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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 09:48 PM
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Texas gov. shoots, kills 'wily' coyote during jog
AUSTIN, Texas -- Pistol-packing Texas Gov. Rick Perry has a message for wily coyotes out there: Don't mess with my dog.

Perry told The Associated Press on Tuesday he needed just one shot from the laser-sighted pistol he sometimes carries while jogging to take down a coyote that menaced his puppy during a February run near Austin.

Perry said he will carry his .380 Ruger - loaded with hollow-point bullets - when jogging on trails because he is afraid of snakes. He'd also seen coyotes in the undeveloped area.

When one came out of the brush toward his daughter's Labrador retriever, Perry charged.

"Don't attack my dog or you might get shot ... if you're a coyote," he said Tuesday.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/27/AR2010042704373.html?hpid=topnews
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 09:49 PM
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1. Considering coyotes carry rabies, I don't blame him nt
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 09:53 PM
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5. Did I ever tell you that you are my Fave?
Edited on Tue Apr-27-10 09:54 PM by Botany
From somebody who knows about lab puppies, guns, and coyotes this story
does not pass the smell test.


BTW

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8229025

Would you care to cross Ms. Laura Bush on "her story" here?
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:28 PM
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44. Rabies is not usually a problem with coyotes.

In recent years, most of those cases have been transmitted by bats, though they rank third behind raccoons and skunks in terms of known animal cases here. Coyotes.. not so much.

There has been a problem in the extreme south counties of Texas, but other animals are of much more concern, and there's no problem near
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 11:37 PM
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55. Says someone in Washington State
who doesn't know wtf they're talking about. You should always consider an attacking animal as rabid, especially one as squirrelly around humans as a coyote. Say this story is true, what would you have Goodhair do? Let the coyote rip apart his dog?

dg
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Boudica the Lyoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 02:29 AM
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68. I'm in WA State as well
It's silly to say we don't know what the fuck we are talking about. We ranch here and have lot's of coyotes and ........ wait, why bother talking with someone after they make a statement like you did. I just can't be fucking bothered to waste my sensible and knowledgeable words on you.
:eyes:
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 07:34 AM
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78. I can't understand why you'd let a wild animal rip your pet apart nt
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 09:51 AM
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91. Please take your "sensible and knowledgeable" self to this link on rabies in Texas.
http://www.cityofkyle.com/RabiesPublicEducation.php

So, does your "sensible and knowledgeable" self understand that the behavior exhibited by this coyote is an indicator or rabies?
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 12:19 PM
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98. Our coyotes are more or less geographically isolated from texan coyotes.
They find ways to get around, but they aren't terribly migratory. If they have a rabies problem in Texas, that doesn't necessarily mean we have a rabies problem in the coyote population here.

But tell you what, if I see a coyote acting aggressively around me, I'm going to shoot first ask no questions later.
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 11:01 AM
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96. Wow... you are
hair-trigger yourself, aren't you?

I was talking about rabies... not letting my dog get chewed up by a coyote. Also, you might look at the fucking map I posted!

Most of the coyote-human interactions in the whole country occur where most people aren't carrying, or couldn't shoot in any case... parks and such.

As to not knowing WTF I'm talking about.... I do Naturalist presentations at a National Park, and coyotes are one of my areas of expertise. You've obviously gotten your expertise watching Wily and the Roadrunner. Too much.

Coyotes are usually fearless of humans in urban/suburban situations, since they aren't hunted there. Coyotes are smart and know the rules, so a coyote that hangs around humans is usually in hopes of food. Humans are a constant source of food for them.

