See this money making scam "gun rights groups" are pulling in Wisconsin?

[NNN0LHI]

http://www.jsonline.com/news/waukesha/112911594.html

Woman arrested for wearing gun at church settles lawsuit

Brookfield will pay her and gun-rights group $7,500

By Bruce Vielmetti of the Journal Sentinel

Jan. 4, 2011

The woman who was arrested at gunpoint after she wore her gun to a church in Brookfield and a gun-rights group have settled a lawsuit against the city and the officers who arrested her for $7,500.

An attorney for the city said police will respond in force to calls of a person with a gun, and if it turns out to be an open carry situation, that's just the cost of doing business.

"These are kind of 'gotcha' cases," said the attorney, Greg Gunta. "The courts are being used for a political stage."

Krysta Sutterfield sued the city and officers in October. She was arrested in July after attending services at Unitarian Universalist Church while wearing her holstered handgun. There was no disturbance, but after the service someone called police to inquire and they responded, stopped Sutterfield as she was driving away and arrested her.

----------------------------------

Go somewhere you don't expect to see guns, like church, and you look around and there is someone with a weapon sitting next to you so naturally someone calls the police. And then the goof ball gets a $7,500 check for for scaring the hell out of everyone? Who likes this idea?

[safeinOhio]

1. They could go for a double.

Wear a hooded sheet with gun strapped on to church.

[toddwv]

50. So what happens when

someone walks into a church. A church member calls the police. The police fail to respond and the person with the gun decides to shoot up the church?

How many millions of dollars in lawsuits would that incite?

[shadowrider]

53. It's been tried, and thwarted, at least once, by a LEGAL CCW holder

The better question is, if someone walked into a church and started shooting it up, wouldn't you want armed church members to quell the threat or would you prefer the gunman fire at will ala VT?

The church I used to go to didn't want firearms, but every Sunday, there I was, holstered under the suit. No one ever knew.

[TPaine7]

62. Read up on the law.

That lawsuit would go nowhere. Fast.

The US Supreme Court has ruled that police have no duty to protect you (assuming you are not in their custody). Any money you pay to have a lawyer tell you that will be wasted.

[YllwFvr]

78. theres nothing wrong with the cops showing up

and talking to the carrier. But to have the cops rush in guns drawn? Thats where more information from the dispatcher comes in handy.
caller: There is a lady with a gun here!

dispatch: "Gets information, place, name, etc." And what are they doing with the gun?

caller: They are sitting here with it.

Dispatch: Is it in a holster? Are they holding it or pointing it at anyone? Waving it around?

Caller: Well yeah its in a holster and they arent doing anything with it

Dispatch: Open carry is perfectly legal in the state, but we will send an officer out just in case to check them out.

^ This is the way it should be. Its legal because they dont have concealed carry in the state, they have no choice but to open carry. The attorney general has issued a statement that open carry is not a crime and people legally carrying a firearm dont meet the statutory requirements of disorderly conduct. The police on several occasions have arrested OCers anyway. Why shouldnt they get paid for being cuffed and stuffed, having there property stolen from them, and all for no reason? Its the cops knowingly violating the law here.
Maybe when they stop arresting people they know arent breaking the law they can stop paying out the nose. There is a locally famous guy down in Virginia who was arrested three times for this. The third time he was on his way back from a town council meeting where the council president told him the police had been informed they werent to hassle him anymore for OC, they know its legal. He got arrested again on his way back. Hope he buys something nice, like a Harley, with all that money coming his way.

[one-eyed fat man]

85. The Wisconsin Attorney General

issued a memorandum explaining "open carry" was legal under Wisconsin law. Are you saying that makes him Klansman?

The Open Carry Of Firearms

Under Article I, § 25 of the Wisconsin Constitution, a person has the right to openly carry a firearm for any of the purposes enumerated in that Section, subject to reasonable regulation as discussed herein. The Wisconsin Department of Justice (the Department) believes that the mere open carrying of a firearm by a person, absent additional facts and circumstances, should not result in a disorderly conduct charge from a prosecutor.]

Or do you think cops should be allowed to arrest people for things that are not against the law?

What was the lady guilty of, contempt of cop?

[hack89]

2. Sounds like cops need to educate themselves on the law. nt

[MedicalAdmin]

3. Sounds like the city attorney needs to grow a pair.

It also sounds like the church needs a sign saying "no guns please."

