Kaleva
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Wed Feb-24-10 08:32 PM
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"We have nothing to be concerned about at the present time," State Police Detective Sergeant David Johnston told TV6. http://www.uppermichiganssource.com/news/story.aspx?id=421059We who live in Upper Michigan apparently are the care free type.
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Wed Feb-24-10 08:35 PM
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...oh wait, he did.
Very sorry for his family.
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Wed Feb-24-10 08:35 PM
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Fire_Medic_Dave
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Wed Feb-24-10 08:47 PM
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4. Sorry enough to make a punchline out of his murder. |
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Didn't your parents raise you better than that?
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Wed Feb-24-10 08:50 PM
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6. And how many deaths do you make light of on this forum? |
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You're Mr. "looks like he picked the wrong house", if I recall.
Spare me the lecture just because this death doesn't suit your viewpoint.
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Wed Feb-24-10 08:51 PM
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7. So now you are equating his murder with that of a criminal killed in self defense? |
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I take that back about your parents.
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Barack_America
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Wed Feb-24-10 08:57 PM
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10. I'd imagine it's the same to their families. |
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I wished comfort to the dead man's family, as I would to any family who has lost someone.
Still, this does speak against the argument that an armed person, or a person with access to firearms, is a safe person. No?
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Wed Feb-24-10 09:04 PM
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11. Who here believes that firearm possession automatically makes one safe? |
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I believe having access to a firearm, being highly trained in its use and being very aware of your surroundings can give you an opportunity to defend yourself against a grave threat.
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Wed Feb-24-10 10:01 PM
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12. Please point out where anyone said a firearm is a gaurantee of safety. |
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It's O.K., I'll wait.....
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Thu Feb-25-10 11:48 AM
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13. You mean it speaks against the STRAWMAN argument that an armed person is safe |
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because it's YOUR strawman.
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Fire_Medic_Dave
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Thu Feb-25-10 12:26 PM
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14. Please don't run off without answering the questions. |
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Thu Feb-25-10 12:47 PM
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19. Your statement needs correction.... |
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"Still, this does speak against the argument that an armed person, or a person with access to firearms, is a safe person. No?"
You contend that someone in these threads has floated an "argument" which professes an "armed person is a safe person." Please point out where this argument is made. Cite names, places, provide links.
What IS contended here is that an armed person stands a better chance to thwart violent attack/criminality. Arms to not make one "safe." They do provide significantly better protection in the event of attack.
You have created an argument, then defeated it. No?
BTW, I do not equate the death of a thug (when committing a violent crime) with the murder of a shop owner, and neither does the law.
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Thu Feb-25-10 12:38 PM
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18. So, at best, you "make light" of deaths which better suit your taste? |
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Wed Feb-24-10 08:35 PM
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2. If only he had been carrying a gun... |
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Wed Feb-24-10 08:49 PM
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5. I missed the part where it says he was carrying a gun. Do you have a link? |
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Thu Feb-25-10 12:26 PM
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15. Still waiting on that link. |
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Thu Feb-25-10 12:28 PM
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16. Guns are no guarantee of safety. |
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Carrying a gun is no guarantee of safety during an assault, any more than wearing a seatbelt guarantees safety in a car crash.
Yet some people still find it prudent to use the tools that are available to them to increase their odds. It doesn't always help.
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Kaleva
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Wed Feb-24-10 08:52 PM
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8. I've driven by the man's shop many times... |
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Wed Feb-24-10 08:52 PM
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9. Sometimes the bad guys win. |
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Edited on Wed Feb-24-10 08:53 PM by GreenStormCloud
None of us here claim that a gun is a magic talisman, nor that victory for the good guys is a sure thing. We only claim that having a gun gives the good guy more of a chance than he would have otherwise.
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Thu Feb-25-10 12:38 PM
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17. Pawn shop. Probably a robbery. |
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Thu Feb-25-10 12:56 PM
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20. Firearms are only a part of a larger plan |
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Self-defense has many components and/or layers.
To think a firearm would magically save someone from a nasty situation is ludicrous.
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