I carry a stick when I walk my 20 lb dog. Not for the coyotes, who will test the dog and owner, hoping to find a couple of wimps and get a meal, but for the goddam dogs who are uncontrolled by their goddam owners. When I bike, I carry Wasp spray and Bear spray... again, not for the coyotes, but for the dogs.
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 09:49 AM
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90. Please see this link about rabies in Texas.
http://www.cityofkyle.com/RabiesPublicEducation.php

You do understand that the odd behavior that this coyote exhibited is an indication of rabies right?
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 12:06 AM
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65. No, they RARELY carry rabies, just like every other wild and domestic animal
out there. This kind of ignorant, knee jerk, pest control corp driven fear mongering is disgusting and absurd. Animals have every right to live unmolested by us-especially after the devastation that we, as a species, have done to THEIR world.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 07:35 AM
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79. They carry rabies here & god how I love how you guys love animals so much
you'd let a domestic PET be ripped apart in front of you.

dg
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 09:47 AM
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89. Speaking of ignorance, please see the attached link about rabies in Texas.
http://www.cityofkyle.com/RabiesPublicEducation.php

One of the signs of rabies is odd behavior, such as exhibited in this incident. A normal coyote would flee from a human yelling at it, this one did not and THAT is a big reason to immediately suspect rabies.
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rcrush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 09:50 PM
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2. Well
I don't know if carrying a lazer sighted gun with you while jogging is necessary but I know people that will shoot wild animals if they mess with their pets.

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miscsoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 09:51 PM
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3. bullshit
this is made up, no way this happened
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:01 PM
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13. Austin does have a coyote problem, that's for sure.. and Perry is known to carry.
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miscsoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:06 PM
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16. it may well be true
whether it is or isn't isn't really the issue, although it does sound like the sort of thing a right winger would make up. the "one bullet" bit though...hm... it should be taken with a grain of salt at the very least. and the way he told it is ridiculous whether it happened or not,
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MajorChode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 11:36 PM
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54. It's not a coyote problem, it's a people problem
The coyote was in North America over a million years before humans were even humans.

I was raised in Texas on a farm and my dad never once shot a coyote, even if he caught one carrying off livestock. He always said they had more of a right to be there than he did and an occasional lost chicken every now and then was the price he was willing to pay for squatting on their territory. I've ran into a lot of coyotes in Texas in my time and I've never seen one that didn't avoid humans. That's not to say that some aren't rabid, but that is a very rare occurrence, especially around Austin. The same goes for almost all varieties of snakes that live in Texas. It sounds fishy to me also. I don't mind people who hunt for food, but I've always thought that people who shot coyotes and snakes for sport were assholes. Gov Goodhair is definitely an asshole and a liar. My guess is the coyote was running off when Goodhair shot it.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:10 PM
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19. There's plenty of coyotes around Austin
and elsewhere around South and Central Texas, or Texas in general for that matter. Whether Perry shot one is the real question. I think he probably did.
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 09:54 AM
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92. Hell, the University I went to in Corpus had coyotes running around on campus. The difference?
They ran from people. This coyote exhibited behavior that indicates rabies - it didn't run from a human yelling at it.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 09:51 PM
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4. Why don't I buy this story?
If pistol packing Rick shot a coyote to protect a lab puppy that is fine
but why wait until now to talk about it?

Rick wants to sell his "Texas Macho Self," for the election.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 09:53 PM
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6. He's competing for attention with a helicopter wolf-shooting woman.
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Travis Coates Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 05:51 PM
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119. If I saw a wolf in a Helicopter I'd shoot it too NNTO
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miscsoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 09:55 PM
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7. that's right
it's a stupid story to make him look manly or something.

of course nobody would object to killing some wild carnivore trying to kill your dog.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 09:55 PM
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8. Most likely story: shot it for target practice and made up the rest
The animal probably wasn't threatening him or his animals, and probably never realized he was about to be shot.

And that's if Perry actually shot him. Road kill sounds more likely, exaggerated into shooting the animal to save the beloved family pet.

Sounds like calculated myth building.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 09:59 PM
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12. I have seen where a coyote will take a small dog or a puppy as a meal
.... it happened right across the street from where I was working but why do you need a
.308 w/ laser sights for snakes? A .22 pistol with loaded with "shot" will do the trick.

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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:08 PM
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18. .380 LCP probably
Story mentioned .380 Ruger. Small pocket pistol with almost non-existent sights. Laser is a nice addition.