[hack89]

10. So the city attorney should arrest people even when their actions are legal?

how authoritarian of you.

[DrDan]

18. exactly - you never know where or when a 2nd amendment solution is called for

:sarcasm:

[MedicalAdmin]

94. I should have clarified.

That's what I get for posting on the fly with my iphone.

The city attorney should not settle on any lawsuit that would set a precident and leave the employees and budget hanging out to dry. Further, said city attorney should have a little sit down chat with the police chief and set em straight on the current interpretation of the law.

I hope this helps.

[one-eyed fat man]

86. Wisconsin law says open carry is legal

The church has the option of putting up a sign.

Office flunkies should learn to read, then their "pair" won't get kicked by the law.

[MedicalAdmin]

95. What office flunky?

Are you refering to me by any chance?

I am chief flunky in charge of lackeys, thank you very much.

[one-eyed fat man]

101. Must be a "merit" position.

Otherwise, they would be obsequious toadies.

[MedicalAdmin]

103. The toadies have Unionized. Alas they no longer frog hop upon demand

On the bright side I have managed to eliminate merit as part of my job description and I now just sit and look smug...

[shadowrider]

102. I think he's referring to the office flunkies in Wisconsin n/t

[Statistical]

4. While you may "naturally call the Police" the job of the Police is to enforce the law.

The proper response would be for the 911 dispatcher to indicate this isn't a crime.
Still even if the Police respond the proper response would be to not arrest someone as what they are doing ins't illegal.

$7,500 is light. Some people in VA have sued and won for as much as quarter million. City of Norfolk paid couple millions in damages for illegal arrests before they realized that it is cheaper for them to train the Police Officers to ..... DRUMROLL ...... uphold THE LAW.

If action X is not illegal then the Police have no right to arrest someone for action X. If you can't see the danger in Police having the ability to arrest people for "non crimes" well you aren't trying.

Two guys kissing on the street. Arrest them for the non-crime of being gay in public. Union picketing their place of employment. Arrest them for the non-crime of disrupting capitalism.

[NNN0LHI]

8. Wouldn't it just be easier for the fuck heads doing this crap to just stop doing it?

Especially since some guy shot up a Unitarian Church a few years ago in Tennessee.

This is intimidation.

Don

[Statistical]

11. The church can prohibit firearms.

There is nothing that indicates they have.

We are either a country of laws or we aren't. If Police are allowed to make judgement calls and arrest people outside the law then there is no protection under the law.

a) City or State could make carry in churches illegal
b) the church could prohibit carry on their private property

Either methods would then make said carry illegal, however the cops simply arresting people for "non-crimes" is bullshit.

Strangely for non-LEO only open carry is illegal in WI. Open carry = legal, conceal carry = felony.

[right2bfree]

15. Any public place can outlaw guns, no matter the CCW laws. Call the cops if you see suspious acts. nt

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

24. you mean private place?

Or are you suggesting that I can petition to have the sidewalks on me street outlaw guns?

[reggie the dog]

32. so can you carry guns on the street at summerfest in milwaukee

or not? if this is true then i will be driving to the ghetto of milwaukee to buy weed as opposed of going to the west side of chicago, on the west side of chicago i cant have a gun but the dealers selling me my weed can, i would feel safer going up in the hood to score if robbers saw i had a gun on me.

[Statistical]

34. Technically yes but that would not be smart.

Using firearms in the comission of a crime is a sentence modifier and a seperate charge.
IF you were to be busted purchasing drugs you would also be busted for carrying a weapon.
Likewise a burglar who is caught with a gun can't claim he is legally carrying under the law.

Legal carry means exactly that legal carry. It doesn't protect you from charges that arise from carrying firearm in the comission of a crime. Now if marijuana was legalized then you could do that.

[one-eyed fat man]

90. Don't worry, if Schumer has his way

You piss hot and you won't be allowed a gun anyway.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=361738&mesg_id=361738

[SteveM]

106. "Any public place can outlaw guns..."? You may have missed years of history...

But "public places" cannot proforma outlaw guns. And those "places" cannot do so in the face of CCW laws. Settled law.

Certainly, if you see suspicious acts, the police should be notified. But you should have a rudimentary knowledge of the law so that what you see may become less suspicious; otherwise, as taxpayers, we will be subject to more pay-outs to those whose rights were violated. In this instance, it seems the gun-wearer did not have her RKBA violated, but that she was subjected to miss-treatment by the police. If the church had posted a "no guns" sign in accordance with law, and had told this woman she could not enter the building, there would have been no problem. But none of that occurred.

