Gun Control is being gutted in Virginia...

[virginia mountainman]

They are playing their swain song now... While Brady, are having strokes about Starbucks, and the VPC is laminating the removal of the National parks ban...They are not even showing up to resist in the state house....But, we are their.....IN FORCE.

We here in the Commonwealth of Virginia, are on the march!

The full Militia, Police and Public Safety committee met this morning
and the following bills passed and are now on their way to the House
Floor for a vote next week. All passed by wide margins:

HB 171, prohibits employers and others from banning
firearms left in locked vehicles in parking lots. Gives employers
immunity if such guns are misused. The bill was amended to add a few
exceptions

HB 79, prohibits Circuit Court Clerks from divulging
CHP applicant information to anyone but police in performance of their
duties

HB 885, allows a non-CHP holder to have a loaded gun
in an unlocked compartment or container in a personal motor vehicle or
boat

HB 1070, allows CHP holders to carry in an emergency
shelter

HB 49, repeals one handgun a month

HB 870, repeals the option for localities to
fingerprint first time CHP applicants

HB 26, clarifies exactly what paperwork is required
from a CHP applicant

HB 8, clarifies that a CHP holder can renew through
the mail

HB 108,requires localities auction guns purchased in a
gun buy-up

HB 236, allows someone to shoot a gun within 1/2 mile
of a subdivision if they do so safely

HB 109, repeals a state law that allows localities to
tax and collect information about handgun sales

HB 1191, allows judges to approve Circuit Court
Clerks to issue CHPs

HB 490, authorizes the State Police to come up
with a plan to issue lifetime CHPs

HB 69, Virginia Firearms Freedom Act (10th Amendment
protection for guns made and sold in VA)

HB 1217, allows school boards to offer firearms safety
programs

Too bad, lamenting a minor law, that passed last year (VPC) or Worried about what a private business is allowing on it's own property (Brady Campaine)...

We are in the process of "getting it done"..

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

1. Looks great.

Any linkage?

Thanks, in advance.

[virginia mountainman]

3. Some, I got much this information from "boots on the ground" in Richmond minutes ago..

Your getting it way before MSM goes to press with it... But I do have SOME news linkage, on SOME of it..

ONLY local sources has any info on it now.. But when the Anti's find out, LOL, they will spread the good word, far and wide... As I said, they are too busy with the starbucks petition, to worry about whats happing in the legislature

http://hamptonroads.com/2010/02/va-house-panel-oks-repeal-gunpurchase-limit

http://hamptonroads.com/2010/02/bill-allow-guns-virginia-bars-advances-assembly

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

6. One gun a month!

Outrageous!!!

:grr:

[virginia mountainman]

7. It is "one handgun" a month..

Yea, is is....

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

9. Ridiculous.

It'll take two whole months to fill both our hands!

:grr:

[aliendroid]

2. I wish them luck

YOu anti-gun people tried your little anti gun experiment from the 60-80s and it failed and only increased crime. Now we are increasing gun freedom and reducing restrictions and gun crime is going down

By the way the earth is round also. Get on with it people, gun control = more crime.

[RaleighNCDUer]

10. Bullshit. Burgeoning young populations = more crime, nothing more.

The crime stats rose in proportion to the boomer generation, because 90% of crimes are committed by people who are young and stupid. As the population aged out, crime declined.

Nothing to do with gun control.

[aliendroid]

12. nope

sorry dude, but a massive drop in violent crime that suddenly occured in 1991 has nothing to do with the slow process of population shifts, if it did the graph would be just as slow moving as population changes. Nope. Argument busted.

[bpj62]

17. Wrong Buddie

As a Criminal Justice Major that is one of the statistics that stood out. As the baby boomer population aged upward, Crminal acts started to decline. Criminals either stopped committing crime, were locked up for good or died. Young people commit crime and the baby boomer generation was the largest baby boom in this countries history. THat is why the crime way started to tick up in the 60s and dropped down in the late 80s early 90s. You have a right to your opinions but at least try to base them on facts.