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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:11 PM
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21. Exactly what I have, except mine has the chrome addition.
The LCP is a 'body mass' gun with a healthy recoil so CT sights are a common add-on among those of us who carry it. It's a lot smaller than my thick Springfield XC9SC 3" and easier to hide (I have a FL CCW). A lot of people prefer to carry something like that while running or walking because it's so lightweight.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:16 PM
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30. I have one as well I carry while walking in the pocket
Edited on Tue Apr-27-10 10:16 PM by RamboLiberal
I have to get myself the CT Laser Sights.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:19 PM
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35. They're definitely worth it.
MUCH cheaper than the CT sights for my 3" SC9SC. *sigh*
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:13 PM
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27. thanx
n/t

i still don't buy the story :rofl:
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 07:46 AM
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81. I love my .380 LCP.
I routinely would leave larger firearm home because of size/concealability. The LCP with pocket holster is great. The holster only prints a square in the pocket so most people would assume it is my wallet.

I don't have a laser sight though. The backyard has been taking up all my disposable income lately.
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MajorChode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 11:40 PM
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58. You don't even need one for snakes
I've worked in very remote areas all around Texas. I once worked on the top of a mountain that was full of rattlesnakes. One used to live under one of our buildings and during certain times of the year would come out every day and sun itself on the sidewalk. I never once felt the need to carry a gun. It's a chickenshit excuse to begin with.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 08:24 AM
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84. Copperheads bother me more than rattlers.
Rattlers will move away, or at the very least, let you know you've overlooked them.

Copperheads, on the other hand, will stay put until you get right next to them. If I'm out in the woods in warm weather, I always wear snake chaps.
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 08:36 AM
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85. Not .308, that's a rifle. .380 is a small pistol. N/T
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 09:55 PM
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9. He's running in 2012...oh yeah.
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miscsoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:10 PM
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20. read perry's description of the experience in the article
Edited on Tue Apr-27-10 10:12 PM by miscsoc
it is absurdly portentous. it's a fucking coyote, rick, it's not moby fucking dick.

"I'm enjoying the run when something catches my eye and it's this coyote. I know he knows I'm there. He never looks at me, he is laser-locked on that dog," Perry said.

"I holler and the coyote stopped. I holler again. By this time I had taken my weapon out and charged it. It is now staring dead at me. Either me or the dog are in imminent danger. I did the appropriate thing and sent it to where coyotes go," he said.

note the present tense.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:13 PM
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26. "I had taken my weapon out and charged it."
What in the fuck?

Was he packing a Klingon disrupter?

I knew the weapon laws in Texas were lax, but....?
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 02:52 AM
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70. Governor Goodhair packing his Klingon disruptor
That was funny. Thanks for the laugh :rofl:
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 06:45 AM
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76. Charge it? Where did he plug it?
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 12:24 PM
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99. It's military nomenclature for chambering a round and cocking the hammer or otherwise priming a weap
on. The part on an AR-15/M-16 that you perform this function with is literally called a 'charging handle'.
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shedevil69taz Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #26
101. "Charging" is a term used to describe
the action of manipulating a weapon to make it ready to fire by loading a round into the chamber.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:13 PM
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28. Now we all know he doesn't go around with one in the chamber.
He was a dumbass to say so.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 11:10 PM
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52. Wait, if I'm reading this right...
HE initiates aggressive contact with the coyote by charging it, and then feels threatened?

I hope the Chinese are right, with all their hells. That way there can be a Hell Where Coyotes Bite Your Balls Off just for Rick Perry
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 11:32 PM
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53. was he physically charging
Edited on Tue Apr-27-10 11:35 PM by paulsby
or charging his gun?

i have no idea

assuming ANY of this story is true. which is ... well...


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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 07:48 AM
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82. I think he was "charging" the pistol as in chambering a round.
Obviously the Gov is not confident enough to carry with a round in the chamber.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 12:25 PM
Response to Reply #82
100. Consider the bad press of an ND.
Yeah, he was charging the weapon, as I read that.
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HALO141 Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 05:24 PM
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117. Not sure I'd necessarily fault him for that
"Obviously the Gov is not confident enough to carry with a round in the chamber."

