80 year old forced to buy gun to do battle in America.

[sharesunited]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=319719&mesg_id=319719

[PavePusher]

1. Uhh, echo chamber, much? n/t

[sharesunited]

2. Teaspoon in the ocean of contemptible pro gun advocacy.

[Katya Mullethov]

10. Unfortunately you need much more than a tablespoon*

Of gray matter to avoid getting scalped every time you stick your head up .


* For those who have been raised by the village there are three teaspoons in a tablespoon , unless you are from Oz , then it is four .

[pipoman]

3. And to think, there are actually those out there who wish to strip this 80

year old of his right not to get his head blown off or kicked in by someone who wishes him harm....idiots, huh?

[rrneck]

4. You need some fresh bait.

What you're using is really starting to stink.

[Name removed]

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[benEzra]

6. In the gun-control paradise of Chicago, no less, yes? (n/t)

[GreenStormCloud]

7. You would have an 80 yr old fight a burglar with his bare hands?

I carry guns so that I won't have to fight if trouble comes to me.

[Lurks Often]

8. So by your logic

it would have been perfectly ok for the criminal to beat the 80 year old man to death, possibly along with his wife and great grandson, as long as no one used a gun?

Please provide an explanation how an 80 year old man, who walks with a cane, can protect himself against a criminal in his 30's, who breaks into his house?

[Katya Mullethov]

9. No

Guns cause crime . And lest we forget .....any mention of the customs and habits of criminal street gangs and freelancing brigands is patently racist . Ignore their misdeeds and concentrate on screwing with a demographic that WILL DO as they are told .

[old mark]

11. This 62 year old diabetic owns several guns and has a license to carry them.

And I do, every time I leave home. My wife who is disabled has her own revolver - an old police Smith & Wesson Model 15 Combat Masterpiece. She was raised Jewish big city liberal anti gun, learned to shoot an old .357 Magnum about 15 years ago and loves it. Old and disabled people are seen as targets of opportunity by some people, but we refuse to go quietly.

mark

[Callisto32]

12. What you came for.

Enjoy!

[oneshooter]

13. What, no answers? n/t

[Callisto32]

14. Of course not.

What did you expect? Discussion?

:rofl:

[Katya Mullethov]

16. I brought an extra spoon tonight

Its pretty big though . More of a ladle .

[east texas lib]

15. In related news, anti-RKBA DU'er forced to use elderly gun owner as agenda fodder...

Because he has nothing else.

[pipoman]

17. I want to know why this old bastard isn't

in jail charged with a whole slew of firearms and murder charges?

Could it be that the mayor is a complete FAKE? That his commitment to his completely ineffective gun control policies are in fact all talk and no do? That the mayor knows his entire gun control policy hangs in the balance of this case? That he will loose if he enforces his idiotic laws and he looses if he doesn't?

Com'mon Mayor Daley, take your foot out of your mouth and proceed...I dare ya'...political suicide and all don'cha know...maybe retirement and fading into obscurity isn't such a bad option after all, huh?

[Nailzberg]

18. I'm by no means a legal expert, but its my interpretation he can't be charged due to the DeMar law.

I feel you're saying that sarcastically anyway, but they shouldn't be able to charge him due to a loophole law that protects homeowners against handgun bans passed by localities in Illinois *IF* a handgun is used in self defense in your home.

In 2003, Hale DeMar, a homeowner in suburban Wilmette, IL, with a handgun ban in place, shot and wounded an intruder in his home and was charged by the village prosecutor. (The Cook County state's attorney, on the other hand, did not prosecute DeMar for not possessing a valid Firearm Owners ID card.) The home invader had actually broken in the night before, and broke in again the next night. Supposedly DeMar's handgun was locked in a safe, in the original packaging, and he only loaded for the first time after the first break-in. So he's hardly what people would consider a "gun nut". The IL General Assembly passed legislation a few months later superseding home rule by local governments that protects homeowners from prosecution if they use a handgun in self-defense within their home.

You could still be charged with owning a handgun if it was discovered in an investigation of another nature. So if you had a handgun stolen in a burglary and reported it, for instance, you could be charged with violating the ban.

Its pretty illogical way of doing things (that's IL for ya), but it was an election year and sending an otherwise law-abiding citizen to jail to make a stand against guns is like touching plutonium. Even most those that voted against the bill were only in objection to superseding home rule, but still had compassion for DeMar's situation. (I work in media these days, but was doing a post-college stint as an opposition researcher back then. I read all the transcripts from the assembly regarding that bill at the time). As for DeMar, I think he ended up with a small fine for violating the ban, but was never charged in the actual shooting. I don't know if that fine was ever enforced by the courts or appealed, the scope of my job at the time was researching voting records, and I moved to CA a short time after.

In the case of this 80 year old defending himself, I don't think Daley can touch him. The handgun can probably be seized as evidence, but even if Daley wants CPD to charge him, the courts would have to side with the homeowner.

[pipoman]

19. You're right, I was being sarcastic

thanks for this info..I will read up on this later. I just wish for the victims and the future victims of the Daley, 'good for me but not for thee' policy on defense firearm ownership, that a public outcry would result in defeat of these ineffective policies once and for all.

[Nailzberg]

20. I don't know why people keep voting for hizhonor.

Sure, the trains run on time and the roads are clear of any snow, but the violence is outta control. Daley has a 24/7 CPD protection, even when he travels out of state. Couple of years ago a Chicago police officer on Daley's detail, made an arrest of an escaped prisoner outside Daley's vacation home in Michigan, which is good, but raises the topic of why law abiding Chicagoans can't legally defend their own homes. And all the aldermen are considered custodians of the law, a legal loophole which allows them to concealed carry, so basically everyone in charge in Chicago is out of touch with the realities of everyday citizens.

I'm not suggesting Chicagoans vote for republican candidates, there are other liberal candidates that run against Daley. But the Chicago handgun ban is not working to reduce crime. Outside the Chicagoland area, Illinois is very rural. Democrats in smaller areas like Springfield, Dekalb, and Carbondale, understand that a deputy may be unable to render assistance when seconds count. The IL GA has been democratically controlled for a while, but the nutjobs in Cook County need to get on the side of law abiding citizens. Downstate is the only reason DeMar passed.

[one-eyed fat man]

21. We are taking about the Duchy of Daley!?!

Since when have voters had to live in Chicago to vote there? Hell, when have they even been required to be ALIVE to vote in Chicago?

[Nailzberg]

22. I haven't lived there in six years and I can still vote there.

[pipoman]

23. Perhaps one of the all time

most effective, 'The Emperor’s New Suit' schemes of all time...Chicago politics in general that is..

[old mark]

24. I guess he would be better off unarmed and dead...Oh, and NOBODY

"Forced" him to buy a gun - he has the option and the right, and he choise to exercise that right.


mark