[rd_kent]

18. We can also argue that crime dropped BECAUSE more of the population was armed.

There are more legal guns per capita now than ever, and crime is at its lowest since 1961. Cold it be because the population is better armed? Maybe. One thing we DO know, is that all of those guns have not cause the crime rate to go UP, as it was predicted.

[bpj62]

20. Statistical Proof

Your correlation would be interesting if you could prove it but since the NRA has made gun ownership a privacy matter there is no accurate way to count how many american own weapons and whether they are rifles or pistols. The ATF is forbidden by federal law from tracking gun purchases. By the way I support responsible gun ownership.

[rd_kent]

24. Oh those states are there. The DOJ is the best place to look.

[PavePusher]

31. How do you define "responsible" in relation to gun ownership? n/t

[aliendroid]

38. but one problem

So what you are saying is that the 50% or so drop in violent crime rates was due to dilution of the population by baby boomers. Or in other words that the high crime rate population, the youth, half of them, in a 10 year period went from being 18-30 to being 50-70, can you explain that to me.

Or better yet just look at the trend in violent crime of the young population. Looks like they went down also. by a lot.

[aliendroid]

39. one last thing

Here's another problem with your theory. It seems that the number of people in regions that have concealed carry available pretty much has dictated the direction of violent crime since 1991. Look, I know that it would be good your you law dogs if the stats showed us that it is you that keep us safe, but the non law dogs, the normal people, we all know that you guys are not where you need to be when the thugs attack and we also know thugs are cowards and are likely to find other lines of work when the victims can defend themselves.

[cowman]

13. Nice try

but doesn't hold water

[old mark]

23. Gun control laws disarms those who obey laws. Those who don't,

are not concerned, and are happier to have an unarmed group of potential victims.
I am very happy to be seeing the apparent death of the idiotic anti-gun movement in the US and I hope to see it gone completely very soon.


mark

[defendandprotect]

36. GOP escalates poverty and then the GOP's/NRA makes a bundle selling weapons!!

Anything different here from the usual right wing planning?

Not unlike Iraq or Iran -- not unlike any other nation we've co-opted and invaded -- !!

Now it's America's turn!

[old mark]

43. So this is a plot.........

:tinfoilhat:




mark

[defendandprotect]

45. Nah . . . this is "conspiracy-free America" . . . don'tchaknow?

And here's some REAL tinfoil for you -- !!!



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:evilgrin:

[SteveM]

49. How did "GOP's/NRA make a bundle selling weapons?"...

There must be some data out there, esp. since gun sales increased markedly over the last 2-3 years. What portion went to the GOP? What portion to the NRA?

BTW, with all that poverty, don't you think that the final step of "right wing planning" would be gun confiscation?

[TheWraith]

54. Attributing crime to any one factor is ridiculous.

While there's a few prime movers that you can point to, mainly poverty and the drug war, to say that any one thing causes crime is to be guilty of massive oversimplification.

[defendandprotect]

34. It is poverty which breeds crime . . .and the right wing which is quite well served by violence!!

[aliendroid]

40. I knew Ron Paul was bad

Yeah, it's the right wing libertarian jerks who are doing it all, they are so bad!

(joking)

[defendandprotect]

42. Who dismantled the New Deal? The right wing --

On the other hand, while I doubt that Bush/Cheney label themselves as "Libertarians"

nor that Reagan or Nixon called themselves "Libertarians" -- you'll also find no defense

of right wing Libertarians from me!!

And that's no jokin' --

[SteveM]

50. Well, here's the thing that puzzles me...

I hear so often from folks on the "left" that the "right" is going to take down the country, usurp Constitutional protections (all of them), institutionalize the unitary presidency, break-up labor actions, force their agenda into our public schools, open the country to wide-open pollution, investigate and imprison those who object... and after all that, some of these same folks say:

"Oh, let's ban guns."

It's like turning the channel on your T.V. when you get tired of the program. Do "lefties" like this really believe what they say, or is it just another coffee house rant? If so, they wouldn't be for a gun ban.

