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jtb33 Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 05:59 PM
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Maybe our problem's not enough guns...
http://www.torontosun.com/Columnists/worthington_jan9.html



Arguably, the most useless boondoggle ever implemented by a Canadian government is gun registration - a step towards confiscation.

It's not the horrendous cost of nearly $1 billion (so far) that's the scandal - shucks, governments waste that all the time, witness our submarines that leak. It's that gun control may actually increase violent crime. The feds already fudge figures to pretend it works.

A new book in the U.S. by Richard Poe, The Seven Myths of Gun Control - is concise and powerful and should be required reading.

Poe has amassed impressive evidence that lack of guns among the public - in any country - increases burglaries and the criminal use of guns. Britain and Australia have already experienced this.

In the U.S., "hot burglaries" (when the house is occupied) account for 13% of all burglaries, while in Britain hot burglaries are 50% because criminals know there will be no gun in the home.

In the U.S., states that allow law-abiding citizens to carry concealed weapons have cut down random gun crimes and shootings - which is the goal of states with stringent gun-control laws.

A problem with gun registration is that it applies only to people who don't plan to use guns for illegal purposes.

Criminals break the law, and are unlikely to register guns before using them. That's a reality firearm abolitionists discount.

Another disquieting aspect of Poe's book - widely suspected but uncomfortable to mention - is that overwhelmingly, violent crime in the U.S. is blacks versus blacks.

In 1999 Kweisi Mfume, national president of the NAACP, noted: "Firearms homicide has been the leading cause of death among young African-American males for nearly 30 years."

Mfume blamed guns, and said he intended to sue gun manufacturers for "negligent marketing." Of course, this would do nothing to solve the question of why young black males kill one another. It's like banning cars because 50,000 people die on the roads every year.

According to FBI crime reports, blacks, who comprise 13% of the population, commit 42% of all violent crimes in the U.S. Young black males between 14 and 24 years old, who comprise 1% of the population, annually commit 30% of murders. These figures indicate a major social crisis.

As for murders, the U.S. Justice Department reported in 1992 that white Americans committed murder at a rate of 5.1 per 100,000 (roughly twice Canada's homicide rate) while black Americans killed at a rate of 43.4 per 100,000 - eight times that of whites. Over 90% of homicides against blacks are committed by other blacks. In other words, blacks are the greatest victims of violent crime as well.

To blame murders on guns is a copout. People do the killing - a point ignored by the Canadian government in its dementia to register and someday perhaps remove all firearms from the public.

Right now, law-abiding Canadians who have not complied with a law that cannot succeed in its goal, are deemed criminals.

As Poe points out, when only governments are armed, only people whom the government favours are protected.

A two-page foreword by David Horowitz to this provocative book says it all, and illustrates the essential folly of gun control legislation in Canada, and proposed legislation in the U.S., as favoured by the lib-left, the media, and academics.

Horowitz tells of a six-year-old in 1999 who walked into a Michigan classroom with a loaded handgun and shot and killed five-year-old Kayla Robbins.

In the ensuing public outcry against "gun violence," President Clinton held a press conference deploring the tragedy and called for mandatory trigger-locks on all handguns.

"In the fantasy world of liberal gun-control advocates, Kayla Robbins might be alive today if a trigger-lock requirement had been added to the 20,000-plus gun laws already on the books," wrote Horowitz.

"In the real world, the little boy who shot Kayla Robbins lived in a crack house run by his uncle who was a career criminal with three outstanding warrants for his arrest. He was living with his criminal uncle because his father was in jail and his drug-addicted mother was out of the picture. Is there any law the government can design that this 'family' would feel compelled to obey?"

This six-year-old did not buy the murder weapon at a gun show to avoid loopholes in existing laws. He did not buy the gun at all. He picked it up, already loaded, from a bed in the crack house where he lived.

These realities refute the idea that a trigger-lock would have saved Kayla Robbins' life.