[PavePusher]

49. You have conflated all gun carriers with murderous criminals.

Don't be vile.

[RSillsbee]

60. A guy tried to shoot up a Charasmatic church here in Colorado

A few years back too, Got stopped dead ( in the most literal sense of the word) by a citizen w/ a CHP.

[pipoman]

63. Holy shit...Really?

Jeez, why didn't Larry Flynt just quit publishing his magazine? Why the hell didn't Norma McCorvey just suck it up and have her baby? There is NOTHING more progressive and liberal than standing up as a matter of principal to authoritarians who have disregarded our rights...nothing.

[RSillsbee]

75. Norma McCorvey

Did have her baby. She never had an abortion.

[pipoman]

76. The point is she refused to just suck it up..

[AtheistCrusader]

65. 'some guy' wasn't a member of the church, and came in with a shotgun.

I think the Unitarians have a reason to be apprehensive about the intentions of non-members, and might have an interest in security.

[SteveM]

107. Post a "No Guns" sign. Tell the gun-bearer the policy. nt

[AtheistCrusader]

112. I don't know how else to explain this to you, but that sign is not a magic talisman.

It keeps out only the people who would use a firearm defensively.

It would also encourage and reassure a jackal with a gun intent on attacking other people.

[SteveM]

113. I completely agree...

up to and including your remarks about encouraging a jackal. My point is that the church has taken action to cover itself with regard to a guns-in-church policy. Once this is done, the person carrying can either leave (no harm done), or stay and be subject to trespass. At which point the police probably wouldn't have been in trouble.

Incidentally, the elementary school near my house has a "no guns" sign in its front lawn. It faces away from the street and toward the building -- at least some improvement.

[shadowrider]

114. True story

Many years ago, I ran into a few dollars as a result of an inheritance. Not much mind you, but enough.

Anyway, to make a short story long, my daughter and I (we were both conceal carrying and the sign on the door said no firearms allowed) walked into a furniture store (this is after my divorce and while I was furnishing my new apt.) and I selected, with her help, a bedroom set, living room set, kitchen set etc. The total came to right around $3,500.00.

As I was sitting there ready to write a check, my daughter walked up to me and said, "Dad, we gotta go, they don't want us in here". I asked why (although I already knew). She said the sign on the door said no firearms allowed.

I apologized to the salesperson and told him we had to go, store policy dictated it. We went to another store where I completed my purchase.

Apparently the salesperson voiced discontent to his management (and he missed out on a commission) because 2 weeks later when I went by the store, the sign was gone.

Don't argue, don't raise your voice. Speak with your wallet, the stores will listen.

[PavePusher]

70. Why do you consider those who exercise a Civil Right....

to be "fuck heads" attempting "intimidation"?

[one-eyed fat man]

99. You have a point

There wouldn't a been all that trouble in Birmingham if that troublemaker had just got up and gone to the back of the bus...

[MedicalAdmin]

96. True, but I have a clarification.

Officers and support personel are not supposed to make any decision as to whether or not a crime will be charged. That is for the DA.

But they do have discretion regarding arrest, however they are only able to make an arrest for a violation of a law. As we see from the payout that if they violate procedure or if procedure is wrong, then a price is paid.

The dispatchers job is just to gather info and transfer it to officers who have been dispatched to the site. Although they have some latitude a call of weapons is usually an automatic dispatch. In any weapons situation seconds count.

[Warren Stupidity]

5. Great, so from now on the police should not respond to 'person with gun'

calls. Thanks a million!

Obviously the police have much more serious issues to deal with, like arresting pot smokers.

[yourout]

6. Hey.....the second hand pot smoke might make someone......

hungry so they eat some brownies and choke on them.

The cops are only protecting Innocent bystanders.

:sarcasm:

[Statistical]

7. Responding and arresting are two different things.

She didn't sue because the Police responded. She sued because they responded, no crime was comitted, and they FALSELY ARRESTED HER ANYWAYS.

Should Police arrest people based on:
a) the law and only the law
OR
b) any other reason

???

[hack89]

9. No they should enforce the law when they arrive on the scene.

open carry is legal - we don't arrest people for following the law.

[right2bfree]

16. Open carry of guns is NOT legal if its posted at the entrance, period. NT

[DrDan]

20. really? didn't realize that.