We don't know what pistol he was carrying or whether it was in a holster or just bare, in his pocket. The Ruger LCP, for instance, doesn't look like it has any manual or passive safeties. Yes, it has a double-action-only trigger but I'm still not exactly sanguine about the impossibility of that trigger getting pressed unintentionally.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 09:56 PM
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10. asshole.. oops That is actually an insult to assholes.....
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miscsoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 09:57 PM
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11. "Don't attack my dog or you might get shot ... if you're a coyote,"
Edited on Tue Apr-27-10 10:00 PM by miscsoc
This little comment is so ridiculous it makes my head hurt.

"Don't crawl around in my bath or you might get flushed away...if you're a SPIDER!!!"

Even if he wasn't making it up, it's not much of a macho feat to shoot a goddamn coyote, is it?
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miscsoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:03 PM
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14. also there is a pretty obvious subtext here re: liberals
i.e. a LIBERAL wouldn't shoot a coyote who was messing with their dog. They would be understanding towards the dog and perhaps try to rehabilitate it and understand the root causes. I shot the dog, vote for me.

Seriously, on some subconscious level this is actually what conservatives are thinking.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:12 PM
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24. This liberal sure as hell would.
Nobody messes with my dogs. ;)
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:24 PM
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41. Mine, either! I'd wrestle a bear over my babies ;) n/t
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:12 PM
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23. "it's not much of a macho feat to shoot a......."
You're joking, right?
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miscsoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:16 PM
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31. it might be tricky
Edited on Tue Apr-27-10 10:31 PM by miscsoc
but it's not macho

i mean it's not particularly impressive to TRY to shoot it, which perry seems to think it is. that's what pretty much everyone would do in the situation. might be impressive to succeed, i'd imagine it might take some skill. never fired a gun myself.

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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 07:43 PM
Response to Reply #31
110. "never fired a gun myself" - thank you for
your honesty.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:23 PM
Original message
He is making this up
Perry said the laser-pointer helped make a quick, clean kill.

"It was not in a lot of pain," he said. "It pretty much went down at that particular juncture." ( who talks like that?)

snip

The governor left the coyote where it fell.

"He became mulch," Perry said. (go ahead make my day type line)

*****************************

BTW i have raised labs ... never jogged with small puppies .... and I have shot and killed coyotes too .....

my b.s. meter is pegging on this story.
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miscsoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:27 PM
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42. pretty much sums up what i think is dubious abt this
Edited on Tue Apr-27-10 10:28 PM by miscsoc
he describes it like a war experience or something.

also if you were shooting a coyote to stop it attacking your dog why would you be worrying about a "quick, clean kill"? you'd just try to kill it.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:31 PM
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45. Well it all depends on the "particular juncture" you are at.
I think Rick has bought himself an armload of shit w/ his story.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:05 PM
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15. Didn't I read this same thing about another killer of the wild not long ago?
Who and where was that?
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:08 PM
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17. I have the same gun w/the same CT sights and would have done the same.
Nobody or nothing comes after my dogs without a fight.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:11 PM
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22. Why would someone jog with a puppy on a trail known to have critter hazards?
It's bad enough having an untrained dog jogging with you but a puppy that is likely to snoop around like a 2 year old kid.
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:13 PM
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25. Unless it was rabid, I don't believe this for a second.
No healthy coyote would attack an animal larger than it, or even the same size--coyotes tend to retreat pretty fast from anything bigger. They can sometimes be a danger to small dogs and cats, but unless there's an underlying health problem (like rabies) then I don't see a coyote attempting to attack an adult Labrador Retriever. It goes against everything I've ever read or heard about the nature of coyotes.

Most likely this chickenshit SAW a coyote, and shot at it. Then he embellished the hell out of the whole thing and made up the "attack" in order to make himself look "manly". I wonder if he'll tell us that he did it while wearing a flight suit and a cod piece, too?

