TN: Concealed Carry Permits Up 23% in 2009

[GreenStormCloud]

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2010/feb/21/tennessee-gun-permits-23-last-year/

Knoxville has the highest concentration of permit-holders among the state's largest cities: More than 11 percent of its residents 21 and up are licensed to carry firearms.

NASHVILLE — The number of Tennesseans licensed by the state to go armed increased by nearly 51,000 people last year — to 268,711, according to new state statistics.

That's an increase of 23 percent over the 218,004 Tennesseans with handgun-carry permits on Jan. 1, 2009. By comparison, the 2008 increase was 14 percent, according to Tennessee Department of Safety figures.

In Shelby County, the number of residents with handgun-carry permits jumped by 5,205 in 2009 to 38,130, up 16 percent. The Shelby County increase in 2008 was 15 percent.

The new data indicate that about 6 percent of Tennessee residents old enough to have a handgun-carry permit -- those ages 21 and up -- had one at the start of this year

SNIP (Lot of interesting stuff in the snip)

Violent crime in Memphis declined 9 percent from 2008 to 2009 and by about 15 percent since 2006, he said.

Tennessee Handgun-carry permits

— Number of permits in Tennessee on Jan. 1, 2010: 268,711, up from 218,004 on Jan. 1, 2009, and 191,208 on Jan. 1, 2008

— Total number of permits issued by Tennessee in 2009: 111,469. Of those, 59,413 were new original permits, 51,467 were renewals, and 589 were to new residents with permits from other states allowed under state law to renew in Tennessee.

— Statewide, total issuance of permits (including renewals) nearly doubled from 57,172 in 2008 to 111,469 last year, a 95 percent increase.
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Now just wait a gosh-durned minute. We have been assured by certain people here that "more guns = more crime" and that with more people packing guns that there would be shootouts over parking spaces, and blood running in the streets and all of that sort of stuff. Instead, the number of permits issued has almost doubled, and violent crime dropped - again.

In Knoxville, 11% of the adults are licensed to carry concealed. That is 1 in 9. That would put a lot of pressure on a mugger to make sure that his victime selection methodology is up to date. Or maybe find a different line of crime, maybe even work.

[cowman]

1. The gun controllers

heads must be exploding right aboooooooooout
NOW

[damntexdem]

6. No, we're just sad for TN.

And concerned for the country as a whole for embracing such idiocy.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

12. Certainly doesn't seem to have affected TN negatively.

[proteus_lives]

22. What idiocy?

You must mean gun control and grabberism. Yeah, that's for morons.

CCW is for liberal and progressives.

[rfranklin]

2. New York City...very few gun permits...crime rate drops....huh?

New York City crime rate still falling
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Friday, April 24th 2009, 9:22 PM
The city's crime rate for the first three months of 2009 was the lowest in more than 40 years, defying fears that the sinking economy might send the city back into the bad old days of rampant murders and rough streets.

Through the end of last month, overall crime dropped 13.5% from a year ago - down in every major category, including homicides, with 89, according to daily crime statistics from police. Last year, there were 116 homicides during the same period.

Robberies were also down from 4,837 last year at this time to 4,131 this year, and grand larcenies dropped from 10,030 to 8,854.

"I know there's an anticipation ... that crime would go up as a result of the economic turndown. We just haven't experienced that," Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said Friday.



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/04/25/2009-04-25_city_crime_still_falling.html#ixzz0gNQ28r5q

[cowman]

3. And yet

N.Y.C. still has one of the highest crime rates in the nation.

[rfranklin]

4. And yet the state of TN has a much higher crime rate than NY state...

So your entire theory holds no water.

http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2009/03/25/99012.htm

[LiberalFighter]

5. And it has a higher concentration of people than Knoxville or any city in TN

For 2008, Memphis TN was ranked 2nd with more than 950 violent crimes per 100,000.

And then the Justice Policy ranked 4th safest city in 2005. And Memphis TN ranked 4th and Nashville ranked 8th most dangerous cities.