[aikoaiko]

23. Posted signs have different legal status in different states.

In GA, they don't have any legal weight, but if asked to leave and a gun carrier refuses, they can be charged with trespassing.

[Name removed]

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[MedicalAdmin]

97. And then shot.

Just sayin'.

Personally I prefer my baseball bat and knives, but then again I enjoy close work. But going after a person carrying a gun with a baseball bat is not the brightest move from a tactical point of view. Now carrying your bat while telling them to leave is a different story.

[cleanhippie]

72. Really? Can you source that please?

Would LOVE to know where you got that idea.

[YllwFvr]

91. signs posted in my state

like that can be ignored unless guns are also banned there by law

[right2bfree]

116. Not at all . All I have to do is call the cops and you will be escorted off the premises. nt

[Hoopla Phil]

120. Or just be an adult and politely ask them to leave. Or maybe try that bat of yours. LMAO!!!

But the fact remains, some states have specific signage to be posted to have legal backing. I would suspect that such a response from the police would warrant you a good talking to about the need to have proper signage and wasting police resources.

[YllwFvr]

126. probably

you will also get a lecture since I didnt break any laws.
Ask me to leave, then if I refuse thats criminal trespass. Now ive broken the law. In your scenario, I did not.

[reggie the dog]

33. yeah, but now teenagers from illinois

can SAFELY buy their weed in the ghetto of milwaukee because they can carry a gun on them while doing it as opposed to going unarmed to the west side or south side of chicago to get their weed.

[slackmaster]

38. Responding is fine. They just shouldn't be ARRESTING people who aren't doing anything illegal.

That is the issue.

[right2bfree]

118. If you bring a gun into a farmers field marked with no trespassing signs you are unlawful..

same thing goes with firearms.

[Hoopla Phil]

121. I think you are very confused about how trespass laws are enforced.

It is the exceptional case in the extreme that a person is arrested on the spot for trespass. Most enforcement of trespass is for the officer to tell the trespasser that they are in fact trespassing and must leave at once. Failure to leave at THAT point would then result in arrest.

[PavePusher]

51. No-one said that.

They very well should respond... and observe so as to look for actual criminal action and intent.

Heck, they could even stop the person and ask a few questions. But the arrest was so out of line as to constitute a violation of Civil Rights, under both Federal and State Constitutions.

They could also train the dispatchers to ask a few questions: What is the person doing? Drinking coffee an reading a magazine? Putting groceries into their vehicle? Walking their dog? All perfectly legal sir/ma'am, please call us if they seem to be commiting an actual crime...

[MedicalAdmin]

98. No they can't.

That is not how dispatchers are supposed to operate. They are not to make judgements about how serious or not serious a threat is based on a phone call. Boots on the ground. The officer in charge on the scene is supposed to make the detirmination or pass it on to a superior officer who will then take command.

Dispatchers are not to make that detirmination. Ever. And you don't want them to.

[X_Digger]

100. Remember, this was a call to the non-emergency line.

In that case, yes, those dispatchers can and often do a lot of 'education'.

[MedicalAdmin]

104. Oh ... (hangs head in shame)

I'm off to the break room to flog myself with wet noodles.

Whoops. I had assumed a 911. Crap - back to remedial reading school for me.


Need I say - excellent point.

[X_Digger]

105. No worries.. had it been 911, I'd agree with your statement above. n/t

[PavePusher]

115. I'd agree too, but the dispatcher should still be asking the questions...

so as to pass the information to the responding officers.

Who should then continue as I outlined above.

I should have been more clear on that. Save a noodle or two for me...

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

12. Don't falsely arrest people... don't get sued. Seems loke a well functinoing system.

:shrug:

[X_Digger]

27. One would think so. n/t

[mmonk]

13. That crazy church and it's members. Why would they think someone

would go to a Unitarian Church with a gun and harm anybody?........Oh wait. That crazy church and it's members, where do they think they are? Tombstone back in the days of the old west where people checked and left their guns at the sheriff's office for keeping until they left town to pick them back up or something?

[goddess40]

29. What?

UU members have a reason to be concerned when a gun is brought to church. Not too long ago a man brought a gun to a UU service and killed and wounded some members. So who's crazy--UU members or you?

[NewMoonTherian]

68. I'm very sure his remark was tongue-in-cheek. n/t

[SteveM]

109. Unitarian Churches are okay. They just need to brush up on the law...

and so do the police.

