.html

[papau]

3. A nice pro-gun for safety story today - first in some years - Doctor in AK

offers ride to "stalled" car fellow while driving van with wife. Van has hand gun hidden.

Fellow picked up is murderer - refuses to let them go at 2 pit stops over 4 hours.

At 2nd pit stop murderer gets out also, allowing doctor to enter van and pick up gun as he gets back to driving.

At the third pit stop Doctor gives up on non-violent ending, and as he - and murderer - get out the doctors aims gun at murderer and starts shooting - and gets lucky

The murderer's gun's firing pin does not work - doctor hits him with multiple shots -but no major wounds.

Murderer gets away but doctor able to call 911 and cops catch him.

Granted it was more luck than normal - it is still a nice result - and I always say a gun is useless for safety - glad I was wrong in this case.

:-)

[MrBenchley]

5. How many times we going to post this story?

This makes three days in a row. And of course it's worth mentioning that if the murderer hadn't got a gun in the first place.....

[papau]

6. Sorry - just saw it on the Today Show - I thought it was news!

Seems I am behind on my gun news!

In anycase, it is so rare that a gun actually was needed and was then used - with success - that I was impressed!

I also liked the Doctor not going to the gun from the start - hoping for a non-violent ending.

:-)

[Spoonman]

7. And of course it's worth mentioning

that if the murderer were in jail on death row, he would never have been able to commit this crime!
And let's not forget to mention that if the mere idea of the death penalty was so horrifying to the murderer he might never have committed ANY crime!

[MrBenchley]

8. Gee, spoon...

Good thing there's no background checks at gun shows in that part fof the world...

"if the mere idea of the death penalty was so horrifying to the murderer he might never have committed ANY crime!"
Or else he might have said "what more can they do to me" and killed even more people...

[Spoonman]

11. Surrrrrre.......

"and killed even more people"

Yea, the mere thought might turn people into mass murderers.

Pathetic

[MrBenchley]

4. Isle deer hunter facing charges in accidental shooting case (MN)

Another conservationist in action...

"A 42-year-old Isle man was charged with reckless discharge of a firearm after unintentionally shooting a 43-year-old Wahkon man while the two were deer hunting.
The shooting happened about 5 p.m. on the last day of the deer hunting season in a wooded area on private land in Idun Township in southern Aitkin County.
The victim, Richard Schwinn, was shot in the hip with a .30-06 rifle brandished by Robert Jordan, who apparently thought Schwinn was a deer, Aitkin County Sheriff Dennis Landborg said Tuesday. Landborg said Schwinn was wearing a blaze orange jacket and camouflage pants with blaze orange ribbons on them."

http://www.brainerddispatch.com/stories/112503/new_1125030005.shtml

Yeah, them wily deer often dress in blaze orange...

[Spoonman]

9. Perfect example of

the anti crowd parading the misfortune of another, in a pathetic attempt to gain support.
Thank heavens the rest of us understand in was an ACCIDENT, albeit an accident caused by stupidity, but still an accident.

[MrBenchley]

10. Too too funny.....

This sudden concern for human life might be a lot more convincing if you weren't screaming for the death penalty in another thread.

[Spoonman]

13. Try to search deep in your brain

to find the blatant difference between innocent and criminal, and IF you somehow manage to accomplish this, you might understand.

I somehow doubt you can accomplish this given the clearly demonstrated joy of posting articles were an INNOCENT person was injured in an ACCIDENT!

[MrBenchley]

15. I'd rather search the threads here

to show what RKBA hypocrisy is.....

"2. Hey spoon
You tell us....
"How on earth can anyone revel in the shooting of a 13 year boy?"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=10507#10679

"slackmaster (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-18-03 06:34 PM
Response to Original message
9. He tried to shoot himself and missed?
Poor kid can't get anything right." "

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=10520

[Spoonman]

19. Pathetic, and expected

Do you expect ANYONE with half a brain to believe the horseshit you just posted!?

"2. Hey spoon
You tell us....
"How on earth can anyone revel in the shooting of a 13 year boy?"

This was my statement, once again asking YOU how you can achieve so much joy from the accident you posted.

By the way, when you went up to GD and posted a cry for support after I questioned your morals, you got your head handed to you on a platter by a bunch of REAL Democrats!

"slackmaster (1000+ posts) Thu Sep-18-03 06:34 PM
Response to Original message
9. He tried to shoot himself and missed?
Poor kid can't get anything right."

