What gun law would have prevented this tragedy?

[jody]

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What drove a Eufaula fire medic to lead police on a chase through town, finally forcing them to gun him down? The answers remain a mystery,
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[MrBenchley]

Funny

The news story doesn't say a thing about where he got that gun...

He could have walked into any gun show in Alabama and bought one without a background check...

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[demsrule4life]

24. My mistake

Since you mostly hurl insults I didn't read your post close enough. The four guns were bought in gun shops. I have never been to a gun show, guess I will have to check out the next one in town and take advantage of those loopholes.

[MrBenchley]

25. Hey you don't have to tell me that

"I have never been to a gun show, guess I will have to check out the next one in town and take advantage of those loopholes. "
Be sure and buy some Nazi memorabilia and pick up some white supremacist literature too...RKBA enthusaists LOVE that kind of stuff.

[demsrule4life]

29. Should I buy those things to remind me of relatives

I lost in Dachau? I was just wondering whenever you use the word scum are you looking in the mirror?

[Warpy]

3. I don't think where he got the gun is as important

...as the possibility he was committing sucide by cop.

Cops are reporting a huge increase in this. It's hard on the system, and especially hard on the cop, most of whom are good guys who really don't want to go out and shoot people.

[BullDozer]

5. Don't let facts get in your way

I've noticed that they never do anyway.

And he could have found the gun laying in the middle of the street too. I've got just as much proof of that as you do your claim which is just another jab from you to try and bolster your stupid idea that person to person firearm sales need to be shut down.

[MrBenchley]

8. Gee, dozer

Could you sound a bit more desperate?
"he could have found the gun laying in the middle of the street too."

Aw, pick a realistic alternative...Maybe the gun faeries brought it to him....

Or maybe he found it under a cabbage leaf.....


"just another jab from you to try and bolster your stupid idea that person to person firearm sales need to be shut down."
It's called the gun show loophole...and gun nuts are always lying and saying it doesn't exist.

[MrBenchley]

1. Funny

The news story doesn't say a thing about where he got that gun...

He could have walked into any gun show in Alabama and bought one without a background check...

[Iluvleiberman]

6. You do need to go through NICS at a gun show

in EVERY state.

[MrBenchley]

7. Not even close to true

The gun show loophole is gaping open in most states...including Alabama...

[BullDozer]

9. Tell some more falsehoods

As if when someone steps into a gunshow then suddenly and magically no laws apply in the "gun show zone"!

That's what you want people to believe but in reality ALL the laws that apply outside of a gun show damn well apply inside of one.

The laws are already on the books to handle that which you call the gun show loophole.

[MrBenchley]

10. I'm not the one lying

and pretending there's no gun show loophole.

Now peddle your rubbish to someone dumb enough to believe it.

"Senators John McCain and Joe Lieberman are sponsoring a bi-partisan bill to require background checks at gun shows that would finally close the dangerous loophole in our laws that allows criminals, domestic abusers and even terrorists to get guns. The McCain-Lieberman Instant Check Gun Show Bill (S. 890) would stop illegal buyers from evading background checks while respecting the rights of law-abiding individuals who purchase guns at gun shows. There is a House of Representatives counterpart to McCain-Lieberman, H.R. 2377, which is sponsored by Representatives Mike Castle (R-DE) and Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY). The highlights of the bill include:

• Requiring a criminal background check at all gun shows and public events where at least 75 guns are available for sale;
• Assisting states with the automation of their criminal history records (making all gun background checks faster and easier);
• Allowing for more rapid background checks for private dealers when states can show that an instant check will not let criminals and other illegal buyers get guns;
• Improving enforcement and increasing penalties for criminals who lie on background checks;
• Providing more money for Federal, State and Local gun crime investigators and prosecutors, and improving gun tracing techniques and smart gun technology.
A Common Sense Definition of a Gun Show
• McCain-Lieberman eliminates the confusing definition of previous bills. It defines a gun show simply as any event where at least 75 guns are available for sale."


http://ww2.americansforgunsafety.com/the_issues_bill.asp

[BullDozer]

11. That's just BS

Do you actually have a point by posting that rubbish about the POS McCain-Lieberman bill that would have killed gunshows off completely? The death of shows would have had nothing to do with the background check either.


Here is a tip for you read the frikkin bills before you talk about them.

You know full well that if the loophole as you would describe it is what you wanted to stop then the laws are already on the books to handle it.

[MrBenchley]

12. No, that's fact

You know....fact is what RKBA posts are always lacking...

"the POS McCain-Lieberman bill that would have killed gunshows off completely? The death of shows would have had nothing to do with the background check either"
So having background checks at gun shows would kill gun shows...but background checks would not be the cause of death....ho-kay. If that's RKBA "logic," I'm glad I haven't caught a dose.

"read the frikkin bills before you talk about them."
Did that...now go snivel about it to someone who cares.

[BullDozer]

13. D.A.

If you actually read the frikkin McCain-Lieberman bill you would know that background checks for every sale were nothing compared to what else was in that bill.


So having background checks at gun shows would kill gun shows...

Please quote where I said that.

Did that... (read the McCain-Lieberman bill)
Bullshit. You are ignorant of what is in that bill.

[MrBenchley]

14. Yeah, surrrrrrrrre....

Peddle it to somebody dumb enough to buy it....

[Iluvleiberman]

15. Faster and easier background checks

Hurry up I need that 9mm NOW!

[MrBenchley]

16. Just the opposite

no reason not to have a waiting period....

[Iluvleiberman]

17. CA has a waiting period and

lotsa gun crime.

[MrBenchley]

23. So what?

It's still a good law...and one a majority of Americans want.

[CO Liberal]

18. The Law That Hasn't Been Written Yet

Our mission, should we choose to accept it, is to write that law.

:-)

[Man_in_the_Moon]

20. PLease

Write it.

[Spentastic]

21. What? A law to prevent this one?

O.K I ban firemen, trucks,guns,drugs,roads,cops, finding God and getting pissed off at life.

Easy

[CO Liberal]

22. I Can't

I'm a technical writer by trade, but I know nothing about codifying the law. What I DO know is this - we can't simply throw up our hands and say there's nothing to be done.......

[jody]

30. CO I know how to write laws but I need a starting point. Please sketch

out your idea and we can collaborate on polishing it up.

In substance, what would the "new law" say?

[Spentastic]

19. I don't know?

There may have been many points at which this course of action could have been averted.

Where did he get the gun?

Where did he get the morphine?

[iverglas]

26. well, here's my question

What law has ever prevented people who break that law from breaking that law?

"What gun law would have prevented this tragedy?"

Does no one see what a very, very silly question this is?

Some laws probably do deter some people from breaking some laws.

Some laws probably do make it harder for some people to break some laws.

But if laws "prevent" tragedies (etc.), why are there still so many tragedies (etc.)??

So why would the standard of preventing this particular tragedy be the standard against which any particular law would or should be measured??

The law against driving while intoxicated doesn't PREVENT people from driving while intoxicated. People drive while intoxicated all the damned time. Shall we now repeal it?

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[CO Liberal]

27. And Bank Robbery Has Been a Federal Offense Since the 1930s

Yet banks still get robbed. Gues it's time to get rid of those law, too........

[MrBenchley]

28. Exactly so...

What bank robbery law would have prevented this?

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20030803/lo_kcra/1723525

Clearly it is time for the American Bankers Association to pressure Congress to end these laws, which only penalize law abiding people who might wish to rob banks, not criminals.