Adds Horowitz: "In the fantasy world, guns cause violence and laws are obeyed. In the real world, individuals pull the triggers and it's they who cause violence ... Gun control is really about controlling law-abiding citizens ... (of) disarming law-abiding citizens in the face of those who would do them harm."

Need any more be said?



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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 06:08 PM
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1. Maybe our problem is ....
Edited on Fri Jan-09-04 06:11 PM by Trajan
Not enough suicide ??? ...

Not enough a-bombs ??? ...

Not enough genocide ???? ...

Not enough quotes of 'liberals' like David Horowitz in DU ??? ...

Not enough 'anti-gun-grabbers' in DU ??? ...

Not enough conservative 'gun afficiandos' posting in what was the liberal progressive forum known as Democratic Underground ??? ...

Remember: ... ALL gun regulation is 'evil communism' ...
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Wcross Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 10:30 PM
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3. Maybe our problem....
Is people who push for "gun control". Look at the 2000 election results for more info.

Not enough rapes?

Not enough home invasions?

Not enough "strong arm" robbery?

Not enough enforcement of gun laws we already have?

Not enough posters pretending to be liberal and rabidly anti-self defense?

Thats the way I see it.
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Jeep29 Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 11:08 PM
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5. Not enough genocide???
Historically, hasn't genocide happened to the folks who have been disarmed by their government? Its harder to exterminate six million armed Jews than it is unarmed ones. Look at Stalin's USSR, Rawanda, the former Yugoslavia, etc. The facts speak for themselves.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 09:19 AM
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9. David Horowitz's opinion is worthless...
Only a matter of time before one of the RKBA crowd to post Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter's worthless opinion here...

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Jeep29 Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 08:53 PM
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2. Wow...
...someone in the media that actually has a clue. Now if some of our own would catch on.
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 10:41 PM
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4. It Appears Our Problem Is.....
...people who ignore the DU rule about posting entire copyrighted items.

I've alerted the moderators.
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Jeep29 Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 11:10 PM
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6. What?
Did you read something that scared you? Sometimes the truth hurts.
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 01:52 PM
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13. I Read Someone Referencing David Whore-o-Witz as a Credible Source
Edited on Sat Jan-10-04 01:54 PM by CO Liberal
Therefore, the entire article is suspect, as far as I'm concerned.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 01:54 PM
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14. Next up from the RKBA crowd: Rush Limbaugh
or Ann Coulter....they're both pro-gun.
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jtb33 Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 12:37 AM
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7. Where's the "roll_eyes" icon?
"...people who ignore the DU rule about posting entire copyrighted items.

I've alerted the moderators."

Sorry, but I guess you could say (if you wanted to be TRUTHFUL rather than ASSUMING) that I was ignorant to that rule, and NOT ignoring it. I can't edit the post because it says my "timeframs" to edit it has "expired". It was a very short article, and I included the link to the original, so no copyright infringement was made nor intended. I guess if it's a HUGE issue, a moderator can edit the text to include the first "4 paragraphs".

Regardless, if that's all you have to say about it... it figures I suppose. I just thought it was unique that, finally, someone in the media actually "gets it" - and they are even in Canada.
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 09:12 AM
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8. Social crisis cause by economic reasons...
"According to FBI crime reports, blacks, who comprise 13% of the population, commit 42% of all violent crimes in the U.S. Young black males between 14 and 24 years old, who comprise 1% of the population, annually commit 30% of murders. These figures indicate a major social crisis."

More of the blame could be put on the lousy economic programs put forth by the very people that they expect to help them. They are responding in a very predictable way.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 09:34 AM
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10. Maybe our problem's
that the RKBA crowd never read anything but far right wing filth......

"A two-page foreword by David Horowitz to this provocative book says it all"
Yeah, it says "endorsed by right wing lunatics"
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demsrule4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 09:40 AM
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11. Wow I read novels and the local paper
and I'm still progun.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 09:42 AM
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12. Tell it to Bob Novak
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 02:17 PM
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15. I'm locking this thread
The original post violates copyright. Feel free to review the rules and snip a small portion of the article for repost and include the link to the website the article came from.

Thanks,

Lunabush
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