Perfect example of typical misrepresentation (LYING)!
You and anyone else capable of tying a shoe lace knows Slacks statement was meant to be humorous!

How many times do you plan to knowingly misrepresent Slack's jest?
I think this is probably the 6th or 7th time already! Sad

Your posting of it is a vain attempt to make a point, clearly demonstrates the truly desperate and failing ability to prove your position.

It fits the classic definition of trolling!

“The most important indicator of a poster's Contrarian Troll status is his constant use of subtle and not-so-subtle insults, a technique intended to make people angry. Contrarians will resist the urge to be insulting at first, but as their post count increases, they become more and more abusive of those with whom they disagree. Most often they initiate the insults in the course of what has been a civil, if heated, debate to that point.”

“When cornered they are quick to resort to personal attacks. A philotroll's bag of rhetorical tricks includes a variety of transparent ploys, such as willfully misinterpreting the opponent's words, committing Straw Man fallacies, accusing his or her opponents of engaging in the very tactics used by the philotroll, and so forth.”

http://www.philelmore.com/profiling/fieldguidetotrolls.htm

[MrBenchley]

23. Yes, spoon, this new tack Is pathetic...

"You and anyone else capable of tying a shoe lace knows Slacks statement was meant to be humorous!"
Gee, so jokes about tragedy are okay, but seriously pointing out the terrible toll in human life the corrupt gun industry takes every day is not.

<sarcasm>Boy, shows a lot of regard for the "human cost," spoon.</sarcasm>

"By the way, when you went up to GD and posted a cry for support after I questioned your morals, you got your head handed to you on a platter by a bunch of REAL Democrats!"
Are you talking about the thread a few months ago about the inbred asswipe who shot out his eye with a frog? Show us this one, spoon. As I recall you got precisely one supporter and I got a whole bunch of them.

"How many times do you plan to knowingly misrepresent Slack's jest?"
Jeeze, spoon...I'm not misrepresenting a damn thing. I'm just posting it, along with a link so people can see it in context, and letting it speak for its ugly self.

[Spoonman]

27. Try again

on ALL points, only be honest this time!

[MrBenchley]

29. Don't need to

since I'm not the one who's been dishonest here in any way...

[Spoonman]

30. Yea surrrrrre.....

and pigs fly!

[slackmaster]

31. And the Roman Catholic Church

Supports gay rights!

:evilgrin:

[iverglas]

64. well, duh

Perfect example of typical misrepresentation (LYING)!
You and anyone else capable of tying a shoe lace knows
Slacks statement was meant to be humorous!

How many times do you plan to knowingly misrepresent Slack's jest?
I think this is probably the 6th or 7th time already! Sad


What exactly did you THINK Benchley's point was???

He is citing it as an example of something MEANT TO BE HUMOROUS. That IS the point. It was a joke at the expense of a child depressed and desperate enough to try to kill himself.

If Benchley represents a joke at the expense of a child depressed and desperate enough to try to kill himself as a joke at the expense of a child depressed and desperate enough to try to kill himself, I'm failing to see the misrepresentation. Perhaps you can explain it a little better.

Benchley finds the joke disgusting. That's a matter of personal taste -- but NOT a MISREPRESENTATION. You appear to need a dictionary.

And speaking of words and all -- I'm confused.

Exactly why is a post in which a poster calls what is said by another poster "LYING!" still sitting on this board?

Especially when it's a lie ...

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[beevul]

14. Well I'm not "screaming for the death penalty"

And I agree with spoonman.

Convinced?

Preparing myself for excuse.....dodge.........demonizing......guilt by association.......accusations of racism.......personal attack.......accusation of being a freeper......rinse..repeat.......(I think that covers them all)


Ok, I'm ready.

[MrBenchley]

17. So what?

"Convinced?"
Not hardly.

[Spoonman]

20. So what?

My 10 year old uses that one too.

[MrBenchley]

24. I'll bet a lot of people use that one around you

[MrBenchley]

25. Teen charged with fatal shooting in Hartford

HARTFORD, Conn. -- Police have charged a Wethersfield teenager with shooting a 26-year-old man to death, allegedly during a gunfight over drug turf.
The 15-year-old boy, whose name was not released because of juvenile justice laws, was arrested at his home Friday night. He was charged with murder, criminal use of a firearm and carrying a pistol without a permit, Hartford police spokesman Nancy Mulroy told The Herald of New Britain.
He was charged in the Nov. 15 killing of Michael Zackowski, who was shot in the back in front of a Farmington Avenue store in Hartford. Police recovered the gun, which they would not describe.

http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/local/state/hc-25014009.apds.m0110.bc-ct--hartnov25,0,835826.story?coll=hc-headlines-local-wire

[Spoonman]

28. Only those with extreemly low IQ's

[MrBenchley]

32. No comment

other than to mention how extremely funny your post is, given its content.