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

:rofl:
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:14 PM
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29. I might get a lot of shit for this post but from personal experience...
Encounters with random animals like that can be fucking dangerous. If you spot a coyote or a bobcat on your walk, you might want to pick another route.
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Dumak Donating Member (397 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 11:45 PM
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61. I think I'd break out laughing if I saw a bobcat trying to hunt me down
They're barely bigger than a house cat.
If it was a cougar/mountain lion, I might be more concerned.
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 09:58 AM
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93. If it's infected with rabies it only takes a nic. Then who'd be laughing?
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mwrguy Donating Member (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 05:05 PM
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104. A bobcat fucked these guys up pretty good
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 05:21 PM
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107. I wonder if they laughed before it attacked???
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mwrguy Donating Member (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 05:27 PM
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108. In the video
One guy tried taking a close-up picture, then it goes apeshit on his head.
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east texas lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 05:50 PM
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118. You'd laugh 'till it got a hold of you...
After that there would be screaming, running and bleeding (mostly done by you). I'd regard one with a very healthy combination of fear and respect.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:17 PM
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32. Bullshit story, fabricated for the image he's trying to sell of himself.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:18 PM
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33. Perry is a fucking idiot, I don't care what action performed.
People shoot coyotees all the time, every day in Texas and many parts of the South West. Perry must be getting nervous about losing to pull something this callow and insipid.
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lies and propaganda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:18 PM
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34. are Hollow Points not illegal there? n/t
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:20 PM
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38. Doubt it.
Hollow points are the most recommended personal defense bullets. Generally they stop at the intended target, unlike FMJ's.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:27 PM
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43. No, only NJ prohibits hollow points, AFAIK..
.. which are actually safer for bystanders than full metal jacketed round, which tend to go right through a target an into something (or someone) else.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 07:53 AM
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83. Only idiots ban hollow points.
Full Metal Jackets tend to go through targets and they also ricochet very "well".

So shoot a criminal round goes through him and kills the child behind him.
Or shot a criminal miss, round ricochets and hits a bystander.

Due to "overpentration" most (all?) Police Dept switched from full metal jackets to hollowpoints.

Of course only a few states that get their firearm knowledge from movies and think hollowpoints will explode a target ban them. There is not a single logical, fact based reason to ban hollowpoints. Then again most "gun control" has nothing to do with facts or logic.
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 10:00 AM
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94. It is considered a liability to NOT use hollow point bullets. Full metal jacketed bullets
often will exit out the other side and are a potential hazard for bystanders. Hollow points do a better job of stopping than FMJs and are safer for innocent bystanders. To outlaw them is to act out of ignorance.
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 05:20 PM
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105. No, they aren't. Why should they be? N/T
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 07:48 PM
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112. newsflash - this happened in Texas, not
in Kalifornia.

And just in case you didn't know, the rest of this great country has not drunk the Feinenstein koolaid. Well, except maybe for that loon in Chicago....and the dip in DC.....and Nutter in PA and....



:rofl:
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:20 PM
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36. Yeah, Do you really need a hollow point bullet to kill a timid coyotee? Perry the coward...
Edited on Tue Apr-27-10 11:00 PM by AnArmyVeteran
If he was a man he would have used his hands and wit instead of only thinking about his lusts for death.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:20 PM
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37. Hollow points for snakes?
Idiot or Marksman? Get some snake shot in there too. Every other, then double tap.

-Hoot
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:23 PM
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40. Having never shot a snake...
but having killed plenty with a shovel, IMO he should have been lugging a shovel around if it was only snakes he was afraid of, LOL.

The gun he carried is really small, hollow points are standard for all-around personal defense. I can't stand the guy but I probably would have done the same thing.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:52 PM
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47. I ran accross a guy in a swamped boat once...
A snake had fallen out of a tree into the bottom of his rowboat...


Yep. He had 6 nice holes in the bottom and the snake swam away.

:rofl:

-Hoot
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:58 PM
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51. *snort*
I hope to god he wasn't down in the 'glades!
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 06:18 AM
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71. Actually it was in the Pearl River delta
On the Miss/La border.

-Hoot
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 05:21 PM
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106. HP would be a general purpose round that can be used on anything. N/T
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:23 PM
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39. I'd shoot a coyote that attacked my dog
I've shot a few of them that tried to carry off lambs back when we had sheep.

Never had that kind of confidence in my marksmanship with a pistol at that range.

Most of the time I used an old Winchester 94 (.30-30 cal.)

Like a true liberal I would prefer to reason with the coyotes, but they were kinda stupid and unreceptive to discussion (like republicans).