Could you explain "...left their guns at the sheriff's office...?" Was this wide-spread? Under what circumstances? Where?

[right2bfree]

14. I see anyone but a cop carrying a gun, my cellpone is on 911 to the police. nt

[fascisthunter]

21. I agree with that

[SteveM]

111. Taxes high enough? You know, to pay for the lawsuits?

[right2bfree]

117. Lawsuits for trespasssing on my property with a gun? You will need a lawyer. nt

[Hoopla Phil]

122. Oh come on, how about you try your bat? Or just be an adult and ask the person to leave.

[reggie the dog]

35. do you live in a state where it is legal?

i know this law is bullshit, it favors people who wear tight, short shirts that are tucked in as opposed to me who wears baggy shirts that would hang too low and cover the gun making it illegal but at least i now know that if i have to go to the ghetto to get weed i will no longer go to the city of chicago where i cant legally carry a loaded gun, and instead drive from the illinois suburbs to wisconsin and carry a gun while going to score, i could already do this but gary, indiana where you can also carry guns is just too damn far, milwaukee is about just as far from where i stay when i am in the usa as the ghetto of chicago is, now i can be SAFE while going to the ghetto to get my weed and i dont need to lose time in traffic going to indiana

[YllwFvr]

79. they said san fran

so yes it is legal there

[right2bfree]

119. Nope. Its not legal unless you have a permit. You dont have one you go to jail. nt

[Hoopla Phil]

123. Is San Fran no longer in Cali??? Open carry of unloaded firearms is legal in

Cali last time I checked.

[shadowrider]

41. Your screen name certainly doesn't fit your authoritarian beliefs n/t

[PavePusher]

52. Where do you live?

Most places I live or travel, you'll get laughed at unless someone is actually commiting a crime.

[YllwFvr]

80. there is nothing wrong with dialing 911

just dont expect much beyond a "12031 check" to see if the gun is loaded, which is illegal in your state last I checked.

[SteveM]

110. I think you are spoiling for a confrontation...

Please don't call 911 when you see hunters in the field, or when they are following the law.

You really seem to have a nut-hustling thing going on here.

[quaker bill]

17. Great advice here

Quakers generally do not own or carry. Given this, it might be well advised to post our private property accordingly, as while all are welcome, I am pretty sure none are welcome to carry, open or concealed.

[aikoaiko]

19. The police can investigate without arresting people.

Also, churches can ask people to not carry or to leave if they do.

Its really that simple and I don't see a scam here. The police were not required to arrest.

[old mark]

22. The lawyers are the ones who make the money on this. Here in PA,

it has been legal to carry a handgun-or any gun-openly ever since the 1930's, with no license required. Yet when people do that, police are sometimes called, and people are sometimes arrested. Then the police get sued.

I am just amazed that people who call themselves liberals support arresting citizens for exercising their legal rights-How about someone being arrested for free speach or having an abortion?

Of course gun owners seem to be considered evil and criminals in the making...

mark

[reggie the dog]

37. is there an online guide to states where i can carry openly

with no special permit? what about in national forest land?

[X_Digger]

39. Try opencarry.org..

http://opencarry.org/opencarry.html

[Statistical]

44. National forest & parks follow rules of the state they are located in. n/t

[PavePusher]

54. Here:

http://www.handgunlaw.us/

[RSillsbee]

61. Try handgunlawusa.com or USAcarry.com NT

[TreasonousBastard]

25. Aside from wanting to make some huge obnoxious point, I can't imagine why...

anyone should carry in church, especially a UU church.

Several years ago the UUs declared themselves to be a Peace Church, and if this woman is a member she should know that carrying a gun would not be appreciated any more than at at a Quaker meeting.

If she's not a member, what prompted her to drop in armed?

(And then she gets paid for her trouble?)

[PavePusher]

55. Self-defense? Beacause no-one ever attacks churches, amiright? n/t

[X_Digger]

28. So cops should be able to arrest someone who has not violated the law?

*checks address bar*- yup, still posting at DU. Funny, I thought Equal Protection was a liberal thing. I certainly do.

nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

[DonP]

67. In the fine tradition of Bull Connor, sure, ntxt

[reggie the dog]

30. So if i understand correctly

as soon as i get into kenosha county i can wear a gun on my hip? i can just walk around downtown milwaukee with a gun in plain view? if this is true and people walk around everywhere with their guns legally why would someone call the cops? Is it like this in illinois too or do i have to cross the state line before i walk around with a gun in plain view?