[Spoonman]

39. At least mine have

content, not rubbish!

[MrBenchley]

44. Not even close to true....

but it's very funny to see the claim...

[Spoonman]

47. No more funny

than any of yours!
And mine are based on fact, unlike the anti crowd!

[MrBenchley]

57. On the contrary...

Yours are extremely hilarious...

[demsrule4life]

22. Apples and oranges thing

Average daily fatility rate in the U.S of people legally driving automobiles is a litte over 100. Could you see what the outcry would be if 100 people a day died in gun accidents. Speaking about the death penalty you must support it since you did post the story yesterday about the sniper asshole receiving it.

[MrBenchley]

33. Really, dems?

Perhaps you'd like to copy and paste my comment in favor of the death penalty....I'll wait right here.

[demsrule4life]

35. And while you are waiting

how much money are you willing to putup on the bet that you can't pull a trigger 30 times in two seconds?

[MrBenchley]

36. Been there, done that, dems

Guess this means your claim was the hooey we knew it was.

[demsrule4life]

37. Never said you commented, said you posted

MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-25-03 04:11 PM
Response to Original message

11. Jury recommends death for man convicted in Waffle House murders (FL)



My bad. Since you dont want to bet on pulling a trigger thirty times in two seconds you admit that the VPC and Brady bunch is lying like usual.

[MrBenchley]

38. Gee, now show me where

I said anything in favor of the death penalty. I'll wait right here, laughing at this transparent bit of dishonesty on your parrt.

"ince you dont want to bet on pulling a trigger thirty times in two seconds you admit that the VPC and Brady bunch is lying like usual. "
Not even close to true, dems...but I see you are STILL resolutely pretending that those auto conversion kits for assault weapons don't exist...

[demsrule4life]

40. And you are still pretending that the AWB

has anything to do with auto conversion kits.

[MrBenchley]

42. Who are you trying to kid, dems?

The assault weapons ban has nothing to do with keeping people from using auto conversion kits to convert assault weapons to full auto?

Surrrrrrrre....

[Deaner1971]

16. Yes, but

it is pretty funny from the deer's point-of-view.

[MrBenchley]

18. Notice that

none of the outrage and condemnation is reserved for the idiot who shot at someone wearing blaze orange....and all of it reserved for anyone who notices what a reckless idiot this "conservationist" is....

[Spoonman]

21. Notice that

the only person here demonstrating joy at the story of an innocent man being shot, is part of the anti crowd.

[MrBenchley]

12. Man Wanted For Allegedly Shooting Four People (MD)

"BALTIMORE -- Police seek the public's help to find a man who they claim shot four people in downtown Baltimore.
Kenneth Thomas, 30, is wanted for allegedly shooting four people outside the Downtown Southern Blues Cafe located in the 800 block of North Howard Street on Oct. 13, according to Baltimore City police detective Donny Moses."

http://www.thewbalchannel.com/news/2664197/detail.html

[MrBenchley]

26. Police: Man Shot In Head In Apparent Hunting Accident (MO)

"Police are investigating after an 18-year-old man was shot in the head by his cousin Tuesday evening.
The incident happened at 7:25 p.m. in the 200 block of Saint Bernard Street, according to police.
Police said the vicitm's 20-year-old cousin shot the victim with a .22-caliber rifle in an apparent hunting accident. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20031126/lo_kmbc/1894400

Another family made safer by guns...

