GUNS IN THE NEWS--January 29, 2004

[MrBenchley]

As CO Liberal sez:
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[MrBenchley]

1. Wichita's bluesmen mourn slaying of one of their own

"Thomas "Gene" Metcalf sang the blues, played the blues and died a blues man on his 80th birthday.
He drove a Lincoln Town Car with "MR BLUES" on the vanity plate.
But the man once imprisoned for shooting someone became a shooting victim himself. During an apparent robbery, three men came into his home in the 2100 block of North Erie around 7 p.m. on Thursday and left him with at least three gunshot wounds. He died Saturday."

http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/local/7813583.htm

[papau]

2. Boston awakes to story of road rage & a bullet to the head/car crash

fellow says he always loads his gun as he comes to Boston and somehow it went off as he was loading it and as it was pointed out his window at other drivers head.

Winds 40 mph gusts w temp at 18.

I don't think the jury will buy the defense.

Driver arrested as gun was owned by driver but no license.

[MrBenchley]

4. Link...

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040129/lo_WCVB/1979303

[MrBenchley]

3. Man arrested in woman's slaying (WA)

"WHITE CENTER -- A woman found dead at a home near White Center died from a gunshot wound to her head.
Mandy L. Russell, 25, of Seattle was found late Sunday at a home in the 10200 block of Third Avenue Southwest shortly before 10:30 p.m.
King County sheriff's deputies later arrested the 47-year-old man who lived at the house. He called 911 to report the shooting."

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/158342_whitecenter28.html

[MrBenchley]

5. Police: Two Dead In Triple Shooting Near Car Wash

"Detroit police rushed to the scene of a triple shooting near a car wash on Detroit's west side Wednesday night.
Two people were killed in the gunfire that rang out around 8 p.m. at Hall's Hand Car Wash in the 2200 block of Puritan, according to Local 4 reports.
A third person staggered out of a back door and fell in the snow, bleeding, police say. He was allegedly in critical condition at Henry Ford Hospital.
Police say someone entered the business and opened fire an hour before the car wash was scheduled to close. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040129/lo_wdiv/1979678

[CO Liberal]

6. CPD Deploys New Gun Teams (Chicago)

Some may call them "guns that support drug and gang activity" - others may refer to them as "defensive gun uses". :eyes: - Wayne

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CPD Deploys New Gun Teams
Tactical Officers In Search Of Gang Guns

POSTED: 6:39 AM CST January 29, 2004
UPDATED: 8:36 AM CST January 29, 2004

CHICAGO -- Police Superintendent Phil Cline praised a newly formed gun unit Wednesday for its part in arresting two men and seizing four weapons and drugs in a south side home.

Police arrested the two men at a home in the 6200 block of South Cottage Grove Avenue where they seized more than half a kilo of crack cocaine with a street value of $75,000, the four guns and $4,000 in cash.

After gathering information, the Gun Unit obtained a search warrant and went to the home, police News Affairs Officer Alice Casanova said earlier.

Cline said the city is now sending teams of its best tactical officers to the far south side to root out guns that support drug and gang activity.

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http://www.nbc5.com/news/2802032/detail.html

[MrBenchley]

7. Sounds like

responsible gun owners defending themselves against jackbooted tyranny....NOT.

[MrBenchley]

9. By the way

didn't the people of Chicago realize that the answer is not a gun unit, but pistol permits and assault weapons for everybody? Shootoouts on every street corner will make the city much safer, according to the RKBA crowd.

[CO Liberal]

8. Police: Children should be aware of gun dangers (IN)

And it can be done without that damn "Eddie Eagle" program. - Wayne

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Police: Children should be aware of gun dangers

BLOOMINGTON -- Children should be made aware of the inherent dangers and legal consequences of handling guns even if there are none in their household, Bloomington police say.

The warning comes in the wake of Monday's incident in which authorities said a Sheridan Elementary student accidentally fired a .22-caliber pistol on a bus after school. No injuries or damage was reported.

"If you look at the potential of what happened Monday, we're very fortunate nobody was injured," said Mark Ashmore, Drug Abuse Resistance Education officer for Bloomington police. DARE officers teach gun awareness as part of their classroom instruction.

"We also encourage parents to talk to their child about gun safety," said Ashmore. "We encourage the use of trigger locks on guns, but that does not prevent a child from having access to a gun. Parents need to keep them in the safest place possible."

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http://www.pantagraph.com/stories/012904/new_20040129019.shtml

[MrSandman]

10. "No injuries or damage was reported."

Where did the bullet go?