This story sounds like bullshit to me.
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Incitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:37 PM
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46. 'Heroic' Vladimir Putin saves TV crew from jaws of Siberian tiger


Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has tried to boost his macho image by shooting tranquilisers at a Siberian tiger.

Putin, dressed in combat fatigues, was with a team of wildlife researchers in the Ussuri reserve in Russia's far east when the tiger escaped its harness and headed towards a television crew.

Armed with a tranquiliser gun, Putin shot at the tiger, which soon slumped to the ground.

Russian media hailed the prime minister's efforts as heroic.

"He immediately fired from a special gun which scientists use to immobilise animals, and hit the tigress in its shoulder blade," according to one reporter quoted in Britain's Daily Mail.

"The tigress was immediately sedated."

After the tiger was sedated, Putin helped measure its teeth and place a satellite tracking device around its neck.

However, some sceptics suggested the incident had been set up so the TV crew could capture the powerful image of Putin shooting the tiger.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/putin-saves-tv-crew-from-jaws-of-tiger---a-hrefhttpmediafairfaxcomaurid41259bvideoba/2008/09/02/1220121171587.html
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Fla_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:53 PM
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48. nice shooting, Tex
:evilgrin:
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:57 PM
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49. Coyotes are timid. If you believe one charged a grown man and a dog,
you're almost dumb enough to be the governor of Texas.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 11:40 PM
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57. A rabid one would have
so, if the story is true, not so dumb. Like Carter & the attack rabbit.

dg
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:57 PM
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50. If Perry was a REAL MAN he wouldn't need a gun. He'd use his hands. What a baby....
Edited on Tue Apr-27-10 11:01 PM by AnArmyVeteran
If he was a man he would have used his hands and wit instead of only thinking about his lusts for death.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 11:39 PM
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56. taking a puppy with you while jogging in an undeveloped area, and shooting a coyote
what a fucking asshole.

How dare that coyote live there.

I hate some people.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 11:42 PM
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59. yeah, how dare he shoot a coyote that was attacking his dog?
:eyes:

now, if the story turns out that he was just taking pot shots at a coyote that was slinking away, then I'll join you in heaping scorn on Goodhair. I dare you to tell me you'd let a coyote rip your dog to pieces while you stood & watched & did nothing, just so I can say "Bullshit."

dg
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 11:44 PM
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60. there is no way a coyote would attack his dog if it was with him
Edited on Tue Apr-27-10 11:45 PM by Beaverhausen
coyotes aren't that big and they won't attack a human. They are all around where I live and yes, they eat small animals (like cats, etc) but not if they are with humans.

coyotes don't deserve to be shot just because they are out doing what coyotes do.

What if that was a mother coyote with pups back in the den?
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 11:48 PM
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62. what if it was rabid? You willing to risk that?
:eyes:

dg
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 11:54 PM
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63. ooh rolling your eyes...so tough, aren't you?
he was jogging in an 'undeveloped area'

You take your chances when you do that.

I have taken hikes in Griffith Park in Los Angeles countless times and happened upon coyotes. Just me and the coyote. I have never felt threatened. I was never armed with anything. Then again I didn't bring a small animal with me.

Coyotes have the right to live in these areas. They were there first.

Fuck him and anyone who thinks he did the right thing.
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 10:08 AM
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95. He did the right thing. Humans have just as much right to the land
as the wild animals. If a wild (possibly rabid) animal wants to challenge a person - well, there is a reason that humans are considered to be the top of the food chain.
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Scout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 06:28 PM
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109. so let me get this straight.... you and that other poster keep saying
"what if it was rabid" "it attacked him"

if he thought it was rabid, shouldn't he have had the body tested????

i don't believe his story for one minute. and before you jump in my shit, yes, we have coyotes in michigan.
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 07:47 PM
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111. I'm not going to speak to this person's honesty or lack there of. IF, the story is
correct then he did do the correct thing. Coyotes are normally very timid and run from people. If however, it is rabid it will not be frightened off - not even from a human yelling at it as described in this incident.

Hell, at the University I went to in Corpus we actually had coyotes on campus. Had to "clean up" after them every morning Ha Ha. And yes they were harmless and ran from people. If they had been aggressive toward people there would have been an eradication effort started immediately.
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 04:54 PM
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116. "Coyotes have the right to live in these areas. They were there first."
Oh really?