[MrBenchley]

34. 7-Year-Old Girl Injured In Shooting At Motel

"A 7-year-old was hurt during a shooting at a motel early Friday morning.
Police said that several shots were fired into a room at the Flamingo Motel at 47th Street and State Avenue around 12:30 a.m."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20031126/lo_kmbc/1894861

[MrBenchley]

43. Man questioned in museum fire (IN)

"Federal authorities are holding a self-described aging hippie on a firearms charge stemming from an investigation into a fire that destroyed a Holocaust museum in Terre Haute.
Joseph Charles Stockett, 57, convicted in 1976 of setting fire to a Planned Parenthood office in Oregon, was arrested last week after an informer told a Terre Haute police officer he knew someone who might have set the fire.
The informer then sold Stockett a 9 mm handgun in a recorded undercover operation, and Stockett was charged with being a felon in possession of a firearm.
According to an affidavit unsealed in U.S. District Court in Indianapolis, the informer, a 21-year-old Terre Haute bartender, called police two days after the fire and told them Stockett had been trying to recruit members for an anti-Jewish organization. Stockett had loaned the bartender a library book that claimed to be an unpublished sequel to Adolf Hitler's "Mein Kampf" and talked about the museum fire, the informer said.
Later that day, the informer drove to the police station in Stockett's car, which Stockett was trying to sell and letting the bartender test-drive. In a conversation with the bartender, Stockett said he needed to get rid of the car, which he would sell for $450, or for less money and a handgun, according to the affidavit."

http://www.indystar.com/articles/8/096402-1678-009.html

[MrBenchley]

45. Man killed in standoff in Olathe (KS)

"A six-hour standoff ended early Tuesday when a 36-year-old man who police said was suicidal was shot and killed by an Olathe officer.
Bryan E. Jones was shot about 4 a.m. when he walked out the front door of a house with a firearm and threatened authorities, police said.
“He came out the front and was screaming at them to turn off the bright lights,” Van Houten said. “The next thing I know, I saw him pull out a shotgun and shoot toward the (tactical) vehicle.” "

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/7350637.htm

[MrBenchley]

46. Police: Man Kills Family in Murder-Suicide (WI)

"BRADLEY, Wis. - A man shot his wife and two young children to death in their rural home, left a suicide note apologizing to relatives and fatally shot himself, authorities said Wednesday.
The children's grandmother found the bodies Tuesday afternoon when she went to wake her daughter-in-law, Miranda Reichert, and the children, 3-year-old Cara and 2-year-old William, from their usual afternoon nap, Lincoln County Sheriff Thomas J. Koth said.
A one-page suicide note, believed to have been written by the children's father, William Reichert, 27, was also found in the home."

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/breaking_news/7356586.htm

[Romulus]

48. "Battleground: Gunplay Has Spread Across All Areas of Toronto"

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/News/2003/11/26/268608.html
*snip*

Toronto the Good has transformed into Toronto the Bloody. Our streets resemble a shooting gallery, with gunfire piercing the air all over town, not just in the city's well-known crime corridors, each and every day.

With so much gunplay in the city, our cops are having trouble keeping up. Resources are stretched to the limit in a fight police admit they're not winning, but struggling to prevent from blowing up completely.

*snip*

This month has been especially bloody with 10 murders already. While we haven't had another "Bloody Sunday" like last November, when four people were murdered and five were injured in 90 minutes, the trouble on our streets are getting worse not better.

*snip*

"There are just more guns available on the street," (Det-Sgt.) Keys said. "And they're in the hands of more bad guys."

*snip*

"A lot of the shootings are not people being randomly gunned down on the street," Keys said. "There is the odd exception where people get caught in the crossfire, but a lot of the violence you're seeing is between gangs or gang members or between drug dealers.

*snip/end/more*

[Flightful]

51. But how could that be?

I mean, we have that spiffy new registry that was a bargain at $1 billion. I am SHOCKED, SHOCKED I say, to hear that registering grandpa's hunting rifle hasn't stopped people from shooting each other!

[demsrule4life]

52. You get what you pay for

guess our friends in the north just havent paid enough yet.

[slackmaster]

63. I've always had a problem with that statement

You don't always get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get.

So far they've spent around $1 billion and the system is not working; not one life has been saved.

Imagine how cheaply they could have taught every Canadian kid how to swim, or how little it would cost to clean out every chimney and furnace in the country. Or how many dangerous old junk cars the Canadian government could have replaced through a national buy-back probram. Those are measures that would save lives for sure.

[iverglas]

68. tsk

Next time I comment on events in the US (which I generally do not make a practice of doing, so you'd better keep a sharp eye out), I do trust that you folks will shut up.

Imagine how cheaply they could have taught every Canadian kid how to swim ...

Interesting you should raise that. I was just about to suggest that we fire all the lifeguards at all the swimming pools in the country, since I'm quite sure that "not one life has been saved" by the overwhelming majority of them ...