[CO Liberal]

13. Good Question

Possibly out an open window???

[MrSandman]

19. Didn't think of that.

But what are those odds? Given the area of windows to the area of the bus, that almost needs aimed.

"Bet yua can't hit that tree"
BANG out the window.
"No , sir it just went off by itself."

ed for spelling...s

[slackmaster]

46. Gun safety should be taught in public schools

Improperly secured or carelessly handled guns are an environmental hazard just like sexually transmitted diseases, bad drivers, and dangerous drugs.

[MrBenchley]

11. MINNEAPOLIS: Target in Tyesha's shooting is slain

"This time the shooter didn't miss his intended target, 18-year-old Timothy Oliver.
The Minneapolis teen and admitted gang member died early Wednesday after he was shot in the middle of a south Minneapolis street.
His death comes more than a year after he found himself in a rival gang member's fire. Then, the bullets missed the youth but pierced the walls of a nearby home, killing 11-year-old Tyesha Edwards as she was studying in the dining room."

http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/news/local/7820290.htm

[CO Liberal]

12. Heated game of Taboo ends with guns drawn (AK)

MOre "law-abiding gun owners" we don't have to worry about - NOT! - Wayne

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Heated game of Taboo ends with guns drawn

Associated Press
Jan. 29, 2004 07:05 AM

CONWAY, Ark. - The party game wasn't the only thing taboo. Three men were arrested on felony charges after a game of Taboo went awry at a Conway home.

Officers were called to the home Sunday after two men threatened others with guns because they were losing the game, in which one teammate gives clues about certain subject matter, but using certain words is taboo.

One of the people in the apartment told police the men were yelling and cussing and threatened them with handguns.

Officers searched a car at the scene for weapons and found hypodermic needles and drug paraphernalia.

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http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0129GameAnger29-ON.html

[MrBenchley]

14. Thank Holy Koresh it wasn't Yahtzee they were playing!

Another glimpse into the lifestyle of gun owners....

[Wonk]

53. After a Trivial Pursuit they're off to the Poker for their Risk y actions.

Their defense in court will be "We didn't have a Clue, Sorry! It's not like we have a Monopoly on this kind of Life style. Our Chutes and Ladders might need an Operation after the Twister we'll get if we have to do anything more than a Patch In Co unty jail.".

I hope all the gungeon comedians found this post up to Par, Cheesy as it is. :+

[MrSandman]

15. Hope they find the guns...

and throw the book at them. The gun wielders will probably do less time combined than the one with the drug paraphenalia.

[pnb]

36. Who said they are "law-abiding"?

MOre "law-abiding gun owners" we don't have to worry about - NOT! - Wayne



Perhaps these are the types of people we need protection FROM.

[MrBenchley]

16. School Locked Down After Gun Sighted By Teacher (CA)

"A Sacramento school was put into lockdown mode Wednesday after a teacher spotted a student with a gun, according to authorities.
Students from Hiram Johnson High School were held inside classrooms for more than an hour Wednesday afternoon after a teacher saw a male student holding a gun while standing over a female student, officials said.
Authorities said they believe the student who allegedly had the weapon may have handed it off to another student, who took it off campus. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040129/lo_kcra/1979643

[MrBenchley]

17. Iowa Teen Is Sought in Two Gun Deaths

"JOHNSTON, Iowa - Authorities launched a nationwide search Wednesday for a 16-year-old boy considered armed and dangerous after two people were found shot to death in his house.
Tyler Pirtle was sought for questioning after the bodies of Sarah Dahlke, 21, and Greg Gaul, 41, were found Tuesday in his home in this affluent Des Moines suburb.
Dahlke was looking after the boy and house-sitting while Pirtle's father was on vacation. Gaul's relation to Dahlke and the teen was not known. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040128/ap_on_re_us/bodies_found_3

[txdm]

18. reading the guns in the news

everyday changed my stance on the gun issue, and I am ready to turn in all my weapons.

[CO Liberal]

20. Some People Seem To Think.....

...that by constantly posting lies and drivel from wacko pro-gun sites (and quoting known liars like Ted Nugent and John Lott/Mary Rosh), those of us who favor gun control will decide to rush out and buy every gun we can get our hands on.

NOT!!!!

[txdm]

21. Some people seem to think

that constantly posting anti-gun drivel from people that want to preserve all human rights except the rights they don't agree with, is going to make gun owners decide to rush out and throw their guns in the ocean.

[CO Liberal]

22. What's Posted on These News Threads Ain't Drivel

It's facts about the pain and sufferring people inflict on our society thanks to easy access to guns.

