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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 02:05 AM Original message |
The AMA, Firearms, and Intellectual Dishonesty |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 03:00 AM Response to Original message |
1. I suppose that a medical student who spends Saturday nights |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 06:11 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. You're missing the point... |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 07:28 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. You are combining both illegal and legal gun ownership and use. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:57 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. I'm not talking about the legal rights and wrongs. |
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TPaine7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 05:31 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. Doctors should be more rational than that. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 12:10 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. I don't know if this is still the case, |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 12:18 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Wonderful people who lose control is a myth. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 02:21 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. There are lots of accidents involving knives, but knives have purposes |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 07:53 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. It is a matter of trust of people. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 12:52 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Wonderful people do snap in a moment of anger. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 12:57 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Snap into a murderous rage? Nope. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 04:29 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Spousal abuse is often the only apparent history of violence, |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 07:42 AM Response to Reply #36 |
52. Spousal abuse is a hell of a history, though. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #36 |
55. That is still a violent history, even if it isn't public knowledge. |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 12:59 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. We do think about it, but more importantly ----- we *research* it. |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 04:14 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. That's pretty much a myth |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 04:38 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. I've known of angry spouses who used cars or other dangerous things |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 06:01 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. Your post contains both an untruth and a non sequitur, in two consecutive sentences |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 02:55 AM Response to Reply #37 |
50. Two things clearly displayed with this post |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 07:46 AM Response to Reply #37 |
53. Guns are hardly an impersonal way of killing something. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 02:59 PM Response to Reply #37 |
56. Very few of us oppose ALL gun regulation. |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 08:59 AM Response to Reply #37 |
62. As noted in my post #61, Japan apparently sees a domestic murder-suicide every day |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 01:06 PM Response to Reply #37 |
65. Hidden gun stolen. |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 05:23 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Professional thieves make off with valuables "expertly hidden" all the time |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:39 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. targeted vs opportunistic. |
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Katya Mullethov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 03:17 PM Response to Reply #65 |
73. Frank Frazetta's son did that recently to his gallery |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 01:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. Much like the police who think search and seizure laws interfere with getting the bad guys |
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Travis Coates (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 01:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
13. I worked in the ER for several years |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 02:30 AM Response to Reply #13 |
20. In what city did you work in the ER? |
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Travis Coates (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 06:55 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Tacoma WA and Colorado Springs |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 12:48 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. If you are a doctor, then you have known many people who are mentally ill. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:06 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. One doesn't need to be a doctor to have known some mentally ill people. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 04:40 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. So you need a gun to be a safe. But the guy down the street who |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 03:04 PM Response to Reply #38 |
57. Tough luck. Life isn't always fair. Blind people can't drive either. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 12:09 PM Response to Reply #38 |
63. He should have a process for re-obtaining that right, just as a felon might. |
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Travis Coates (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:43 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. I'm not a Dr. I'm a Nurse |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 04:50 PM Original message |
It's just something I have always wanted to ask gun enthusiasts who |
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Travis Coates (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
40. I'm all for certain classes of convicts having a way |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
58. The OP was complaining about the AMA being dishonest. |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 10:08 PM Response to Reply #27 |
46. I'm a Firefighter/Paramedic |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 09:48 AM Response to Reply #1 |
24. I can understand you'd form such a view in those circumstances; however... |
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Travis Coates (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #24 |
33. Actually you do |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 04:56 PM Response to Reply #33 |
66. My wife wasn't brought in for monitoring. |
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Travis Coates (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #24 |
34. Actually you do |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 05:17 PM Response to Reply #24 |
41. Of course, guns don't cause crimes, but the up the ante when a crime is |
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Travis Coates (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 05:28 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Your disdain of "gun lovers" is only barely concealed |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 06:10 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. The problem doesn't lie with all gun owners, but with criminals who own guns |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 09:56 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. "If gun lovers want to argue in favor of gun ownership......... |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 02:17 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. I have taken care of the gun culture problem in my life. |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 02:39 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. When you think about gun safety you *of course* think about the Cheney |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 02:47 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. I think you have lots to think about. |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 02:59 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Strawman argument |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 01:42 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. And *I* think *you* should be advocating for .... |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 03:20 PM Response to Reply #49 |
60. There are those who do wish to take away our guns. |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 06:58 PM Response to Reply #49 |
68. A culture of criminality |
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Katya Mullethov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 11:10 PM Response to Reply #68 |
74. That may all be quite painfully true |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 03:15 PM Response to Reply #41 |
59. You are conflating LEGAL and ILLEGAL gun ownership. |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 10:01 PM Response to Reply #41 |
61. I'm far from convinced guns even up the ante |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 12:15 PM Response to Reply #41 |
64. Hold on a second |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 07:30 AM Response to Original message |
4. No progress on gun violence |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:18 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. The NRA is not blind to provisions that actually work. |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 12:37 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. I don't think buying a gun from a FFL dealer |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. The NRA supports the NICS. |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 01:17 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. They say nothing about |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 02:08 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Since it is not a Federal issue |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Please point to where the NRA is against it. N/T |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:43 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Actually, there are plenty of people who don't think non-leo civilians should not have access to ... |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 10:12 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. In today's society all we do is fight over issues like children in a school yard ... |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 05:50 AM Response to Reply #7 |
21. Agreeing with Daley makes me feel dirty... |
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DonP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 10:45 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. It's just another plea bargaining chip |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 12:03 PM Response to Reply #4 |
26. Agreed..........but I think it should be added that we'll see no progress |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
39. AMA claims 22% of MDs and students as members but probably less. n/t |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 04:05 AM Response to Original message |
70. kick NT |
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71. kick NT |
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72. Another classic worth of a kick. |
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