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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 02:40 PM
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Cook County Illinois pushes a petition to ban sales of semi-auto handguns in Illinois ...

NRA Challenges Illinois Semi-Automatic Gun Referendum

FAIRFAX, VA -- The National Rifle Association is backing a protest filed with the Electoral Board in Cook County, Illinois, in response to a petition to ban the sale of semi-automatic firearms across the state. The petition asks, “Shall the Governor and the members of the Illinois General Assembly enact legislation to ban the sale of semi-automatic and assault weapons that are used by criminals to threaten the lives of law enforcement and the people of Illinois?”

The petition is aimed at creating a referendum on the county's November ballot to prevent citizens of Illinois from being able to purchase semi-automatic firearms, which are the firearms most commonly bought for self-protection today. NRA member Selvin Morgan, a resident of Cook County, has filed an objection to this petition, and the NRA is supporting him in this effort. “The NRA will fight this and any other attempt to restrict the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding gun owners,” said Chris W. Cox, NRA-ILA chief lobbyist. “Semi-automatic firearms have been around for 125 years and are used everywhere in America for self-defense, competitive shooting at all levels and hunting. Banning the sale of these commonly owned firearms will do nothing to curb crime, because criminals pay no attention to the law.”

Although the names, addresses and signatures of more than 83,000 Cook County residents are required in order for the question raised by the petition to make it onto the ballot, the petitioner has gathered and submitted information for only approximately 2,500 people -- many of whom are lacking valid names, addresses and signatures.

This petition and Mr. Morgan’s protest to the petition will be the subject of a hearing before the Cook County Electoral Board in the coming weeks. At that time, NRA will assist Mr. Morgan in asking that this referendum be stricken from the ballot.
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/nra-challenges-illinois-semi-automatic-gun-referendum




Governor Quinn Steps Up Attacks On Law-Abiding Firearm Owners

CHICAGO, Aug. 10 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The following was released today by the ISRA Political Victory Fund (ISRA-PVF):

Law-abiding Illinois firearm owners are under a renewed attack by Gov. Pat Quinn's re-election campaign. After receiving the endorsement of a radical gun control group last week, Quinn's campaign is now the apparent mastermind of a plan to place a referendum on the November ballot that would call for the banning of a wide variety of popular hunting and target firearms.

Petition documents filed with the Illinois State Board of Elections show the title of the proposed referendum as being "Petition to Ban the Sale on Semi-Automatic and Assault Weapons." Notarized signatures on over 100 pages of petitions show one "Maz Jackson" as being the petition circulator. Maz Jackson is a top field operative for the Quinn gubernatorial re-election campaign.

"It appears that Pat Quinn plans to attack hunters and sportsmen from every angle," commented ISRA-PVF spokesman, Richard Pearson. "First he throws in with the likes of gun control extremists Jim and Sarah Brady, and now his campaign staff is circulating petitions seeking to ban most of the privately owned firearms in the state. Once again, Pat Quinn has shown himself to be more in step with Mayor Daley and the Chicago power structure than he is with the vast majority of Illinois citizens."emphasis added
http://www.isra.org/



Gun Control Group Endorses Pat Quinn For Illinois Governor
August 9, 2010 by Personal Liberty News Desk

Still lagging in the polls, Democratic Illinois Governor Pat Quinn has picked up an endorsement from a radical gun control organization.

The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence (BCPGV) is lending its support in recognition of Quinn’s tougher stance on the issue than that of his Republican opponent, State Senator Bill Brady, according to The Associated Press (AP).

is someone who is taking the attitude that more guns in more places is somehow going to make us safer. That makes no sense at all," said Paul Helmke, president of the Washington, D.C.-based organization, quoted by the news provider.
http://www.personalliberty.com/news/gun-control-group-endorses-pat-quinn-for-illinois-governor-19919569/



Brady Campaign Endorses Governor Pat Quinn in Illinois
Aug 3, 2010

Washington, D.C. - The national Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, represented by its President, Paul Helmke, today joined with Illinois Governor Pat Quinn in Chicago’s Ogden Park to endorse Governor Quinn for election to a full term as Illinois Governor and to urge Illinois voters who want to fight gun violence to support Quinn.