[txdm]

23. people committing crimes

passing more laws will not keep people from committing crimes(obviously). Last time I checked murder was against the law no matter how it is committed.

[CO Liberal]

27. So...

...since people are still gonna kill people, we maight as well do away with all the laws prohibiting it.

That's the same "logic" I hear from the pro-gun side - since people are still gonna use guns, we don't need more gun laws.

Excuse me while I barf. :puke:

[txdm]

28. no the logic you hear from the pro gun side

is enforce the laws in place and hold people responsible for their actions. Come back to the real world where we already know that more laws won't deter CRIMINALS from breaking the law.




Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws only affect the law-abiding citizens

[MrBenchley]

29. RKBA "logic" or whatever it is

So do bank robbery laws...mysteriously, they don't STOP criminals from robbing banks. But somehow I doubt you'll see the American Bankers Association pushing to get rid of the laws against bank robbery anytime soon.

[txdm]

31. I know this has been done to death

but bank robbery laws and such provide penalties for committing the act of robbing a bank. Anti gun laws would be in place in hopes to prevent the misuse of the gun.

[MrBenchley]

33. Too frigging funny.

Are you telling us gun control laws have no penalty? (Remember there's a thread right now pissing and moaning about whether the guy who broke the handgun ban law in Illinois ought to be punished at all....guess which side is saying that a criminal violation ought to be overlooked?)

[811dm]

37. no gun laws have a penalty

but they are in place in the hopes of preventing crime.

[MrBenchley]

40. Hahahahahahahaha....

[MrBenchley]

24. AS I said

the RKBA crowd doesn't mind that Americans are terrorized, wounded and killed by guns every day...what enrages them is that in this thread Americans aren't terroized, wounded and killed by guns every day in silence.

[txdm]

30. what you should have said

was Americans are terrorized, wounded and killed by people breaking the LAW. If you are so concerned about Americans being terrorized post all the violent crimes not just ones involving a certain device criminals use to commit these crimes

[MrBenchley]

32. It's amazing

that the RKBA crowd wants to bleat on the one hand about how much they and only they love freedom while simultaneously bitching loudly that people get to say what they want to say in an open forum.

How many times have RKBA folks demanded this daily thread be shut down?

[CO Liberal]

34. That's Easy

How many times have RKBA folks demanded this daily thread be shut down?

Every time the truth hits too close to home...

[MrBenchley]

35. VBG (nt)

[811dm]

39. I would never demand you shut down

the thread, but I would like you to realize it does nothing to sway someone to give up their arms.

[811dm]

38. speak out for human rights

except the one you don't like.

As I do not agree with what you are saying I will fight to the death for your right to say it

[MrBenchley]

41. Too frigging funny...

"As I do not agree with what you are saying I will fight to the death for your right to say it"
I smell a showdown in the street a brewin'....get the kids off the street and shut down the livery, the Waco Kid's in town...

[MrBenchley]

25. And the downside is....

[MrBenchley]

26. No death penalty in Burkheimer case (WA)

"EVERETT — Snohomish County Prosecutor Janice Ellis said yesterday she will not seek the death penalty against two men accused of killing Rachel Burkheimer in September 2002.
Ellis said that even though she believes John Anderson, 21, shot and killed the 18-year-old Marysville woman, she doubts a jury would send him to death row on the charge of aggravated first-degree murder. She expects Anderson's lawyers would tell jurors during the trial about neglect and violence he endured as a child, which would "give them reason to give him mercy," she said. "

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2001846274_burkheimer29m.html

[MrBenchley]

42. Bellevue police shoot man at pharmacy (WA)

"A Bellevue police officer shot an armed-robbery suspect in a Kirkland drug store yesterday after the man led police on a low-speed chase through Redmond and ran inside the store brandishing a handgun.
The man, a 49-year-old Kirkland resident, was struck at least once in the upper body and taken to Harborview Medical Center in Seattle, where he underwent surgery, said Bellevue police Officer Michael Chiu. Police did not release the man's name.
His condition was unknown last night.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2001846292_shooting29e.html

<sarcasm>Another armed citizen attempts to defend himself against tyranny. If only he'd had an assault weapon instead of a puny handgun!</sarcasm>

[MrBenchley]

43. Police: 14-Year-Old Shooting Death May Be Accidental (NC)

"Greensboro police said the person who shot and killed 14-year-old Isaiah Mccallum Tuesday was a 14-year-old friend of the victim.
Mccallum was shot in the head with a small pistol. He died at Moses Cone Hospital. Capt. Gary Hastings said he is not sure whether the shooting was accidental or intentional. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040129/lo_wxii/1980394