[Statistical]

31. Carry laws (both concealed and open) vary by state.

IL prohibits both forms of carry.

State laws vary SIGNIFICANTLY from state to state. Many states have reciprocity agreements with other states. For example my CCW in VA also allows me to conceal carry in 18 other states (last time I checked). Likewise VA allows visitors from those 18 states to carry in VA (assuming they are licensed in that state).

VA licenses CCW but open carry is legal without a license (and always has been since before the creation of the United States).

[PavePusher]

56. Info here:

http://www.handgunlaw.us/

http://www.opencarry.org/maps.html

[slackmaster]

36. Unlawful arrest is unlawful. CA state law provides a workable way for cops to deal with open carrry

The law permits police to detain a person who is carrying a firearm openly, and to inspect the weapon to ensure that it is unloaded or that the person has a permit to carry it loaded.

The law specifically prohibits police from taking someone into custody for lawfully carrying a firearm openly.

This story isn't about a money-making scam by gun rights groups. It's about activist police making up their own version of the law.

[reggie the dog]

40. no crime, no arrest

if the law permits carrying a gun in the place then if people dont like it they need to petition to change the law, not bust people who are FOLLOWING the law, it is really that simple about any issue. Morally i cannot fathom why someone would take a gun to such a church, i imagine many people there, most of whom do not even own guns, would be shocked and intimidated perhaps, so that would make this woman IMMORAL in my opinion, but not criminal. if the church can change the situation by posting "leave your weapons outside" then they need to do so if they want to avoid this in the future. a cop could perhaps be able to stop a person and talk to them legally about their motives but if the person didnt want to talk then the police really cant do anything about it.

[shadowrider]

42. What MANY are missing is this

Our member who has been a victim of violent crime in the past openly carries a sidearm for personal protection as Wisconsin law allows. On July 4th she was attending church services in Brookfield, WI. After the service, a church member called the non-emergency number of the Brookfield Police Department to inquire as to the legality of open-carry. Brookfield Police responded to the call by sending several officers/squads to the church. On the way to the church the officers were made aware by the dispatcher that our member was not being threatening or creating a disturbance. As our member was leaving the parking lot in her vehicle. A Brookfield Police officer waved her down drew his weapon and ordered her out of her car at gunpoint.

http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2010/10/robert-farago/wisconsin-carry-sues-brookfield-over-arrested-church-goer/

[Hoopla Phil]

45. Thanks for the additional information. The cops are corrupt and need to

be prosecuted for willful denial of civil rights.

[Statistical]

46. Thanks for the extra info.

Even as reported in the original story the cops were wrong. False arrest = false arrest.

The expanded version shows how completely wrong the cops were.

"After the service, a church member called the non-emergency number of the Brookfield Police Department to inquire as to the legality of open-carry."

So someone in the church was obviously not terrified (they waited till service was over and then called non emergency number to ask a question). They simply were unsure of the law so turned to the people who *SHOULD* know the law. The cops then respond, guns draw, and falsely arrest her.

Only bad side of this story is she only got $7,500, she likely could have gotten 10x to 50x as much.

[shadowrider]

47. Eye is here to serve n/t

[Katya Mullethov]

59. THIS....... is how it's supposed to go down

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFzH5Oe-YL4
Courteous , professional .
But we cant all be so lucky as to draw a fellow marine , or be one too for that matter .

[YllwFvr]

81. ive seen a LOT of OC encounters

on Youtube, and that has got to be the coolest one ive ever seen. I wish I lived closer, Id buy that officer a beer, he deserves a cold and frosty one!

The carrier was a bit stubborn, and he has the right to be, and the officer took it all in stride, what a great cop. God Bless America is right, god I love that guy!

[Katya Mullethov]

89. Then you went looking as well

Well then , what is your number two candidate for most professional cop ? And not the glock foaty most professional one here kind .

[Hoopla Phil]

43. I'm recommending this thread. Hopefully more people will be exposed to

the corruption going on in that police department and the potential expense to the tax payers there.

That is just awful on the part of the police. Since there is an institutional and willful denial of civil right going on I wonder if we will see federal prosecution.

[PavePusher]

48. By George, you've got it!

The "authorities" should be able to violate your Civil Rights whenever they feel like it, without threat of penalties!