“In less than two years on the job, Governor Quinn has already taken strong stances on preventing gun violence in Illinois and he supports legislation to make it harder for dangerous people to get dangerous weapons,” said Paul Helmke, President of the Brady Campaign. “We want the people of Illinois to know that there is a clear choice in this election - a choice between a Governor who wants to fight the gun violence problems that have caused so much suffering in the state and a challenger who has voted consistently with the gun lobby.”

Gov. Quinn recently formed the Illinois Anti-Violence Commission to bring a grassroots, community-based approach to confronting the deadly violence facing many Illinois communities. He has also signed into law two measures to enhance public safety: one to protect railroad shipments of firearms and other weapons that may be targeted by gangs, and the other requiring a mandatory one- to three-year prison sentence for aggravated unlawful use of a weapon without an Illinois firearm registration card.

Gov. Quinn’s opponent, State Sen. Bill Brady, in contrast, has sided with the gun lobby by voting against banning large capacity ammunition magazines and supporting bills to make it easier to carry loaded, concealed handguns in public.

“Governor Quinn and State Senator Brady bring very different agendas to the issue of gun violence prevention,” Helmke said. “Voters in Chicago and throughout Illinois should know that Sen. Brady voted to allow access to high capacity ammunition magazines that can hold 30, 50 and even 75 bullets. These magazines are used in military-style assault weapons to kill a lot people in a short amount of time.” In 2008, Sen. Brady received an A rating from the NRA as well as their endorsement.

“On common sense gun laws, Governor Quinn truly represents the vast majority of Illinois citizens,” Helmke said, “and he will be a strong voice for reducing gun violence in the years to come if he is returned to the Governor’s office.”
http://www.bradycampaign.org/media/press/view/1275/


I thank God that I don't live under King Daley's rule. (I often wonder why I have more firearms rights than those in some states and cities. I won't want to be a second class citizen like those in Chicago.)

I am what's called a "wheel gunner" as I prefer revolvers for self defense. I believe in the KISS principle (Keep It Simple, Stupid). To be fair, I have to admit that I am a little behind the times. While revolvers are extremely reliable, recently manufactured semi-auto pistols are also almost as reliable. Many people that I know prefer to use a semi-auto handgun for self defense. The choice should be up the the individual and whatever he/she is most comfortable with is important for accuracy and effectiveness.

I attempted to include both viewpoints on the issue to foster discussion. While I disagree with the majority of the viewpoints the Brady Campaign exposes, many on this forum favor them over the NRA or other pro-RKBA organizations.





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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 02:55 PM
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1. You mean the NRA opposes a referendum on civil rights? I hope the NRA filed an ...
amicus brief in support of striking down Prop 8 as being an unlawful referendum on a community's civil rights.

I would oppose this referendum.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 03:10 PM
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3. The NRA is a one issue organization, that issue is RKBA.
That's why they are so effective.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 03:11 PM
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4. We don't generally apportion Civil Rights by popularity in this country.
They are supposed to apply equally to everyone, everywhere. You'll note there's a lot of work going on to fix a few flaws in this in various places.

And the NRA is a one-issue organisation. As an organisation, they probably don't take a stance on gay rights it's not their reason for existance.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 05:17 PM
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10. Communities don't have rights. Only people have rights.
Communities have powers.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 03:00 PM
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2. I hae quite a few auto pistols - the designs of most of them are quite old.
I have a small Spanish pistol based on the 1903 John Browning design, 2 pistols based on the 1911 John Browning design (the old Army/Government model Colt .45 ACP automatic, one based on a Carl Walther design from 1929 or so (The PPK) and one based on a wierd design by Smith & Wesson in the 1980's (the Model 2214, a smaller .22 pistol no longer made.)
I also have several revolvers, all Smith & Wessons whose basic design dates to the 1880's.