[MrBenchley]

44. Triple Shooting Appears To Be Murders, Suicide, Police Say (FL)

"Police say Reinaldo Castro-Palomino, 37, shot an unidentified woman and man who were inside a Mercedes SUV before turning the gun on himself. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040129/lo_wplg/1980266

[MrBenchley]

45. Testimony recounts hour of fear (PA)

"At first, Nancy Magan thought it was her mother who came in through the front door of her Allentown home one morning in December 2000.
Instead, when she went downstairs to look, she found a bleeding man with a gun who then held her and her family hostage. For much of the hourlong ordeal, the man had his arm around Magan's neck and a gun to her side, as she clutched her 6-month-old daughter. ''If everything goes OK, you'll be all right,'' he told her."

http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-b3_5morales-2jan29,0,342694.story?coll=all-newslocal-hed

[MrBenchley]

47. Dutch Lawyers: Suspected River Oaks Killer Cannot Be Extradited

"An American millionaire sought by a U.S. federal grand jury for allegedly taking out a contract to kill his wife cannot be extradited for murder because he already has been acquitted by a U.S. state court, Dutch defense lawyers and prosecutors agreed Tuesday.
Robert Angleton could be extradited, however, on new charges of tax fraud and possession of firearms, but not to face double jeopardy for the murder charges, a Dutch prosecutor told the Haarlem District Court.
Angleton's federal indictment accuses him of murder-for-hire, conspiracy to commit murder, four counts of tax fraud and possession of an illegal firearm with the intent to commit a violent act, District Attorney Nicole Vogelzang told Dutch judges hearing Angleton's case. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=320&ncid=320&e=6&u=/ibsys/20040129/lo_kprc/1978248

You might recall that pro-gun freedom loving John AshKKKroft set the record for holding a journalist in jail in connection with this case.

[MrBenchley]

48. Police Search For 'Dangerous' Man Who Eluded SWAT Team

"Police were called to a house on Spring Glenn Road around 5 p.m. after they said Ehlan McCracken, 26, pointed a gun at a woman who was waiting in his driveway while her husband went in to pick up their child from the day-care center next door.
The woman said the man came out of the house, gave her a rude hand gesture, which she returned. She told police he then retreived a gun from the house and pointed it at her.
The neighborhood was evacuated while police surrounded the home. McCracken's mother told officers that he was diagnosed with schizophrenia when he was young, and he takes medication for it. She refused to let police into the house, saying that McCracken reacts poorly to people he doesn't know, and might hurt them.
When police stormed the house about 1 a.m., McCracken was gone. But inside the man's bedroom, they found an AK-47 assault-style rifle, a 9mm handgun, more than 5,000 rounds of ammunition, brass knuckles and a survival knife.
Parents who use the All Faith Daycare Center were shocked to learn that a man with guns lived next door, and is now on the run from police. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=422&ncid=422&e=2&u=/ibsys/20040129/lo_wjxt/1980433

[MrBenchley]

49. Man Critical After Shooting On Detroit's East Side

"A man is reportedly in critical condition after a shooting on Detroit's east side around 11:30 a.m. Thursday.
The victim was shot in the head along Caldwell Street, according to police. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040129/lo_wdiv/1980977

[MrBenchley]

50. Local Rapper Faces Attempted First-Degree Murder Charges (LA)

"A New Orleans rapper faced charges Wednesday, accused of shooting two deputies in Memphis, Tenn.
Detectives said the former Cash Money rapper opened fire Monday on deputies while they were searching an apartment for drugs. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=378&ncid=378&e=5&u=/ibsys/20040128/lo_wdsu/1978987

[MrBenchley]

51. H.S. Basketball Star Arrested For Murder (NM)

"A former Alamogordo High School basketball star was under arrest in Georgia Wednesday, charged with first-degree murder back in New Mexico.
Jerome Holly -- better known as Lenny Holly -- is accused of killing Kenneth Douglas and shooting Jason Carrell three times at a place called the Atrium Sept. 15. Deputies found Douglas' body in the remote desert outside Alamogordo. He had been shot in the head and stuffed in the trunk of a car.
Carrell survived the shooting and managed to call 911. Otero County District Attorney Scot Key said Holly is the only suspect. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=375&ncid=375&e=3&u=/ibsys/20040129/lo_koat/1979589

[CO Liberal]

52. He Was Hoping for a Free Shot From The Foul Line

:-)

[MrBenchley]

54. (winces) LOL!