2009 City Crime Rate Rankings (Highest crime to lowest)
10 Memphis
41 Knoxville
56 Nashville
62 Chattanooga
177 Clarksville
210 Murfreesboro

256 New York NY

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

9. And a higher concentration of cops.

[rfranklin]

10. You can't depend on the cops...you told me that yourself, Mr. Dave...

See, I am listening.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

11. You can't. That doesn't change the effect they have on crime rates.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

13. About time there was SOME kind of decrease in NYC crime. The NYPD has over 40,000 officers.

As of 2009:
Police Officers - 35,284
School Safety Officers - 5,147
Auxiliary Officers - 4,503
Police Cars - 8,839

All these assets covering a precinct of only 469 sq. miles. For Baby Jesus' sake, I'd hope they can lower crime.
Including all officers, that's an average of 95 NYPD Officers and 19 cars per sq. mile. :o
Of course, divided into 4 shifts your looking at only ~24 officers and ~4.5 cars per sq. mile. :eyes:

[slackmaster]

15. It's been dropping just about everywhere in the USA

For reasons unrelated to gun laws.

[PavePusher]

16. New York City... Isn't that the place where they play very fast and loose...

with the Fourth amendment? Kind of like... The "Patriot" Act?

http://www.bing.com/search?q=New+York+City%2C+frisk&src=IE-SearchBox&Form=IE8SRC


We don't need no steeenkeen guns... we just need a police state.

[safeinOhio]

7. Other stats

Burglaries and Criminal homicides went up in 2009

http://helloknoxville.com/crime.cfm

Five of the seven major crime categories declined and while burglaries increased just over 7 percent, there were fewer recorded in 2009 than in 1970.
Criminal homicide also went up, with six more slayings than in 2008.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

8. I wonder how many of those homicides were committed by CCW permit holders?

[friendly_iconoclast]

14. Hush your mouth, Dave! You *know* you shouldn't ask faith-disturbing questions like that.

It might cause some analytical thought about gun laws, and we can't be having that now, can we?

[oneshooter]

17. None, in NYC. Only those "deserving" of a CCL have them. n/t

[safeinOhio]

18. None. I'm sure

however for the sake of intellectual honesty, the OP show stats that would lead one to think crime decreases with the increase in CCWs. Crime in general did, but burglaries and criminal homicide went up. I don't think one could argue against pointing out what was left out.

Crime is going down for many reasons. Aging population, etc. I would warn against drawing a correlation between increase CCWs and lower crime for the simple reason that one would have to eat those words if there is ever any increase in crime. I'm all for law abiding people having CCWs. I'm against any false conclusions on correlations.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

19. Like the more guns=more deaths correlation that is drawn by many here.

[safeinOhio]

20. Right

You can't have it both ways. If you are going to draw a conclusion, you can't just select the facts that support it if there are contrary facts in the same study.

Now if OP showed that with the higher # of CCWs there was no increase in CCW holders committing crimes it would be very convincing. Criminal murders went up, not down. That, excuse the pun, shoots a hole in the increase in legal gun carriers lowers violent gun crimes argument. It may, but this study doesn't back that up.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

24. I doubt it lowers violent gun crime much.

I wouldn't be surprised if it lowered other violent crimes.

[Euromutt]

21. I think GSC's point was not that more CCWs leads to less violent crime...

... but rather that more CCWs does not lead to an increase, as organizations like the VPC would have us believe. If CCW holders actually did make a habit of pulling guns and possibly shooting people "over parking spaces, football games, and family arguments" you would expect to see a correlation between the percentage of permit holders in the population and the aggravated assault rate in addition to the criminal homicide rate, given that handgun wounds are fatal in only a minority of cases.

Correlation may not be a sufficient condition for causation, but it is a necessary condition.

[GreenStormCloud]

25. BINGO N/T

[proteus_lives]

23. Good news!

People should protect themselves.

The authoritarians must be gnashing their teeth. I love it.

[K8-EEE]

26. It's the ONLY FACTOR! The crooks look up all the gun permits

And then they get a scared to ATTACK!!! They go, wait! There's X-percent MORE GUNS, I'm not doing any VIOLENT CRIME!

If the gun permits drop THEY'LL BE AFTER US AGAIN!

So, everybody better WALK AROUND WITH A GUN ALL THE TIME!

God, whatever, the day I think I need a gun to survive life I'll move to country with decent gun control. Guns to protect you from guns, um, no thanks.