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shadowrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 08:31 AM
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Student sues University of Idaho over firearms ban
A University of Idaho law student is suing the school over its firearms ban, saying the policy violates his Second Amendment and Fourteenth Amendment rights.

Second-year law student Aaron Tribble, 36, filed a civil suit last Tuesday, challenging a policy that doesn’t allow him to store a registered handgun in his university-owned apartment.

The policy requires all firearms be stored at a campus police substation. The University of Idaho declined to comment.

Tribble, who lives in campus housing designated for students who are married or have children, will represent himself in the suit. A hearing for the case has been set for July 20.

http://dailycaller.com/2011/01/28/student-sues-university-of-idaho-over-firearms-ban/
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 08:45 AM
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1. Why the hell are you posting from Tucker Carlson's web site?
n/t
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shadowrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 08:46 AM
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2. Is the information in the article true or not? n/t
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 08:05 PM
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11. The article is all over the net ...
for example:

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/01/idaho_law_student_sues_university_over_firearms.html

I fail to see why you disagree with the link to Tucker Carlson's web site. We are not debating Tucker Carlson but guns on campus.

Personally I happen to believe that if a person has a concealed carry permit, he should be able to carry on campus. In this case as the student lives in campus housing designated for students who are married or have children, he should be able to store his weapon in his apartment. I am not sure that Tribble has a concealed carry license, but if he were a student living in an apartment off campus, he could have a firearm in his residence.

It's fairly obvious that if a person with a severe mental disorder wants to shoot up a college campus, a law that says he can't carry a firearm on the campus will not deter him in the least. In fact, he may decide to attempt his act on the campus realizing that he can rack up a high score before he is stopped. To such a person a "no guns" sign means a shooting gallery.
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 10:08 AM
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3. Good Lord, Tribble, try to learn something worthwhile while in school.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 06:18 AM
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4. I heard people said the same thing about Thurgood Marshall
Taking on the establishment over unfairness and infringement of liberties and denial of rights is a good thing
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 01:25 PM
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7. Marshall's fight was more important/tougher than Tribble's whining BS.
Edited on Sat Feb-05-11 01:27 PM by Hoyt
Suing to carry where people don't want guns is not comparable to lynchings/beatings, being denied entry to universities, minorities need not apply signs, segregated schools and bathrooms, etc.

For you to imply otherwise is insulting, but common here.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 06:36 PM
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8. I for one am not willing to place some rights ahead of others
Nor am I willing to support racist and classist legislation like the anti rights people do so easily.

If you find that kind of equal treatment insulting, then be insulted
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 08:45 PM
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12. Sorry, the right to carry (which is a choice) is not the same as victim of racism, etc.

That distorted gun rights philosophy may work with T-bag gun carriers, but not me.
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 09:40 PM
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17. Are you seriously calling
everyone here that wants to carry, a tea-bagger?
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 09:43 PM
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18. Well, he didn't have any luck with hyperbole, cum hoc ergo propter hoc, straw men, or red herrings..
So why not try out stereotyping, association fallacies, and projection.

I'm sure he'll settle on a chosen tactic soon enough.
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 09:37 PM
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16. Suing to carry
where people/YOU don't want guns...
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 01:22 PM
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6. Looks like he has...
The Constitution of the United States, and the Constitution of Idaho.

http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/idstat/IC/Title003.htm

Article 1, Section 11, in case you have trouble with it.
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 08:47 PM
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13. The Constitution may or may not allow carrying anywhere, but you don't have to.

Tribble is a fool -- likely a young republicon. He needs to give it up, campus is not the place to carry.
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 09:16 PM
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14. Relax, it could be worse-he could be carrying in Chuck E. Cheese!
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 09:19 PM
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15. I'm sure he is like you guys, Can't go anywhere without the "comfort" of cold steel.
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 11:55 PM
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20. The multitool I carry is quite a comfort. I've subdued many a package and Phillips screw with it.
Edited on Sat Feb-05-11 11:56 PM by friendly_iconoclast
I've even used it to protect myself from the danger of ragged fingernails when stuck in traffic jams. Yeah, it's got an assault

file
, what of it?


It's the right of every American to keep and bear pocketable tools. You'll only get mine away from me by prying it from

my well-manicured dead hands. MOLON LABE!


-2 to you for your cheap stereotyping of fellow DUers and mindless bigotry. A hack screenwriter could have done a better job of it.
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high_and_mighty Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 03:09 AM
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22. Why are the comments talking about concealed carry?
This is about keeping a handgun stored in his university owned apartment. The article specifically mentions he is not suing about concealed carry on campus.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 10:16 PM
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19. And once again, you won't provide any help....
if trouble befalls him, will you?

Feeling sufficiently holier-than-thou yet? Still obssesing over appearences?
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RSillsbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 02:19 AM
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21. Perhaps Mcdonald's ?
Edited on Sun Feb-06-11 02:21 AM by RSillsbee
"What would you do if you walked into a downtown McDonald's and were confronted with a group of men carrying guns? If you are like most of us, you would probably flee for your life and then immediately call the cops."
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 12:58 PM
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23. I missed the part in the suit about "carrying anywhere". The part I read
was about keeping a firearm in a persons home.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 04:43 PM
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RSillsbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 10:15 AM
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5. Since when does Idaho require guns to be registered? NT
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oneshooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 06:53 PM
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9. Perhaps it is the school that requires registration? n/t
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RSillsbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 07:00 PM
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10. I wouldn't register my gun w/ the government
Why in the hell would I register it w/ the school (rhetorical question)
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-11 04:56 PM
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25. The University of Idaho will win this lawsuit because the U of I is a land grant college.
Edited on Mon Feb-07-11 04:57 PM by Major Hogwash
Their charter was formed by the state of Idaho.
Not only has there been other frivilous lawsuits filed against the U of I in the past, but the state supreme court has already decided several times in these kinds of cases that the college has the right to set their own policies.
The college doesn't allow bowie knives to be carried in to the classroom either.

And so, Tribble will lose his case.

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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-11 08:32 PM
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26. What if the policy was openly discriminatory against women or gays?
There are limits to the discretion the college has, even under a land grant charter. That said, I do not expect him to win.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-11 12:34 AM
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27. Well, I think they've dealt with those 2 issues by now, as well.
There was a separate women's college up north somewhere up by the U of I, but they merged with the U of I sometime during WWII, I think.
It might have been after the war, though.
The college's charter was amended at that time to provide for dorms for the women who lived on campus.

The college has the right to set their own policies, in accordance with state law, but they can have policies that are more retrictive in place than the law allows.

You can't run around naked in public, and you can't carry a weapon in the class room.
Back in the early 1970s when streaking was a national craze, the college strictly forbid it, and expelled some students who then sued for reinstatement.
The students lost their cases because the laws were pretty explicit already.

It's not just because the U of I is a land grant college that they have the right to set their own policies.
But, since they are a land grant college, the state is ultimately responsible for the behavior of the students and faculty at the college.
In other words, it's not just a private college.
I hope that clears it up a little for you.

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