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[slackmaster]

69. But "if it saves even one life" goes the argument

I don't mean to assign a monetary value to human life, but one billion dollars for zero saved is a piss-poor ROI.

[iverglas]

70. and if only

you could prove your completely unsubstantiated statement.

Homicide rates declining. Firearms homicide rates declining faster.

What exactly do you see that supports your assertion?

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[Flightful]

71. Wrong

Overall crime in Canada is down but violent crime is up by 11%. Here in Toronto we've had more murders so far this year than all of last year- half of them were shootings. Two weeks ago a man died in his own home when a stray bullet came through the wall from the street. A billion dollars and no results- I'd rather be in a position to shoot back, a privilege reserved for the criminals here.

[iverglas]

65. gosh, I wonder

Perhaps because the majority of firearms used in crime in Toronto were illegally imported ("smuggled") into Canada from the US?

I wonder how a firearms registry would stop that from happening ... I wonder what kind of a fool would think that a firearms registry would stop that from happening (much as I dislike the Liberals, I don't think they're that foolish, and I don't think that this was the intended purpose of their firearms registry) ... I wonder what kind of a buffoon would try to persuade someone else that this was the purpose or even remotely possible effect of the firearms registry ...

"I am SHOCKED, SHOCKED I say, to hear that registering grandpa's
hunting rifle hasn't stopped people from shooting each other!"

Now I guess I know.

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[MrBenchley]

53. Wow!

10 murders in a month for a city with four million people...why that's almost as many as Indianapolis (800,000 people) get in a typical month...and about half of what New Orleans (400,000 people), Baltimore (600,000 people), or Memphis (600,000 people) have.

"The guns are coming from a number of different sources. About half of Toronto's firearms are being smuggled in from the U.S."

[iverglas]

66. Wower

"10 murders in a month for a city with four million people"

Actually, the 2001 census reported a population of 5.1 million.

The city in question is the GTA -- the Greater Toronto Area -- the amalgamated municipality which includes both the old City of Toronto and all the various boroughs and things around it, which are completely integrated into the metropolitan area (subway system, etc.). We know this because the article refers to a shooting in Scarborough, for instance, and because nobody would talk just about crime in the old City of Toronto proper.

And the newspaper in question is the Toronto Sun. I believe that if I were to say "New York Post", you'd catch on quick.

Don't forget the bit that came after what you quoted:

The guns are coming from a number of different sources. About half
of Toronto's firearms are being smuggled in from the U.S. Most of
the rest are stolen from local homes.

Kinda prima facie evidence that the owners of said "rest" are breaking the laws concerning firearms storage. Oops, I meant to say "law-abiding gun owners", didn't I?

"Some times they are spur-of-the-moment things between two
people, where one of them happens to be armed," Keys said. "In the
past they'd punch it out, now someone's carrying a gun and they
decide to use it."

No! Surely in the past they would have found a knife and killed the person who annoyed them, or strangled them to death, or bashed them over the head with a cinderblock until they expired ... or poisoned them ... 'cause surely the GUN couldn't have been the factor that resulted in someone being dead instead of merely eye-blackened or nose-broken.

"It's not random acts of violence. They're being targeted," Keys said.
"The general public is unlikely to run into this unless you're caught in
the wrong place at the wrong time."

Gosh, I guess this crime wave just isn't really a "crime wave" at all; it's an escalation of internecine violence among people who choose to engage in violence.

Note that that's what the cop actually said; it was the, uh, journalist who said "Our streets resemble a shooting gallery." I wonder what we'd all be talking about if he'd said "The CN Tower resembles Buckingham Palace." Probably shaking our heads and wondering who pays people to write such obviously false stupidities, but since it's in the Sun, not wondering too long. Hey, while you're at canoe.ca, don't forget to check out the Sunshine Girl!

I'll be in Toronto at xmas, and the funny thing is that I'm just not going to be the least bit worried about someone busting in the parent-out-laws' condo door and going bang-bang you're dead, or about being carjacked, or about being robbed at gunpoint in the parking lot. And not a single one of the people I'm going to be visiting is going to have a firearm in their home. Well, unless I happen to visit my sister's best friend for some reason; she's a cop, but she wouldn't have a firearm in her home unless she were on duty and it were on her person, of course.

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[iverglas]

67. oh look!

"10 murders in a month for a city with four million people"

Now, remember ... it's 5.1 million as of two years ago.