Let me guess, the boxed set of Blazing Saddles is your reference material?
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 07:55 PM
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113. "coyotes ~ won't attack a human"
Google "coyote attacks woman" and get back to us with more of your gems of wisdom.

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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 04:28 PM
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114. the family dog is far more likely to kill a human than a coyote
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 04:51 PM
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115. um, maybe, JUST MAYBE that is
because family dogs are in the vicinity of families 1,000 times more often than coyotes are in the vicinity of families?


duuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrr
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Incitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 12:02 AM
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64. So then he went home and called the AP to tell them he shot a coyote?
Edited on Wed Apr-28-10 12:06 AM by Incitatus
weird
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 12:07 AM
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66. So what did Rick do next? Finish the jog? Field dress the coyote? Call animal disposal?
My best guess is he probably had to deal with a painful boner after that little scene.

Seriously, tho, who goes jogging with a .38 strapped on? Or was it just tucked into his jockey strap?
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 08:52 AM
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86. Not a .38, but a .380. They are two different cartridges.
A .380 has the same diameter but is much shorter and fires a lighter bullet. The Ruger .380 LCP is a very tiny gun.

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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 12:27 PM
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102. I wouldn't know, I carry a .45
Granted, we have occasional Cougars where I 'jog'.
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miyazaki Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 12:52 AM
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67. ya i feel better about this guy already.
and the snakes too? hope he shoots his balls off.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 02:50 AM
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69. Sounds like a fish tale to me
No witnesses, just the hair and the ego and a dog who ain't talking.

I lived in the country too, Mr. Governor man, and I say you're full of shit.
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panzerfaust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 06:36 AM
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72. Disappointing. By "Coyote" I thought he meant those who arrange to smuggle people across the border.
- and that he had shot one of those people to make our State safe.

I mean, a laser-sighted hollow-pointed hand-cannon seems overkill for a snake: That's why they make snakeloads (pelleted round) for .22s (not manly enough for my gov though I guess).

Besides, the hand-cannon works so much better on the other Coyotes.

Shoulda killed it with his Bowie. Pussy.
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Fla_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 07:41 AM
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80. Hand-cannon?
You would classify a .380 as a hand-cannon? :rofl:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.380_ACP

The .380 ACP is compact and light, but has a relatively short range and less stopping power than other modern pistol cartridges.<5> Even so, it remains a popular self-defense cartridge for shooters who want a lightweight pistol with manageable recoil. It is slightly less powerful than a standard-pressure .38 Special and uses 9 mm (.355 in) diameter bullets.

A 9mm Kurz.. a hand-cannon. :eyes:
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 12:29 PM
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103. I would argue that a .380 is inadequate for anything larger than an angry housecat.
Yeah, yeah, I know, it's sort of equivalent to a 9mm. Sort of. Not on my list of things to bring to a coyote fight though.

I suspect that fellow is actually a pretty good shot, laser sight or otherwise.


(I do not advocate shooting cats, that's just a size reference)
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Saphire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 06:37 AM
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73. He's such an embarrassment...trying to out do sister sarah.
Edited on Wed Apr-28-10 06:37 AM by Saphire
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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 06:38 AM
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74. Sounds like the stories told in North Korea about the 'Dear Leader'
It will evolve to he killed it with his bare hands in a year. ;)
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 07:00 AM
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77. I would think that he should have called the health department.
If indeed he actually killed a coyote that he suspected of being rabid he should have had it examined to see if the coyotes in that area were infected. I guess he is like most Republicans and doesn't get a shit about the wellbeing of his fellow man. I don't know about leaving a rabid animal if they could infect other animals that might prey on it. I have been around coyotes and was never threatened by them. I am very skeptical of his story.
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luvspeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 09:08 AM
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88. because he is afraid of snakes...
It's interesting how people who carry guns always are afraid of something.
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jazzhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 11:23 AM
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97. Because they're afraid of guns.....
It's interesting how anti-gun folks are always lying about the attitudes and motivations of gun owners.
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