[aliendroid]

4. virginia on its way to being the new new hampshire

New Hampshire having the lowest gun restrictions in the country, with total wild west style open carry available pretty much anywhere including inside of police stations and in the state government building (videos of citizens carrying in those locaitons) and they have a much lower crime rate than canada with 1.0 /100,000 murders and around 140/100,000 violent crime rate, lowest in the USA.

So now maybe virginia is on its way to having less crime, good for them!

[PavePusher]

32. Ummm, Vermont, actually.

N.H. still makes you get a permit. Vermont never has and hopefully never will.

Just a raging, bullet-slinging place, Vermont is... oh, wait....

[GreenStormCloud]

5. What a wish list. I love it. It will be great if they get it all. N/T

[virginia mountainman]

8. Not a wish list..

Anything could happen, but it looks to ALL be heading to passage... Much of it, pass committee, UNANIMOUSLY.

Remember, I predicted, months ago, that Virginia, would make great gains..

O, and the Gun Control bills, never got out of the starting gate..

[GreenStormCloud]

44. I know you will keep us current on those bills. Thanks. N/T

[nimvg]

11. I Suspect...

...a lot of this is about the Heller decision and the anticipated finding in the McDonnell case that's coming later this year.

Gun control is dead as a political issue. It's been dead for ten years but most people didn't know it.

I don't think it's gonna be too long before we have statewide concealed carry in California. Sacramento will do everything it can to stand in the way but in the end, the Feds will rule all states must be "shall issue" and that'll be the end of it.

[cowman]

15. Ahhhh

what's the VPC and the Brady Bunch going to do then. I guess find another cause

[nimvg]

16. No Idea...

...but my days of going to the gun shows and spending money are over. Gotta save for retirement.

[spin]

25. Perhaps rather than trying to take guns away from honest citizens ...

the VPC and the Brady Campaign could focus more on taking guns away from criminals.

They could push for better funding of law enforcement and better funding and improvements of the NICS background check.

If so, they would gain support from gun owners and really make a contribution to lowering crime rates involving firearms.

[old mark]

48. They are interested in making MONEY from scared anti-gun idiots, nothing

more. It is a great thing that they seem to be dieing out after decades of lies for profit.

mark

[SteveM]

51. The Bradys are GOP, they win either way. nt

[Hoopla Phil]

14. K and R

[old mark]

19. Rec. Good - let's see this nation wide. nt

[defendandprotect]

21. Can't wait until everyone in Congress has a gun -- !!!

[Merchant Marine]

27. What makes you think they don't already?

Even if they don't, they've got teams of professional, violent men with guns to protect them.

[defendandprotect]

33. We'll find out when they begin shooting at one another ...!!

[SteveM]

52. Sen DiFi, the gun prohibitionist, has her own armed body guards....

She used to carry concealed. Guns are good enough for her, but not good enough for you or me.

[proteus_lives]

22. This makes me smile.

I love seeing the personal rights of Americans becoming more secure.

[Dappleganger]

28. Same here.

A gun is the great equalizer for a homeowner/renter in a neighborhood where the cops only show up after the last song's been played.

[katandmoon]

26. Glad I no longer live there.

[proteus_lives]

29. They feel the same way.

[virginia mountainman]

30. O YEA!!

The constant prattle about certain body parts, made most of us down here edgy...

[Tim01]

35. Me too. nt

[aliendroid]

41. thanks for representing the violent offender's union view

They are not happy with these new bills. The sexual assault union and the mugger's union also did not support these bills.

[defendandprotect]

37. Ah, the security . . . like the every growing MIC which protects us from peace, eh, war . . . !!

[sharesunited]

46. Wow, Virginians never learn. More rampage shootings to follow.

[cowman]

47. Ahhhhh

another moron speaks up. Hey Shares, when are you going to learn? your side lost big time. Your arguments just don't hold water and never will

[Endangered Specie]

53. Hmmm, maybe some day I will have to move there...

assuming they can ever make good BBQ, I'd be set! :P