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/News/2003/10/02/214772.html
An article about StatsCan's release of 2002 homicide numbers:

Gun murders plummet
StatsCan reports 42-year low for 2002

... StatsCan said the number of killings from
bullets and shotgun pellets -- 26% of the 582
victims -- hit a 42-year low.

... The 90 murders in the Toronto area, a homicide
rate of 1.8 for every 100,000 people, "was still
slightly below the national rate of 1.85," the
agency said. StatsCan includes part of Durham Region, north to
Lake Simcoe, west through Dufferin County to Halton Region as
Toronto.

And that's a whole lot more than the Greater Toronto Area, in fact.

In the city of Toronto, police reported 61 murders in 2002. The city
has had 40 murders this year, compared to 33 at this time last year.

Yep, it's a bloodbath down there.

.

[Spoonman]

49. Hays resident shoots intruder

http://news.mysanantonio.com/story.cfm?xla=saen&xlb=180&xlc=1089743

A Hays County homeowner shot and killed an intruder who was struggling with two sheriff's deputies in his back yard Sunday evening.

[demsrule4life]

50. Clerk cleared in fatal shooting

Convenience store death in holdup ruled justifiable

http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/106975534229430.xml

[MrBenchley]

54. Shields to serve 3 years in death (AL)

"Shields pleaded guilty in August to manslaughter in co-worker Kenneth Cohill's shooting death, and Tuesday's hearing was to determine how much of the plea-bargained 10-year sentence he would spend in prison.
Shelby County Circuit Judge J. Michael Joiner, as he handed down the split sentence in Columbiana, said that Shields made a wrong and fatal decision when he took his gun to work, "but for Kenny's use of drugs, we probably wouldn't be here."
According to witnesses, the shooting happened a day after the two men had a confrontation at work over a pack of cigarettes. Although Shields initiated that confrontation, according to testimony Tuesday, he also apologized to Cohill, who rejected the apology. "

http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/1069841795286430.xml

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55. Woman Fatally Shoots Suspected Intruder

http://www.ksat.com/news/2605099/detail.html

SAN ANTONIO -- An East Side apartment resident fatally wounded a man who allegedly tried to break into her unit early Sunday, police said.

According to police, Judy Abrams allegedly shot Ernest Flores, 21, several times while he tried to crawl through her unit at the Morning View Oak Apartments in the 600 block of Morning View.

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58. November 3?

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60. Sorry, neglected to check the date.

Was it posted before?

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56. Police: Man shoots intruder

COATESVILLE -- Two men armed with guns who burst into a home in the 400 block of Victoria Drive Wednesday and demanded money got a little surprise when one of the people inside the home had better aim, police said.

One of the intruders, identified by police as Rameek Neal, 22, of Lancaster, was hit and is now listed at the hospital as a quadriplegic. Police are still looking for the second man.

According to police reports, Neal and another man knocked on the door of the home sometime before 10:30 Wednesday night.

After one of the home’s occupants opened the door, the two men forced their way in, baring guns and demanding money, police said. Reports said the man police have not yet arrested pointed what witnesses said was a sawed-off shotgun at the two people in the living room. Neal, meanwhile, left the living room and went to the home’s master bedroom, police said.

http://www.dailylocal.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=10476929&BRD=1671&PAG=461&dept_id=17782&rfi=6

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59. November 7....

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61. Store Clerk Shot In Back During Robbery (MI)

"A co-owner of an Ypsilanti store is recovering in a hospital after he was shot in the back during a robbery Tuesday evening.
Ypsilanti Police said the robber made a purchase at the N & Y Party Store at 908 Congress, then pointed a handgun at the 39-year-old man, according to The Ann Arbor News.
At some point, the robber shot the store owner in the lower back, then fled, the paper reported. Police said the wounded man was able to call 911. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20031126/lo_wdiv/1895620

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62. Man Shot In N.E. Side Apartment Parking Lot (TX)

"San Antonio police are looking for three men in connection with a shooting late Tuesday on the North East Side.
Witnesses told police a group of men chased a man and shot him in the parking lot of the Spring Hill Apartments in the 4800 block of Ray Bon around 11 p.m.
The victim suffered gunshot wounds to his arm and stomach. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20031126/lo_ksat/1895824

Isn't it the contention of the RKBA crowd that those idiotic CCW laws would prevent things like this, because attackers would have to fear guns, the way cartoon gangsters are afraid of Bruce Wayne's pastel bat outfit?