I wonder if we should all be forced to use 19th century cars as well - there are far more vehicle deaths that gun deaths of any description per year... and far more accidental deaths from swimming than from guns...maybe Chicago should ban pools and bath tubs.

mark
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 04:31 PM
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7. A co-worker once picked up an older Spanish pistol ...
and asked me about it. I did some research and found that many were made in small family owned shops. The quality varied from poor to excellent.

He was very satisfied with his pistol.
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 03:21 PM
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5. I love the wording on the petition there...
“Shall the Governor and the members of the Illinois General Assembly enact legislation to ban the sale of semi-automatic and assault weapons that are used by criminals to threaten the lives of law enforcement and the people of Illinois?”


The lack of a comma between "weapon" and "that" would actually mean that, at most, the state would gain permission to ban only semi-autos that are actually used by criminals. Meaning that any semi-automatic firearm that has not been used by a criminal "to threaten the lives of law enforcement and the people of Illinois" would not be covered by the ban. Which would exclude the sale of any newly manufactured firearm, since it cannot possibly have been used in such a manner prior to sale.

This is why proper punctuation is important.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 04:27 PM
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6. Good catch! ...
I find your posts enlightening and insightful.
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 05:06 PM
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9. Flattery will get you nowhere!
By which I mean, "aw shucks, thank you; I try."
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shadowrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 05:36 PM
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11. Let me re-word it the question
“Shall the Governor and the members of the Illinois General Assembly enact legislation to ban the sale of semi-automatic and assault weapons that are used by criminals to threaten the lives of law enforcement and the people of Illinois? citizens of the State of Illinois to defend themselves from thugs and criminals that endanger the communities at large and the lives of law enforcement personnel?”
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Callisto32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 11:54 AM
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21. Beyond proper punctuation, that thing is loaded to the muzzle.
Kinda like "do you support the making of laws that punish people that kick puppies and hate children!?!?!"
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 04:43 PM
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8. Uh, Mayor Daley...
What is the definition of an "assault weapon?"

All I ever saw from the Feds was a laundry list of cosmetic features and safety gear, and that's been inoperative since September 2004 (thank God).
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shadowrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 05:38 PM
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12. Come on dude, everyone knows an assault weapon has the should thing that goes up.
Edited on Mon Aug-16-10 05:38 PM by shadowrider
Sheesh.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 08:06 AM
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13. Bookmarking this for the next time a gun control advocate
claims that "nobody is trying to ban anyone's guns."

Semiautomatic firearms (i.e., those that fire one and only one shot when the trigger is pulled, and divert some of the energy produced to eject the empty case and reload the chamber) easily constitute 70 percent of the guns lawfully sold in the United States.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 09:13 AM
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14. And their retort will be...
"But that's not all guns..."
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Katya Mullethov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 09:20 AM
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15. Cant argue with that , can ya ?
Don't be so afraid ,nobody is going to take away your little pop guns .
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 10:25 AM
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16. What an elegant position. I feel enlightened and informed
from reading that post. Do you have a point?
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 10:45 AM
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17. I think it was sarcasm...
and she/he is correct...the gun-control lobby doesn't want to ban ALL guns, just like the Religious Right doesn't want to ban ALL abortions or ALL books, the Temperance movement didn't want to ban ALL alcohol, and Focus on the Family doesn't want to revoke ALL rights of GLBT people. So it's all OK, right? :eyes:
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 10:49 AM
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18. Looked like condescension.. my bad (nt)
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 11:16 AM
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19. Katya indulges in sarcasm, but is on the pro-RKBA side. n/t
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Callisto32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 11:52 AM
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20. I can already see the signatures...
"A. Brown, C. Brown, D. Brown,..... A. Martinez, B. Martinez, C. Martinez......et cetera."
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 12:37 PM
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22. Daly & Co.: keeping gun-control alive for the next election. Lovely. nt
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