That'll fix everything!

[Katya Mullethov]

66. The message is pretty clear , dont try it or you might just get hurt

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An attorney for the city said police will respond in force to calls of a person with a gun, and if it turns out to be an open carry situation, that's just the cost of doing business.
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The message is pretty clear , dont try it or you might just get hurt ,roughed up , cuffed , stuffed , embarrassed , detained , searched and or just generally fucked with . It may be the law ... and all that happy horseshit , but if that is the game you wanna play , that is the cost of doing business .

If I were living in his berg , it would be loud and clear . I would wave my little journalist journal in the air , way on up there ....until he was trapped in my baby blues and ask if LEOs have to pay for their carry permits .

For those in considerably colder climates that may not be accustomed , here is an interaction with a professional member of law enforcement http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=362356&mesg_id=362542 .

I cant find many videos of cops not being elitist pricks on fishing expeditions , but I think it's entertaining as hell .

[YllwFvr]

82. they used to do that here too

after several dozen lawsuits the state issued statewide training updates EVERY year informing officers OC is legal and how to interact with someone openly carrying. Millions lost for local townships. If people are stubborn about there rights, the police will not win.

[Katya Mullethov]

87. And if we keep on being stubborn

We will win them all back .

Two other somebodies were all butt hurt in two others threads since , "we", lost the drug war and a prohibitionary police state was already the status quo . So basically , we should
A just all curl up in a fetal position and let it be
B Fuck everybody just as hard as pot smokers have been and violate the constitution at every turn .

I lolled .

Their day is comin', but I doubt it will be by their own hand .

[friendly_iconoclast]

57. There's an easy way to stop this- Quit making *false arrests* and you don't have to pay

Simple, no?

[lawodevolution]

58. soon the city will run out of money and they will stop sending people to arrest people who are not

breaking the law. This is how anti-gun mayors need to learn about rights. If you don't like your mayor thorwing away money, call city hall and tell them to stop arresting people who are open carrying, because people who open carry aren't the ones who will rop or mug someone.

[pipoman]

64. They "settled the lawsuit"

meaning their insurance companies decided it was worth $7500 not to try to defend against this suit. I would bet if this does happen again it will not be settled by the petitioner. This should be a wake up call, the next offense should be very expensive.

[one-eyed fat man]

69. The Wisconsin AG said open carry was legal

Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen's finding that people can carry guns openly if they do it peacefully.

So people are doing exactly what the state AG has said was legal and are getting arrested. Getting arrested for something that is not against the law is like winning the lottery.

So should the city have a class for its police officers on what the law is or should they just shell out money settling false arrest lawsuits?

They could be obtuse like the Milwaukee Chief of Police and say, "Fuck the law.

[cleanhippie]

71. Did NOT "scare the hell out of everyone", only scared ONE, irrational person.

Very, very big difference from what you posted and what actually happened.

[Tejas]

73. ONE, irrational person (found him!)

[cleanhippie]

74. I assume you mean the OP.

[Tejas]

84. Nope, the busybody that

the busybody that OMFG'ed to the police. I looked all over Mayberry for that noseyrosey lady that loved gossip but couldn't recall her name. :)

[Katya Mullethov]

88. Clara Edwards

[Hoopla Phil]

124. Played by Hope Summers.

The character actually had three different names - the show was not very consistent in keeping her name the same.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clara_Edwards

[cleanhippie]

93. Yes, busybody indeed.

[YllwFvr]

83. obviously they werent that scared

it said they called the nonemergency number and simply asked if it was legal.

[cleanhippie]

92. Youa re right. I guess the only one really scared was the OP.

[beevul]

77. Lawsuits for false arrest...

Lawsuits for false arrest by law enforcement can only be enabled by law enforcement.

If you object, I suggest you contact the enabling parties in WI law enforcement and demand they put a stop to it immediately.

[NewMoonTherian]

108. Profit from the stupidity and arrogance of law enforcement.

It's a bottomless gold mine!

[Atypical Liberal]

125. I just don't understand Open Carry.

Open carry just causes far more problems than it solves. I have no problem with concealed carry, and I support it fully. But all open carry does is frighten and upset the ignorant, and shows your cards to anyone who would do you harm. The only advantage it conveys is that you can probably access the firearm more quickly in the unlikely case you need it, and it might deter some people from attacking you.

Concealed carry is the way to go. Open carry is just a headache.